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December 19, 2023, 10:02:27 AM
In my opinion almost all steps that states take to "protect" gamblers have no real benefit. If they wanted to really help people with gambling addiction, they could open more free rehabilitation centers, advertise them on central television, launch information campaigns that would explain the negative consequences of mindless gambling. All this costs money, which will have to be allocated from the budget, so they simply do not make real steps, but only create the appearance of hard work.

It doesn't look good if they will open a rehabilitation centers of addicted gamblers as it will only imply that addiction has already become rampant.

Gambling is controllable by the government, since they regulated it, they have the right to ban it, or consider it as illegal. However, seeing the money that flows to the funding of the government, they can't make that kind of decision to stop, so it's really unto us now, either we become responsible, or be on the other side and experience the effect of addiction, after all the government doesn't care about us since gambling is not a necessity.
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December 19, 2023, 09:42:26 AM
In my opinion almost all steps that states take to "protect" gamblers have no real benefit. If they wanted to really help people with gambling addiction, they could open more free rehabilitation centers, advertise them on central television, launch information campaigns that would explain the negative consequences of mindless gambling. All this costs money, which will have to be allocated from the budget, so they simply do not make real steps, but only create the appearance of hard work.
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December 19, 2023, 09:35:04 AM
You're right and those stuff that you're saying is obvious already but I have to say that it's not really a good idea to say that external support is useless even if the person that's addicted or needs help in stopping from gambling doesn't want to help themselves. As much as we want all to emphasize that the right thing to happen is for a person to have the will to stop themselves in gambling, a constant support from their loved ones is a good thing even during those denial periods because that could be a factor in speeding up the process because the person that's being supported would find it in their heart to give them what their family wants and try to do a recovery.


Yes, it's like that, the best motivation is from within yourself. Just like when we first tried to gamble, we must also have the responsibility to try to stop. but of course stopping is sometimes not as easy as starting. I've had a few mistakes before, when people warned me not to play too long when winning, but I always played to the end of winning only to end up losing. From this, I feel that I must take full responsibility, both for playing and for stopping gambling. That's why I say input from other people can be useless if we don't follow it and there is rejection from ourselves
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December 19, 2023, 02:57:15 AM
I guess the most important rule for gambler is DO NOT TRY WIN BACK MONEY, cuz i really know people who cannot stop when they are losing. Especially its even worse when u deposit a new portion of money to try win back yr old money- this is a deadend way.
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December 19, 2023, 02:38:34 AM
Some countries support gambling and some countries do not support gambling. Gambling is outright prohibited in countries that have Muslim pay, but there are many countries outside of Muslim countries that prohibit gambling. In countries where gambling is allowed, you can easily find different casinos, but in countries where gambling is not allowed, far from casinos, there is more negative publicity about gambling. I only said what could happen officially but there are many five star hotels which operate secret casinos and there are huge numbers of people gambling secretly. Those who are addicted to gambling, there is no real deterrent, they will either go to the casino or gamble at home.
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December 19, 2023, 02:11:56 AM

On the other hand what you said could be true that although the casino's goal is quite humane by providing the best service with the aim of reducing the level of addiction for the community but it is not wrong if we put a little suspicion about whether there is no other goal that is targeted and focused on by the casino itself. Hmm yes maybe I can also say that this is a new marketing style that will indirectly attract more customers because they feel they will stay safe with such services.

I don't think that the main purpose of casinos doing this is to increase revenue, because obviously the services they provide are to reduce the level of addiction which means that with the reduced interest of gamblers to gamble then obviously in terms of casino revenue will also definitely decrease, but what is more certain is that I think this is a new marketing style to increase the popularity of the casino itself to be more trusted in the eyes of the public.

Apart from this, in my country cigarette companies also open smoking cessation services for cigarette addicts who want to quit. Previously, they were pessimistic and thought what the heck this company was doing, instead it was acting ridiculously. However, after I researched it, after this service appeared, the number of cigarettes in circulation remained the same and actually increased, even many underage children in my country were smoking.

Considering the high cost of advertising on television, this smoking cessation service is like a new style of advertising that can be conveyed to other people, even non-smokers, through word of mouth. And I imagine if this happened in gambling, it would be the same, wouldn't it?
Advertisements are somewhat influential on the mindset of the people. Greedy people will certainly fall into trusting anyone who says that gambling will make their lives better and richer. Perhaps, it was one of their marketing strategy and thought to be very effective. Well, there is nothing wrong with gambling but what matters the most if we are still able to manage our gambling habits because many gamblers become irresponsible. As we can see, more people got involved in gambling which means that the interest is growing and this will continue to grow.

