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yvv
legendary
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October 25, 2014, 01:59:48 PM

Ya man, XRP has always been the Ultimate Dog...
You can't "invest" in it because of guaranteed premine dumping...
And you can't trade it because even after 18 months there is no significant liquidity.

What is Cryptsy thinking forming XRP "markets" with < $5,000/day in volume?
It's hard to take Cryptsy seriously when their USD trading after 4-5 months does < $10,000/day.

So Paul Vernon is sucking IRS dick... and paying 40 US employees for this?

Is this an NSA front... or the next Gox?

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/cryptocurrency-exchange-cryptsy-owner-paul-vernon-face-lawsuit/


Current 24hr trade volume in ripple is $287923.72, and 85% of it is done with XRP

http://www.ripplecharts.com

XRP are bought outside of ripple only by those who want to fund new accounts.
legendary
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And you can't trade it because even after 18 months there is no significant liquidity.
Most XRP are traded on Ripple, not outside of it. I don't know what you'd call "significant" though.
legendary
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Jack Ma (Alibaba) gave an interview a few months back and said he was investing in cryptos, but not bitcoin specifically. he said this around the same time as the announcement that some major banks would work with XRP. coincidence?Huh

You mean like the last time when they announce that they would work with a bank and while the price would go up, one of the XRP member dropped the premine on them ?
I don't see why we even talking about XRP its a centralized Money and not even a cryptocurrency.

Ya man, XRP has always been the Ultimate Dog...
You can't "invest" in it because of guaranteed premine dumping...
And you can't trade it because even after 18 months there is no significant liquidity.

What is Cryptsy thinking forming XRP "markets" with < $5,000/day in volume?
It's hard to take Cryptsy seriously when their USD trading after 4-5 months does < $10,000/day.

So Paul Vernon is sucking IRS dick... and paying 40 US employees for this?

Is this an NSA front... or the next Gox?

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/cryptocurrency-exchange-cryptsy-owner-paul-vernon-face-lawsuit/



legendary
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Ad maiora!
Jack Ma (Alibaba) gave an interview a few months back and said he was investing in cryptos, but not bitcoin specifically. he said this around the same time as the announcement that some major banks would work with XRP. coincidence?Huh
hero member
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legendary
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Life, Love and Laughter...
almost 6 months later...  nadda.

ripple users should get a community marketing drive going.
yvv
legendary
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Like I said we already have a distributed exchange where i can trust different entities.

See Trust: 19: -0 / +23(23)

You mean bitcointalk.org? LMAO

1. It is not distributed.

2. It is not an exchange (it is a forum).

3. You can not trust anybody here, since it is full of scammers.
legendary
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I don't have any trust rating on this web forum, also probably you still have the default trust settings (meaning you have the same list as the admin here by default until you actively start trusting individuals).

Could we discuss the forum trust settings and ratings somewhere else please? As I said, they do not constitute a distributed exchange at all and have nothing to do with Ripple as well.
legendary
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Both you people who claim to have trust are showing as Trust: 0: -0 / +0(0)  to me. So I dunno who trusts you but whoever it is apparently doesn't count from where I am sitting.

-MarkM-
legendary
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Like I said we already have a distributed exchange where i can trust different entities.

See Trust: 19: -0 / +23(23)
a web of trust is maybe a part of a distributed exchange but not all of it. You don't have a balance for example, so you need to look for and set up trades manually + both partners need to be online at about the same time. Also transactions that involve more than one trade are even harder. Lastly, there is not even an order book.

If you use the web of trust here as a distributed exchange, you're gonna have a bad time. It's not even the point of the system here to be an exchange mechanism, it's used to detect fraud and reward people who could be trusted.
Look at my rating for example - I did only few trades here and way before this rating was introduced, so I have little to show even though I'm a part of this community for over 2 years already and traded more bitcoins than some newbies with high ratings.

Trust in ripple does not work like in this forum by the way, a typical user only ever needs to trust a single gateway.
hero member
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Like I said we already have a distributed exchange where i can trust different entities.

See Trust: 19: -0 / +23(23)

Saying that Ripple network is a trust network is like saying that swiss knife is a bottle opener, it's better to say that bottle opening is one of it's features. Point is in p2p, as long as Bitcoin Exchanges are websites every single one of them could be closed very fast if bitcoin is declared illegal by some government. On the other hand, if exchanges are integrated into p2p network, just like it's done in Ripple network, it's really complicated for anyone to shut it down, just look at torrent network, it's still alive, every government in the world wants to close it, but no one has the tools for that job. Ripple is the best complementary tool for Bitcoin, if it succeed, it will make Bitcoin bulletproof.
legendary
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Like I said we already have a distributed exchange where i can trust different entities.

See Trust: 19: -0 / +23(23)
newbie
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Can anyone tell me how this thing works?
I looked at the wikipedia article and it basically says its a debt based cryptocurrency that you can trade for social points.
Like wtf if that supposed to mean.
No one cant tell you how it works because it doesn't. i think it boils down to a trust network.

It does involve trust, in the same way that trading on a Bitcoin exchange involves trusting the exchange.

