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February 05, 2015, 11:03:59 PM
#93
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The issue with allowing people to do...well whatever the choose with themselves is that most people don' have the knowledge(Well all people), to make the right decisions most of the time.
What is the right decision? Is there such a thing? Is it not simply a matter of getting high or not getting high and that neither are a right or wrong decision?

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We are bound by our own biology, so we cannot have 100% freewill, knowledge, freedom etc(If we did, then you extremist Libertarians would be right, but since we don't the vast majority of you are wrong).
I don't understand what you are trying to say, but you're of course welcome to explain. But I certainly don't think the idea of legal drugs is extremist. I think it was extremist to ban those drugs and brainwash society toward being against them, even to the point where now it's considered extremist simply to think that all drugs should be legal.

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An example is this: A uneducated person is persuaded by a peer to use Opium because in the short term it gives "benefits" such as relaxation, pain relief, reduced anxiety and impaired alertness and coordination. The person doesn't know any better because of his ignorance, so he goes ahead and takes the drug. Several years past and his body becomes more and more tolerant to the # of doses he has been taking, so he ups it continually, all the while his body becomes more tolerant and he is severely addicted(A wide variety of "hardcore" drugs are extremely addicting, to the point that after a certain period of time using them, your body physically depends on the drug or you will go into withdrawal and possibly die). The person gets to the point that he gets cancer, heart attack, has an overdose, and dozens more(A lot of which are fatal).
It's life; whatever happens happens. A lot of people live into old age with opiate addictions, by the way. The problems arise from lack of availability. Hence, why some governments supply heroin to addicts and help them find addict-friendly jobs.

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Overall, my point is that people are not limitless creatures that know all there is(such as the effects or outcomes of doing this and that, etc), so, there has to be certain rules that people must generally abide by, or risk destruction of themselves and communities, so no, drugs should not be legal(mostly because of the dependency/highly addictive part, where after certain longterm use your body physically depends on the drug).
The people who set the rules are people too. And generally, the highest IQ people don't have much to do with making those rules, since they gravitate toward professions other than politics. Do you have so little trust in your own mind as to rely on rules created by people who don't even know you and probably don't even care about you?
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February 05, 2015, 10:53:50 PM
#92
on a German news site it said that the entire hitman stuff was all sting ops from FBI agents

not sure if it was a mistranslation? Did he actively attempt to hire a hitman and the "hitman" was an agent? Or was the ENTIRE hitman hiring process initiated and designed by the FBI?

In other words, would DPR have tried to hire a hitman at all, if the FBI would not have been involved?

There are 2 separate hitman incidents.

The friendlychemist/redandwhite/nipplesuckcanuck situation had nothing to do with the FBI, and the authorities can not find any murders related to these 5 alleged/attempted hits or even any names to match anyone in this scenario, but here is the address Ross sent the bitcoins to for these hits https://blockchain.info/address/1MwvS1idEevZ5gd428TjL3hB2kHaBH9WTL  Not sure what the 2,555 btc is but the 3,000 is for nipplesuckcanuck and roommates and the 1,670 is for friendlychemist.

The other incident involved an FBI agent who was posing as a drug dealer on silk road. Eventually Ross asked him to kill an employee who was arrested and had stolen funds from silk road. The FBI staged the torture/murder of this person and was paid 80k from Ross.

So the truthful and honest FBI say!!!! Lol

So do the chat logs on the computer he was using and logged into silk road as DPR when he got arrested.

No wait, I'm sorry, Karpeles put those in there via torrent while he was downloading the colbert report.
This evidence is certainly damming, however you need to remember how the FBI ultimately came into possession of this information. They essentially hacked into silk road servers via some kind of exploit and was likely unconstitutional
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February 05, 2015, 10:47:14 PM
#91
on a German news site it said that the entire hitman stuff was all sting ops from FBI agents

not sure if it was a mistranslation? Did he actively attempt to hire a hitman and the "hitman" was an agent? Or was the ENTIRE hitman hiring process initiated and designed by the FBI?

In other words, would DPR have tried to hire a hitman at all, if the FBI would not have been involved?

There are 2 separate hitman incidents.

The friendlychemist/redandwhite/nipplesuckcanuck situation had nothing to do with the FBI, and the authorities can not find any murders related to these 5 alleged/attempted hits or even any names to match anyone in this scenario, but here is the address Ross sent the bitcoins to for these hits https://blockchain.info/address/1MwvS1idEevZ5gd428TjL3hB2kHaBH9WTL  Not sure what the 2,555 btc is but the 3,000 is for nipplesuckcanuck and roommates and the 1,670 is for friendlychemist.