Of course, whatever is advertised is aimed at attracting many people to do or buy the advertised product, also with people who are easily attracted to their pasi will be interested in existing advertisements, especially with the phrase gambling that can make us rich quickly, which person does not want to get rich quickly, of course everyone wants that. It's just that they take it too seriously which is where their assumptions will kill them themselves, I mean by them expecting wealth by gambling it will make them poor in the future because with their finances that will be drained by gambling if they are not aware of the true meaning of gambling, because gambling itself means betting some money where the winner gets the bet money or in other words fighting fate, as a form of game that is lucky for those who play, but if they put high hopes in gambling then they will most likely get a loss that is not small. Also if they are like that there will be other impacts that befall them such as changes in attitude, behavior, mental health and mind problems, so gambling with moderation is right, don't do gambling excessively because it will result in a fatal thing later.

It's true, with those who put great hope in gambling making them irresponsible with gambling, where they can forget their responsibilities in other things that should have been their own responsibility. because gambling can make someone forget about many things because they themselves also can't help themselves from the temptation of gambling. The interest that a person has in gambling is great therefore they cannot help themselves from the temptation to gamble. also with the fact that at this time many people are easily tempted and become addicted to just one game,  it indicates that more and more people are gambling at this time also with the addiction that already exists in them it will be difficult to get rid of it, this is already literate in themselves which has become a necessity in their lives.
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December 18, 2023, 11:37:17 PM
Unsure of the direction of this thread but if you are saying that governments put in controls to help people I'd say it's minimal and I don't see an issue with that.  It's like smoking cigarettes, not much countries are doing about that addiction either.  I'd say it revolves mostly around all of the money they rake in from people's addicitions it's sad.

As long as it's still acceptable the government will continue to allow the operation of a casino. More casinos to operate, more taxes they'll collect, that's a basic business principle on their part. There are other countries who don't allow their citizens to gamble because they know it will likely cause an addiction to them, so instead they only allow a casino to operate and serve the tourist, and let the citizens work within the casino.

At the end of the day, it's still the government decision that will be followed, if they can't control it, they'll likely ban it, but for sure they'll find a way that addiction will be control at a manageable level so it's a win-win situation for all.
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December 18, 2023, 09:18:37 PM
Each government think difficultly. Some governments will allow gambling for generating tax for them, some governments prevent their citizens from gambling but allow for foreigners only and some governments totally restricted gambling in their countries. But no government can totally stop gambling as there are many ways for gamblers to bypass. So better to work for awareness so that a gambler can become responsible. I like the self exclusion idea and related organization who work for Gambling. This could be important initial step in helping gamblers to control their gambling. If a gambler is dedicative enough then addiction in gambling could be solve.
There are places on which their government would really be minding about the citizens condition and situation on which they wont really be liking on letting them to get involved with gambling.
Well, its good but majority of these places or government would really be mindful about taxes, they wont care about citizens condition as long they could be able to tax then it would really be just that fine. Well, we do know on how taxes do works and how it do really help out economic development and advancement but they should be at least having that moderation so that gambling addiction
wont really be that bad and severe on which we know that it is really that too bad if ever that happens. In overall, it would really be just that depending on a certain individual
decisions because we cant really just blame out all to the government.
Every government has its own rules, whether we live in a government that allows gambling or does not allow gambling, we have to accept it and should not demand the right to allow gambling and it is true as you say that we have no right to blame the government.
It is true that gambling is a bad activity, and just like smoking, drinking alcohol, drugs, three are bad activities, but among them only gambling and drugs are really strictly controlled in any country and there are only a few governments that allow it because Their taxes are also high, perhaps for governments that allow gambling and drugs, they will get big profits and can add to their government's economy through taxes for various reasons.
However, even though gambling is illegal, many people in all parts of the world still dare to gamble, whether in land-based casinos or online casinos, even though it is strictly prohibited by the government, usually people who do this activity will do it secretly.
For me, as long as gamblers can be responsible and don't take actions out of control, gambling remains a fun activity and isn't too stressful because sometimes the government is too worried about irresponsible gamblers and doesn't think about the risks so many governments strictly prohibit gambling in the community. .
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December 18, 2023, 06:02:45 PM
yup, that gambler needs to give a strong push for control by himself first. Then, support from others afterward. It's also useless if support comes from close people, friends or family. If he still wants to continue betting and forgets about risk management. If it happens, then be prepared to face bad things that can destroy his life. When they experience this, then any advice will no longer be able to help them and they have to really try on their own.
You're right and those stuff that you're saying is obvious already but I have to say that it's not really a good idea to say that external support is useless even if the person that's addicted or needs help in stopping from gambling doesn't want to help themselves. As much as we want all to emphasize that the right thing to happen is for a person to have the will to stop themselves in gambling, a constant support from their loved ones is a good thing even during those denial periods because that could be a factor in speeding up the process because the person that's being supported would find it in their heart to give them what their family wants and try to do a recovery.