Start by considering how Bitcoin exchanges involve trust, and then build from there. JoelKatz said it really well on the Ripple forum in December 2012 (why exchange rates in the example are dated):

Quote from: JoelKatz link=https://ripple.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9&p=50&sid=ef80f8981582191a568612639c0bc209#p51
Think about how existing Bitcoin exchanges work. I deposit $100 in the exchange, and the exchange now owes me $100. You deposit 8 Bitcoins in the exchange, and the exchange now owes you 8 Bitcoins. To do the actual exchange, you and I exchange IOUs. Now the exchange owes you $100 and owes me 8 Bitcoins. We both redeem our IOUs, and I have exchanged dollars for Bitcoins and you have exchanged Bitcoins for dollars.

You have a deposit step, an exchange, and then a withdrawal step. The actual *exchange* is an exchange of IOUs.

The difference is that Ripple functions as a distributed exchange, so that the parties in the trade can trust different exchanges (gateways) while not needing to trust the exchange (gateway) that is trusted by their trading partner. If there is either a trust pathway between their respective gateways, or a conversion pathway through XRP, then the transaction can happen.

Not only is the exchange distributed, but you are not limited to the types of currencies supported by their gateway. With Bitcoin, you are limited by what your particular exchange supports. Just like you would trust a Bitcoin exchange to hold a certain amount of your fiat currency and cryptocoins, you would trust a Ripple gateway to do the same. You don't have to expose yourself by trusting unknown or untrusted gateways to use the system.

If you hold all of your Bitcoins yourself, and only pay directly without using an exchange, Ripple might not be for you. However, if you are comfortable trading on Bitcoin exchanges, you have already decided to trust and should be comfortable using Ripple. You just need to find a gateway that you trust. Bitstamp might be a good place to start, since you probably already have an opinion of it if you use Bitcoin.
legendary
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I guess (s)he meant: "A P2P network where you can exchange arbitrary/any currencies"
legendary
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"Any Currency Exchange P2P Network" 

I buy and sell P2P everyday. I am not part of the ripple network. Huh

hero member
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Easiest Ripple definition:
Ripple Network -  Any Currency Exchange P2P Network
XRP - liquidity based currency
legendary
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Can anyone tell me how this thing works?
I looked at the wikipedia article and it basically says its a debt based cryptocurrency that you can trade for social points.
Like wtf if that supposed to mean.
No one cant tell you how it works because it doesn't. i think it boils down to a trust network.
You can look through Ripple's wiki (https://ripple.com/wiki/Main_Page) and yes, it does work.

Anyways, the main analogue that I usually use for Bitcoin is gold (something that has very little value in itself but that is useful for store of wealth because it is perceived by others the same).
For Ripple I usually use the banking network (= you have an account at your home bank and can receive ACHs from any other bank in the world that in the end gets added to your balance on your account. This balance is money that is DEBT from your bank towards you, also called "IOUs" ("I owe you"s)).

In Ripple you would have an account at a gateway, which is a money processor that can pay you money that you receive in your Ripple account and take money and credit it to your ripple account. Whenever someone on Ripple sends you money, in the end it will be converted to a balance of IOUs that you accept (typically the ones from your gateway, as you know these can be redeemed).

Trust lines in Ripple are used to tell the network which IOUs you accept and to which amount. This is not really modelled in the example, but you could for example think of a scenario where you might open a second bank account, once you have one filled with 100k USD, to always be FDIC insured - so your implicit limit towards one bank would be 100k USD. Ripple makes these limits explicit.

The biggest problem for OpenCoin as operators of this network is now, how to earn money from this without limiting users what they can do with it. In the bank network, banks simply charge fees in their own IOUs (e.g. you have to pay 10 cents per ACH) and pay the international networks (e.g. SWIFT or SEPA) some basic fee. This would mean that OpenCoin would need to charge each gateway all around the world some money that in the end needs to somehow end up on THEIR bank account (probably in USD) as they want to eat too.

The road that they took (and which is criticised a lot here) is that they introduced an "intermediate" currency - XRP. These are (like Bitcoins) completely arbitrary and worthless, but adhering to certain rules and also useful - so they might have some value. Contrary to BTC, which were designed to be given away as randomly as possible to anyone in the world, XRP were given to OpenCoin and are to be sold or given away from a centralized source. This way, they don't have to care about if someone issues IOUs in some currency that they don't even want (e.g. EUR), because if OpenCoin just took a flat 0.01% fee for example, they would end up with all kinds of different balances, like you having hundreds of tiny bank accounts at hundreds of different banks all with a handful of USD, EUR, GBP, CNY, BTC and whatnot in them.

All in all Ripple is a decentralized exchange, their business model is making money from selling their internal funny money and their product is rippled (the currently not publicly available server software used to verify transactions) and clients and libraries interfacing with rippled (these are open source and available on github).

If you have more concrete questions, please feel free to ask, maybe in a seperate thread, as this one is more about Ripple being used more and more in China.
yvv
legendary
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No one cant tell you how it works because it doesn't. i think it boils down to a trust network.

It works, very simple way. Currently very unstable though. Just try it, it does not cost too much.


legendary
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No one cant tell you how it works because it doesn't. i think it boils down to a trust network.
full member
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Can anyone tell me how this thing works?
I looked at the wikipedia article and it basically says its a debt based cryptocurrency that you can trade for social points.
Like wtf if that supposed to mean.
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