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Quote from: goaldigger on April 08, 2022, 05:41:48 PM

Quote from: wiss19 on April 08, 2022, 03:11:40 PM

Winning too much is usually not a big problem but if you keep on winning constantly then there could be a reason why they could limit you, mainly to check how you have been winning and see if you have done any tricks. That is how they prevent getting hacked by someone who found a glitch.

They limit your withdrawal as well and offer you sympathies for a while and maybe even offer you gifts if they found nothing at all. That is why I believe it is normal for someone who keeps winning all the time to get their account blocked for a while, if it is forever then it is a problem but it is normal if it is temporary, so that the casino could check what they have been doing.

The casino should inform you the process if they are going to restrict your account for a while for a fair reviews about your winning, they can’t just restrict your account because this and better for the site to take the process. Consistently winning should not be a problem of the gamblers especially if didn’t do something bad, but yeah this is a normal process of the site and gamblers should be compensated for the time of being restricted. Don’t be afraid if you’re on a legit site, they will surely handle this professionally.

Some site will restrict you first before informing you about the situation so you won’t be able to fully access your account. This move is kind suspicious but if its based on the regulations then you have to obey and wait for their updates.

I’m not updated with Roobet but is there any incidents like this that happened in Roobet? What’s the situation of this and how the site handle this?

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Quote from: wiss19 on April 08, 2022, 03:11:40 PM

Quote from: Emitdama on April 07, 2022, 01:58:09 AM

Quote from: shasan on April 05, 2022, 05:23:28 AM

Winning too much is not the fault of gambler who will playing mainly for winning. If winning is a sin then why gambler will play on their site. So, this type of system should be removed.
If any user abuse the system of bonus then the user should be banned/limited as a punishment. More than one account is not necessary for a user so it is okay too. And the behavior should not be aggressive if aggressive then they may ban. Could not understand what is the fault of ignoring offer of bonus and promotions??

Same impression about the bonus and promotions. It's tough to complete those, that is why most of the gamblers just skip them but why will they look suspicious after that? lol. It should be the gamblers that abused the promotion and bonus are going to be suspicious. There are gamblers that have more than one account for some reasons like they self refer it with their main account and it is allowed in some gambling sites like stake.com. I didn't tried it but that is what I saw/heard from my long time of staying there.

I am not really that active in depositing and in gambling so I didn't bother to use that trick. There is also nothing wrong in winning too much, as long as the win is legit but winning too much can be rare because gambling sites always have an advantage.

Winning too much is usually not a big problem but if you keep on winning constantly then there could be a reason why they could limit you, mainly to check how you have been winning and see if you have done any tricks. That is how they prevent getting hacked by someone who found a glitch.

They limit your withdrawal as well and offer you sympathies for a while and maybe even offer you gifts if they found nothing at all. That is why I believe it is normal for someone who keeps winning all the time to get their account blocked for a while, if it is forever then it is a problem but it is normal if it is temporary, so that the casino could check what they have been doing.

As an owner of a gambling business then it would be normal that you would really be highly reactive with this kind of behavior thats why these kind of restrictions or blocking would really be normal.

If you are that innocent on doing something then you wont really be that thrilled nor panic out if ever security measures or alerts kicks in.It is really that normal for businesses like this
but dont worry if something that cant be proved out.

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Quote from: wiss19 on April 08, 2022, 03:11:40 PM

Winning too much is usually not a big problem but if you keep on winning constantly then there could be a reason why they could limit you, mainly to check how you have been winning and see if you have done any tricks. That is how they prevent getting hacked by someone who found a glitch.

They limit your withdrawal as well and offer you sympathies for a while and maybe even offer you gifts if they found nothing at all. That is why I believe it is normal for someone who keeps winning all the time to get their account blocked for a while, if it is forever then it is a problem but it is normal if it is temporary, so that the casino could check what they have been doing.