Regarding the help from the government, I don't know where you're from OP but it's such a good government if they're doing this because I haven't seen any program like the ones that you've mentioned here in my country or if there's one then they're not heavily promoted to reach more audiences which I think should be the goal for these types of program even if it's a low effort one as long as someone's able to know about the programs.
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December 18, 2023, 05:26:31 PM
Unsure of the direction of this thread but if you are saying that governments put in controls to help people I'd say it's minimal and I don't see an issue with that.  It's like smoking cigarettes, not much countries are doing about that addiction either.  I'd say it revolves mostly around all of the money they rake in from people's addicitions it's sad.
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December 18, 2023, 04:59:40 PM
Governments and several organisations work to encourage responsible gaming. This involves establishing betting restrictions, offering support to those who think they have a gambling problem, and participating in self-exclusion programmes.
so your whole point is that the governs are creating pathways to eliminate gambling addiction? Cus this looks like a Summary to me... But if what you said is true, what do you think is the best way to achieve that? Isn't it by curbing or eliminating the cause of the addiction itself - which is gambling itself? They wouldn't wanna stop casinos totally since they're getting cuts yearly, monthly or daily from it...

I believe it's dawn on every gambler who's planning on either being successful or not being addicted at the end.

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December 18, 2023, 04:54:25 PM

On the other hand what you said could be true that although the casino's goal is quite humane by providing the best service with the aim of reducing the level of addiction for the community but it is not wrong if we put a little suspicion about whether there is no other goal that is targeted and focused on by the casino itself. Hmm yes maybe I can also say that this is a new marketing style that will indirectly attract more customers because they feel they will stay safe with such services.

I don't think that the main purpose of casinos doing this is to increase revenue, because obviously the services they provide are to reduce the level of addiction which means that with the reduced interest of gamblers to gamble then obviously in terms of casino revenue will also definitely decrease, but what is more certain is that I think this is a new marketing style to increase the popularity of the casino itself to be more trusted in the eyes of the public.

Apart from this, in my country cigarette companies also open smoking cessation services for cigarette addicts who want to quit. Previously, they were pessimistic and thought what the heck this company was doing, instead it was acting ridiculously. However, after I researched it, after this service appeared, the number of cigarettes in circulation remained the same and actually increased, even many underage children in my country were smoking.

Considering the high cost of advertising on television, this smoking cessation service is like a new style of advertising that can be conveyed to other people, even non-smokers, through word of mouth. And I imagine if this happened in gambling, it would be the same, wouldn't it?
Advertisements are somewhat influential on the mindset of the people. Greedy people will certainly fall into trusting anyone who says that gambling will make their lives better and richer. Perhaps, it was one of their marketing strategy and thought to be very effective. Well, there is nothing wrong with gambling but what matters the most if we are still able to manage our gambling habits because many gamblers become irresponsible. As we can see, more people got involved in gambling which means that the interest is growing and this will continue to grow.
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December 18, 2023, 04:40:20 PM

On the other hand what you said could be true that although the casino's goal is quite humane by providing the best service with the aim of reducing the level of addiction for the community but it is not wrong if we put a little suspicion about whether there is no other goal that is targeted and focused on by the casino itself. Hmm yes maybe I can also say that this is a new marketing style that will indirectly attract more customers because they feel they will stay safe with such services.

I don't think that the main purpose of casinos doing this is to increase revenue, because obviously the services they provide are to reduce the level of addiction which means that with the reduced interest of gamblers to gamble then obviously in terms of casino revenue will also definitely decrease, but what is more certain is that I think this is a new marketing style to increase the popularity of the casino itself to be more trusted in the eyes of the public.

Apart from this, in my country cigarette companies also open smoking cessation services for cigarette addicts who want to quit. Previously, they were pessimistic and thought what the heck this company was doing, instead it was acting ridiculously. However, after I researched it, after this service appeared, the number of cigarettes in circulation remained the same and actually increased, even many underage children in my country were smoking.

Considering the high cost of advertising on television, this smoking cessation service is like a new style of advertising that can be conveyed to other people, even non-smokers, through word of mouth. And I imagine if this happened in gambling, it would be the same, wouldn't it?
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December 18, 2023, 02:21:49 PM
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OP, I have been gambling for more than 6 years now and yet have not turned myself into a compulsive gambler. I think it's the paramount responsibility of every man to always have self-control over what they are doing.

There are a lot of gamblers who are still responsible gamblers, and some other gamblers are also irresponsible, but the only difference between those two types of gamblers is that one has self-control and has never allowed themselves to become addicted.

Even if the government must develop any program to help encourage responsible gambling, a gambler must always be positive-minded and exercise self-control in their gambling lifestyles so that they will prevent themselves from becoming compulsive gamblers or having other gambling-related problems, like the OP said.

You are right on this. No amount of government programs can change an irresponsible person. Just the same way government laws, rules and regulations have not been able to stop crime except the criminal decides on his own to change. The only way the government can be helpful is to help those battling with gambling problems, this they do through their various agencies. Even though certain restrictions have been laid down to help gamblers gamble responsibly, the government does not follow them up strictly. Government make money from gambling through casinos and other platforms and these gambling platforms make a good percentage of their profits from irresponsible gamblers.

It is needless expecting the government to help you cut down on your gambling excesses, it is the sole responsibility of the gambler to moderate himself while gambling considering the consequences involved if one becomes too careless and carried away.

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December 18, 2023, 12:45:30 PM
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OP, I have been gambling for more than 6 years now and yet have not turned myself into a compulsive gambler. I think it's the paramount responsibility of every man to always have self-control over what they are doing.

There are a lot of gamblers who are still responsible gamblers, and some other gamblers are also irresponsible, but the only difference between those two types of gamblers is that one has self-control and has never allowed themselves to become addicted.

Even if the government must develop any program to help encourage responsible gambling, a gambler must always be positive-minded and exercise self-control in their gambling lifestyles so that they will prevent themselves from becoming compulsive gamblers or having other gambling-related problems, like the OP said.

Their are many gamblers like you,they will play longer in the gambling site.But don’t get addicted to the gambling site,their was huge difference between the gamblers who get addiction and gamblers who play for the longer term.If the gamblers had the self control like you said,then he doesn’t have the problem by getting addicted to the gambling site.The responsibility in the gambling site was depend upon on every single gambler,because some gamblers had take own responsibility of the game.Some countries may ban the gambling site,in such site the gamblers will play with out the knowledge of their own family members.Even their relatives may report him for the gambling involvement to the government officials for small rewards.
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December 18, 2023, 12:29:10 PM
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OP, I have been gambling for more than 6 years now and yet have not turned myself into a compulsive gambler. I think it's the paramount responsibility of every man to always have self-control over what they are doing.

There are a lot of gamblers who are still responsible gamblers, and some other gamblers are also irresponsible, but the only difference between those two types of gamblers is that one has self-control and has never allowed themselves to become addicted.

Even if the government must develop any program to help encourage responsible gambling, a gambler must always be positive-minded and exercise self-control in their gambling lifestyles so that they will prevent themselves from becoming compulsive gamblers or having other gambling-related problems, like the OP said.

being responsible will always come from the person himself. no matter what programs will the government will offer or the site itself will offer, it will be futile if the gambler himself doesn't have the will to change or stick to his plans. it is quite manageable if you are staying your limits. i can understand that you can go overboard from time to time. because for me, that's normal. but if you can't contain yourself anymore every time you are at the table, then maybe you need to start seriously thinking your gambling situation.

self-exclusion is a good initiative but the person should not create an account to every casino that he will encounter of. because he can submit such self-exclusion to one, but ironically, he is playing on the rest of the casinos. so keep in mind that discipline will always start from yourself. if you can't handle yourself, who will?

the number of years you are in gambling is fine, so long you understand about your limits and boundaries. because if you have no more concept of control, that's when you will start having trouble. not only to your funds, but with your immediate family as well. need to think fast what you really want in life. otherwise, your life is in jeopardy.
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December 18, 2023, 12:27:07 PM
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The most important thing to quit or control yourself in gambling is yourself, not by the self exclusion or other project.
yup, that gambler needs to give a strong push for control by himself first. Then, support from others afterward. It's also useless if support comes from close people, friends or family. If he still wants to continue betting and forgets about risk management. If it happens, then be prepared to face bad things that can destroy his life. When they experience this, then any advice will no longer be able to help them and they have to really try on their own.
Nothing truer than helping yourself first before helping others. This is the importance of self-control for a gambler who should take the initiative to exert strong self-control before seeking support from others. If a gambler fails to address these issues independently, they may face consequences that can potentially destroy their life. In such cases, external advice or support may become ineffective, and the individual must take genuine efforts to overcome their challenges.