The casino should inform you the process if they are going to restrict your account for a while for a fair reviews about your winning, they can’t just restrict your account because this and better for the site to take the process. Consistently winning should not be a problem of the gamblers especially if didn’t do something bad, but yeah this is a normal process of the site and gamblers should be compensated for the time of being restricted. Don’t be afraid if you’re on a legit site, they will surely handle this professionally.

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Quote from: Emitdama on April 07, 2022, 01:58:09 AM

Quote from: shasan on April 05, 2022, 05:23:28 AM

Winning too much is not the fault of gambler who will playing mainly for winning. If winning is a sin then why gambler will play on their site. So, this type of system should be removed.
If any user abuse the system of bonus then the user should be banned/limited as a punishment. More than one account is not necessary for a user so it is okay too. And the behavior should not be aggressive if aggressive then they may ban. Could not understand what is the fault of ignoring offer of bonus and promotions??

Same impression about the bonus and promotions. It's tough to complete those, that is why most of the gamblers just skip them but why will they look suspicious after that? lol. It should be the gamblers that abused the promotion and bonus are going to be suspicious. There are gamblers that have more than one account for some reasons like they self refer it with their main account and it is allowed in some gambling sites like stake.com. I didn't tried it but that is what I saw/heard from my long time of staying there.

I am not really that active in depositing and in gambling so I didn't bother to use that trick. There is also nothing wrong in winning too much, as long as the win is legit but winning too much can be rare because gambling sites always have an advantage.

Winning too much is usually not a big problem but if you keep on winning constantly then there could be a reason why they could limit you, mainly to check how you have been winning and see if you have done any tricks. That is how they prevent getting hacked by someone who found a glitch.

They limit your withdrawal as well and offer you sympathies for a while and maybe even offer you gifts if they found nothing at all. That is why I believe it is normal for someone who keeps winning all the time to get their account blocked for a while, if it is forever then it is a problem but it is normal if it is temporary, so that the casino could check what they have been doing.

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Quote from: Johnyz on April 07, 2022, 04:26:22 PM

Quote from: serjent05 on April 07, 2022, 12:33:03 PM

Quote from: goaldigger on April 06, 2022, 05:37:43 PM

I saw a lot of complain recently on Roobet and some of them are still left unaddressed, though it just look like a haters post and maybe the best way to solve the problem is to communicate directly with the site support. Gamblers are usually restricted for some valid reason and the site will always play by the books, so better to understand the terms before you gamble, the site has the authority to change it for the benefit of both gamblers and the investors.

It is possible that those "left unaddressed" do not show enough proof, or had been addressed by Roobet and was already solved privately and the posters never or forget to come back after the problem is solved. Most people that have issue just came to post their problem or frustration and when everything is settled they just leave and never bothers to come back to say it is settled.

This is a new trend where someone is trying to ruin the reputation of other site and when they get the answer they will still push their claims. There’s no perfect site, they are all prone to problems like this and I believe in Roobet everything is handle professionally and they are really serious on their platform. If you have a concrete evidence talk to their support first before panicking.

^ That is human behavior and probably should we must change because what if we are the owner of the gambling casino, how we can manage such issues and of course show respect to your valued customer. That is true, there are so many complaints we saw every day, and the most common of them is the problem about the TOS which is clear they did not read it well. Sometimes this may lead to possible issues because we are not aware of those terms. Roobet casino is the fastest-growing casino and they have an awesome team that can handle any problem privately or publicly.

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Quote from: Johnyz on April 07, 2022, 04:26:22 PM

Quote from: serjent05 on April 07, 2022, 12:33:03 PM

Quote from: goaldigger on April 06, 2022, 05:37:43 PM

I saw a lot of complain recently on Roobet and some of them are still left unaddressed, though it just look like a haters post and maybe the best way to solve the problem is to communicate directly with the site support. Gamblers are usually restricted for some valid reason and the site will always play by the books, so better to understand the terms before you gamble, the site has the authority to change it for the benefit of both gamblers and the investors.