The gambler indeed needs to take control of their actions before seeking support. This aligns with the idea that self-awareness and a personal commitment to change are essential for overcoming addictive behavior. Without a conscious effort to control one's impulses and manage risks, external support may not yield the desired results. People who continue down this path may face severe consequences that can adversely impact their lives. The gambler himself should have motivation to take proactive steps toward change.
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December 18, 2023, 12:07:11 PM
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OP, I have been gambling for more than 6 years now and yet have not turned myself into a compulsive gambler. I think it's the paramount responsibility of every man to always have self-control over what they are doing.

There are a lot of gamblers who are still responsible gamblers, and some other gamblers are also irresponsible, but the only difference between those two types of gamblers is that one has self-control and has never allowed themselves to become addicted.

Even if the government must develop any program to help encourage responsible gambling, a gambler must always be positive-minded and exercise self-control in their gambling lifestyles so that they will prevent themselves from becoming compulsive gamblers or having other gambling-related problems, like the OP said.
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December 18, 2023, 11:30:10 AM
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I had already commented on this in some places, but I think that talking about it here is also something useful, this issue of responsible gambling, addiction to gambling, is something that really worries society in general, and something that worries many families. but the saddest thing about all this is that we see governments being very tough on gambling because according to these governments that ban gambling, they claim that people will spend all their money on gambling, they claim that people people will become addicted and that's why the government is banning people from using credit cards in casinos and banning people from using casinos.

Therefore, casinos are left with no choice and place countries that prohibit gambling on the list of restricted countries, but it is ironic that the same countries that ban gambling allow people to consume a lot of drinks such as wine and beer and not They run campaigns like: "don't drink excessively" or they don't ban wine and beer factories and they don't talk every day about how people will become addicted to alcohol. The saddest part of all this is that the number of car accidents involving driving under the influence of alcohol has risen alarmingly,

Hundreds of people are dying every day because they drink alcohol and drive their cars and the result is car accidents, hundreds of people are dying because their livers and lungs are failing due to alcohol, and what is the government doing? ? they don't do anything. That's because they own the car factories, they own the beer factories, they own the wine factories, they own the hospitals. When more people consume alcohol, destroy cars, end up in hospitals, the more profits the owners of beer, wine, car and hospital factories will make. while these government guys don't care about gambling
We see strict gaming laws to preserve public welfare yet weak alcohol laws despite their risks. Paradoxical, right? In theory, the government should protect citizens, but their approach to gambling and drinking looks biased.

Are these policies truly for public health, or are there business motives? The government's participation in automotive and alcohol poses conflict of interest concerns. Its crucial to consider whether business comes before public health.

This scenario emphasizes the necessity for responsible governance that treats all addictions equally. Promoting responsible conduct and addiction support is the goal, not prohibiting industries. Shouldnt governments treat gambling and alcohol addictions equally?
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December 18, 2023, 11:26:09 AM
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Each government think difficultly. Some governments will allow gambling for generating tax for them, some governments prevent their citizens from gambling but allow for foreigners only and some governments totally restricted gambling in their countries. But no government can totally stop gambling as there are many ways for gamblers to bypass. So better to work for awareness so that a gambler can become responsible. I like the self exclusion idea and related organization who work for Gambling. This could be important initial step in helping gamblers to control their gambling. If a gambler is dedicative enough then addiction in gambling could be solve. Otherwise there's no problem with responsible gambler who just gambling for entertainment with limit

It is not about some government, majorly the government legalized gambling and allowed free bet purposely for taxes engulfment from the people. I think they see how the people lose money daily to gambling platforms and they look away as if that is not breaking people pocket but as long money is been tax from people and the company, they are fine with it as that is what they are concerned about and not the people. I dumbfounded if there is any restriction that government give this people aside from gambling responsibly.

Many people are houseless today because of gambling, some people has taken their life because of gambling and the gambling companies don't even compensate or take action against such so it wouldn't repeat again, the company will operate and work fine. I think there should be warning or some action when a gambler has pass some limit just the way they have limits on bank account, trust me this will limit people that are gambling the way they like and those that doesn't have control over bankroll and risk involve in gambling.
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