It is possible that those "left unaddressed" do not show enough proof, or had been addressed by Roobet and was already solved privately and the posters never or forget to come back after the problem is solved. Most people that have issue just came to post their problem or frustration and when everything is settled they just leave and never bothers to come back to say it is settled.

This is a new trend where someone is trying to ruin the reputation of other site and when they get the answer they will still push their claims. There’s no perfect site, they are all prone to problems like this and I believe in Roobet everything is handle professionally and they are really serious on their platform. If you have a concrete evidence talk to their support first before panicking.

That's not new but rather rampant happening on any business where some competitor are creating fake claims or someone who lose gets angry and revenge by telling that the platform they play is a scam so its really not good to believe on any of those unless they provide more quality proof about what they are telling. Also for what reputation Roobet got here for sure they solve all valid issues happen since they surely care about their reputation.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on April 05, 2022, 11:08:50 PM

I think the same, there are always trolls who try to show what does not exist and tarnish everything that is very well done, both from Rootbet and from any casino they always come out to try to make bad publicity, I try to understand what they want to achieve with it and I can't find anything logical.

On the other hand, there are also many trolls on stake.com, and some are very rude and mess with people, both on the platform and here in the forum in their respective threads, it is best to ignore them and not feed the trolls.

The sad thing is that they could grow very strong when they combine their powers, thankfully they are individuals in the bitcointalk, and since we have membership power here that shows the world in bitcointalk that some few newbies or juniors or whatever do not really matter, because if there is a bad place then even legendary accounts and DT accounts start to talk about it and we all get to hear about it.

However, it is still annoying, who would want to see them? We all would like to talk about the millions of dollars roobet has given for free as promotions, thousands upon thousands on each contest they held, and not some newbie annoying trolls.

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Quote from: serjent05 on April 07, 2022, 12:33:03 PM

Quote from: goaldigger on April 06, 2022, 05:37:43 PM

I saw a lot of complain recently on Roobet and some of them are still left unaddressed, though it just look like a haters post and maybe the best way to solve the problem is to communicate directly with the site support. Gamblers are usually restricted for some valid reason and the site will always play by the books, so better to understand the terms before you gamble, the site has the authority to change it for the benefit of both gamblers and the investors.

It is possible that those "left unaddressed" do not show enough proof, or had been addressed by Roobet and was already solved privately and the posters never or forget to come back after the problem is solved. Most people that have issue just came to post their problem or frustration and when everything is settled they just leave and never bothers to come back to say it is settled.

This is a new trend where someone is trying to ruin the reputation of other site and when they get the answer they will still push their claims. There’s no perfect site, they are all prone to problems like this and I believe in Roobet everything is handle professionally and they are really serious on their platform. If you have a concrete evidence talk to their support first before panicking.

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Quote from: goaldigger on April 06, 2022, 05:37:43 PM

I saw a lot of complain recently on Roobet and some of them are still left unaddressed, though it just look like a haters post and maybe the best way to solve the problem is to communicate directly with the site support. Gamblers are usually restricted for some valid reason and the site will always play by the books, so better to understand the terms before you gamble, the site has the authority to change it for the benefit of both gamblers and the investors.

It is possible that those "left unaddressed" do not show enough proof, or had been addressed by Roobet and was already solved privately and the posters never or forget to come back after the problem is solved. Most people that have issue just came to post their problem or frustration and when everything is settled they just leave and never bothers to come back to say it is settled.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on April 06, 2022, 08:21:50 PM

Nothing new of course haters gonna hate they want to pull down a too gambling platform but we know the reputation of the roobet already it's one of the most reputable and good quality of services in terms of gambling. We can not remove this kind of mentally to people. It's only to those who lose the gambling and have trouble with their deposits and withdrawals. Those are the common issue of the players. That's why they are always ranting and creating a fud.

I will say that there are genuine complaints also like when there could be some technical or other misunderstanding between the casino and player but it's resolved if the matter is brought to attention over the fourm and campaign manager @Hhampuz is ready to help personally and it's settled.But then there are people who are trying to defame the casino image without any proof so what they expect members to do? The best is to give them their own medicine by ignoring them and focus on your roobet discussions only.

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Quote from: shasan on April 05, 2022, 05:23:28 AM

Winning too much is not the fault of gambler who will playing mainly for winning. If winning is a sin then why gambler will play on their site. So, this type of system should be removed.
If any user abuse the system of bonus then the user should be banned/limited as a punishment. More than one account is not necessary for a user so it is okay too. And the behavior should not be aggressive if aggressive then they may ban. Could not understand what is the fault of ignoring offer of bonus and promotions??

Same impression about the bonus and promotions. It's tough to complete those, that is why most of the gamblers just skip them but why will they look suspicious after that? lol. It should be the gamblers that abused the promotion and bonus are going to be suspicious. There are gamblers that have more than one account for some reasons like they self refer it with their main account and it is allowed in some gambling sites like stake.com. I didn't tried it but that is what I saw/heard from my long time of staying there.

I am not really that active in depositing and in gambling so I didn't bother to use that trick. There is also nothing wrong in winning too much, as long as the win is legit but winning too much can be rare because gambling sites always have an advantage.

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Quote from: peter0425 on April 05, 2022, 12:51:42 AM

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It looks like I missed some drama here Cheesy

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Quote from: naim027 on March 31, 2022, 12:28:21 PM

Not only Roobet has this issue. Every casino platform has a couple of haters.

Haters will say and write all negative posts but be careful and you will have to verify their words.

Not only haters, Many companies often use this kind of dirty tactics to drag down their competitors so it is not surprising if this is some kind of propaganda to tarnish Roobet's reputation. But well, as long as the accusation is invalid and has no supporting fact, then it will be easily forgotten.

As if they can easily influence legit gamblers on this site, we know how Roobet works and those haters can't destabilize this platform, that's why they go to the second phase of their plan, which is to hire trolls and make false accusation against the site. This is not new anymore, and really happening in real life, the only way to stop them is to keep on improving the platform and do better things, they'll just stop if they can't beat you anymore, Roobet have to stay a reputable site and aim for the top rank!

Of course they can try but the question is will they succeed?

With roobet having thousands of players supporting them every day and looking at the wagering constantly increasing?

they will only shows how desperate they are on dumping good casino as their business are surely being affected, those Haters mostly a Paid account of opponents in gambling.

Nothing new of course haters gonna hate they want to pull down a too gambling platform but we know the reputation of the roobet already it's one of the most reputable and good quality of services in terms of gambling. We can not remove this kind of mentally to people. It's only to those who lose the gambling and have trouble with their deposits and withdrawals. Those are the common issue of the players. That's why they are always ranting and creating a fud.

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Quote from: Mahanton on April 06, 2022, 06:08:25 PM

Quote from: goaldigger on April 06, 2022, 05:37:43 PM

Quote from: Johnyz on April 06, 2022, 04:48:56 PM

Its ok to complain if you have a valid reason to do so and if you think the terms and conditions are not fair for the side of the gamblers. If there’s a changes and gamblers didn’t agree on this, I think the site should address this properly and answer every queries, this can assure you that the gamblers will stay on a specific site to play. Roobet on the other hand should communicate well to the gamblers especially if they need answers from the team.

I saw a lot of complain recently on Roobet and some of them are still left unaddressed, though it just look like a haters post and maybe the best way to solve the problem is to communicate directly with the site support. Gamblers are usually restricted for some valid reason and the site will always play by the books, so better to understand the terms before you gamble, the site has the authority to change it for the benefit of both gamblers and the investors.

Haters post or legit complaints but it had been resolved out silently because most users doesnt really tend to make out some updates in regarding with their issues and make the public or community boggle up their mind
and believe that the issue hadnt been resolved yet or completely been ignored by the team thats why there's at least some representative which would really clarify out things so that it wont really be making some bad
image or impression to the site.This is what i do have observed on their ANN thread that none of their staff or representative do really make out some words or something like that.

Probably because they don't want to feed the trolls I guess, the user can get the answer why he was limited to very low bet amount and if the answer is not satisfy the query then he can bring it to the discussion even on the reputation board but when someone face issues they simply want immediate response and solution even though the casinos are trying to reply as soon as possible its not really practical to give instant response for everything, sometimes it needs more time to analyse to find what is the actual cause.

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Quote from: goaldigger on April 06, 2022, 05:37:43 PM

Quote from: Johnyz on April 06, 2022, 04:48:56 PM

Its ok to complain if you have a valid reason to do so and if you think the terms and conditions are not fair for the side of the gamblers. If there’s a changes and gamblers didn’t agree on this, I think the site should address this properly and answer every queries, this can assure you that the gamblers will stay on a specific site to play. Roobet on the other hand should communicate well to the gamblers especially if they need answers from the team.

I saw a lot of complain recently on Roobet and some of them are still left unaddressed, though it just look like a haters post and maybe the best way to solve the problem is to communicate directly with the site support. Gamblers are usually restricted for some valid reason and the site will always play by the books, so better to understand the terms before you gamble, the site has the authority to change it for the benefit of both gamblers and the investors.

Haters post or legit complaints but it had been resolved out silently because most users doesnt really tend to make out some updates in regarding with their issues and make the public or community boggle up their mind
and believe that the issue hadnt been resolved yet or completely been ignored by the team thats why there's at least some representative which would really clarify out things so that it wont really be making some bad
image or impression to the site.This is what i do have observed on their ANN thread that none of their staff or representative do really make out some words or something like that.

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Quote from: Johnyz on April 06, 2022, 04:48:56 PM

Its ok to complain if you have a valid reason to do so and if you think the terms and conditions are not fair for the side of the gamblers. If there’s a changes and gamblers didn’t agree on this, I think the site should address this properly and answer every queries, this can assure you that the gamblers will stay on a specific site to play. Roobet on the other hand should communicate well to the gamblers especially if they need answers from the team.

I saw a lot of complain recently on Roobet and some of them are still left unaddressed, though it just look like a haters post and maybe the best way to solve the problem is to communicate directly with the site support. Gamblers are usually restricted for some valid reason and the site will always play by the books, so better to understand the terms before you gamble, the site has the authority to change it for the benefit of both gamblers and the investors.

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Quote from: Hamphser on April 06, 2022, 04:45:26 PM

Quote from: MinMan on April 06, 2022, 02:15:18 PM

Quote from: rhomelmabini on April 05, 2022, 05:00:24 AM

People nowadays wouldn't want a delayed gratification and sometimes that is where disagreement arises. Nothing borns or made at perfection and online casino gambling platforms are surely in this regards, we can have delayed responses, unsettled withdraw or deposits etc etc but I believe a reputed one will do what it takes to sort it out for their customers.

No business in the world can keep their customers 100% happy, there will always be people complaining and that is true for here as well. Delayed gratification could be bad, but that doesn't make roobet bad. Like I said, there could be "some" people who are truly getting the short end of the stick, not all of the complaints must be bad, not all of them must be wrong, there could be some people who really feel like scammed by roobet, and I get that.

The important part here is that it shouldn't be based on everyone else. If a place is hated by everyone, disliked by people who are here and the general population here, then it would be bad, but a few here and there is fine.

Not all people would really be pleased out and theres no such thing about no-complaint or issues no matter how good or known the gambling platform/site would be.There would be always those people who might be

experiencing some technical problems or something in related with personal problems like addiction or lose of money.Most of these cases are been ignored but if the issues are attached with monetary
then this is something that the community wont able to ignore on.

Its ok to complain if you have a valid reason to do so and if you think the terms and conditions are not fair for the side of the gamblers. If there’s a changes and gamblers didn’t agree on this, I think the site should address this properly and answer every queries, this can assure you that the gamblers will stay on a specific site to play. Roobet on the other hand should communicate well to the gamblers especially if they need answers from the team.

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Quote from: MinMan on April 06, 2022, 02:15:18 PM

Quote from: rhomelmabini on April 05, 2022, 05:00:24 AM

People nowadays wouldn't want a delayed gratification and sometimes that is where disagreement arises. Nothing borns or made at perfection and online casino gambling platforms are surely in this regards, we can have delayed responses, unsettled withdraw or deposits etc etc but I believe a reputed one will do what it takes to sort it out for their customers.

No business in the world can keep their customers 100% happy, there will always be people complaining and that is true for here as well. Delayed gratification could be bad, but that doesn't make roobet bad. Like I said, there could be "some" people who are truly getting the short end of the stick, not all of the complaints must be bad, not all of them must be wrong, there could be some people who really feel like scammed by roobet, and I get that.

The important part here is that it shouldn't be based on everyone else. If a place is hated by everyone, disliked by people who are here and the general population here, then it would be bad, but a few here and there is fine.

Not all people would really be pleased out and theres no such thing about no-complaint or issues no matter how good or known the gambling platform/site would be.There would be always those people who might be

experiencing some technical problems or something in related with personal problems like addiction or lose of money.Most of these cases are been ignored but if the issues are attached with monetary
then this is something that the community wont able to ignore on.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on April 05, 2022, 05:00:24 AM

People nowadays wouldn't want a delayed gratification and sometimes that is where disagreement arises. Nothing borns or made at perfection and online casino gambling platforms are surely in this regards, we can have delayed responses, unsettled withdraw or deposits etc etc but I believe a reputed one will do what it takes to sort it out for their customers.

No business in the world can keep their customers 100% happy, there will always be people complaining and that is true for here as well. Delayed gratification could be bad, but that doesn't make roobet bad. Like I said, there could be "some" people who are truly getting the short end of the stick, not all of the complaints must be bad, not all of them must be wrong, there could be some people who really feel like scammed by roobet, and I get that.

The important part here is that it shouldn't be based on everyone else. If a place is hated by everyone, disliked by people who are here and the general population here, then it would be bad, but a few here and there is fine.

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Quote from: serjent05 on April 05, 2022, 05:57:05 AM

Quote from: shasan on April 05, 2022, 05:23:28 AM

Winning too much is not the fault of gambler who will playing mainly for winning. If winning is a sin then why gambler will play on their site. So, this type of system should be removed.

I highly agree with you on this but Casino or being a bookmaker is a business, so they have the right to implement a limitation that does not break the law to protect their business. They are not preventing you to cash out your winnings, are they? They are just limiting your bet to a certain amount.

Quote from: shasan on April 05, 2022, 05:23:28 AM

Could not understand what is the fault of ignoring offer of bonus and promotions??

The article stated it,

Quote from: https://www.gamblingsites.org/sports-betting/essentials/why-bookmakers-limit-accounts/

Another item that could have your account flagged as a potential professional gambler is if you completely ignore bonuses and promotional offers from a sportsbook. Let’s be honest, everyone likes free money! However, many professional gamblers won’t waste their time dealing with bonus offers. For them, they tend to come in knowing their exact game plan for bets, and they won’t monkey around with the promotional offers.

Even if not intentional, your lack of use when it comes to a site’s promotions might get your account limited or closed. By using at least an offer or two on your account, you should most likely be in good shape to not look like a professional gambler.

I also don't understand why professional gamblers should be limited but I think it all goes to the sportsbook need to gain not to lose profit.

The best way to arbitrate is to transfer the money earned in the so-called entertainment sites to Betfair or Pinnacle.so only deposits are made on these sites and the account is marked as profitable for them and the limits are constantly raised.of course games are there only when this line is not in the sites without limit.under consumer protection law in europe, sites are not allowed to impose a personal limit, but this is not yet the case.the goal of sites like Roobet is to limit the user's account as quickly as possible, which they think will be profitable

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