The other incident involved an FBI agent who was posing as a drug dealer on silk road. Eventually Ross asked him to kill an employee who was arrested and had stolen funds from silk road. The FBI staged the torture/murder of this person and was paid 80k from Ross.

So the truthful and honest FBI say!!!! Lol

So do the chat logs on the computer he was using and logged into silk road as DPR when he got arrested.

No wait, I'm sorry, Karpeles put those in there via torrent while he was downloading the colbert report.

The FBI are the biggest drug runners in the world bar none! Seriously, and they use guns to make sure it stays that way! They cause more deaths around the world than anyone else because of this! Not to mention the fear that is created from their bullshit! Anyone who listens to Ross knows he is the complete opposite! And he created genuine compitition! Governments, alphabet agencies and banksters don't like competition! Only thing he did wrong is opsec!

Uhh...do you have concrete proof? Otherwise this is just FUD
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February 05, 2015, 08:28:49 PM
#90
on a German news site it said that the entire hitman stuff was all sting ops from FBI agents

not sure if it was a mistranslation? Did he actively attempt to hire a hitman and the "hitman" was an agent? Or was the ENTIRE hitman hiring process initiated and designed by the FBI?

In other words, would DPR have tried to hire a hitman at all, if the FBI would not have been involved?

There are 2 separate hitman incidents.

The friendlychemist/redandwhite/nipplesuckcanuck situation had nothing to do with the FBI, and the authorities can not find any murders related to these 5 alleged/attempted hits or even any names to match anyone in this scenario, but here is the address Ross sent the bitcoins to for these hits https://blockchain.info/address/1MwvS1idEevZ5gd428TjL3hB2kHaBH9WTL  Not sure what the 2,555 btc is but the 3,000 is for nipplesuckcanuck and roommates and the 1,670 is for friendlychemist.

The other incident involved an FBI agent who was posing as a drug dealer on silk road. Eventually Ross asked him to kill an employee who was arrested and had stolen funds from silk road. The FBI staged the torture/murder of this person and was paid 80k from Ross.

So the truthful and honest FBI say!!!! Lol

So do the chat logs on the computer he was using and logged into silk road as DPR when he got arrested.

No wait, I'm sorry, Karpeles put those in there via torrent while he was downloading the colbert report.

The FBI are the biggest drug runners in the world bar none! Seriously, and they use guns to make sure it stays that way! They cause more deaths around the world than anyone else because of this! Not to mention the fear that is created from their bullshit! Anyone who listens to Ross knows he is the complete opposite! And he created genuine compitition! Governments, alphabet agencies and banksters don't like competition! Only thing he did wrong is opsec!
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February 05, 2015, 08:23:59 PM
#89
on a German news site it said that the entire hitman stuff was all sting ops from FBI agents

not sure if it was a mistranslation? Did he actively attempt to hire a hitman and the "hitman" was an agent? Or was the ENTIRE hitman hiring process initiated and designed by the FBI?

In other words, would DPR have tried to hire a hitman at all, if the FBI would not have been involved?

No he didn't, he wasn't able to form a proper defence either! The legal system (not law) is run by the mafia. Its not there for us lowlly sheep.

The hitman thing isn't even apart of the trial but its all that's mentioned on msm sites. This is what they do to get public support. They have no remorse or guilt so lieing is easy for them. They are phycopaths! Phycopaths are very competent and clever people (Fred west etc etc).

The hitman stuff gets all the press, but that's because it was silk road business and it was mentioned in the chat logs and journal on Ross's computer and was able to counter the defense claim that he wasn't in charge of silk road at the time.

Look, the drug laws need to be looked at, and I'm sure some people get railroaded for some things, but find a new battle to fight, he literally got caught red handed.
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February 05, 2015, 08:19:40 PM
#88
on a German news site it said that the entire hitman stuff was all sting ops from FBI agents

not sure if it was a mistranslation? Did he actively attempt to hire a hitman and the "hitman" was an agent? Or was the ENTIRE hitman hiring process initiated and designed by the FBI?

In other words, would DPR have tried to hire a hitman at all, if the FBI would not have been involved?

There are 2 separate hitman incidents.

The friendlychemist/redandwhite/nipplesuckcanuck situation had nothing to do with the FBI, and the authorities can not find any murders related to these 5 alleged/attempted hits or even any names to match anyone in this scenario, but here is the address Ross sent the bitcoins to for these hits https://blockchain.info/address/1MwvS1idEevZ5gd428TjL3hB2kHaBH9WTL  Not sure what the 2,555 btc is but the 3,000 is for nipplesuckcanuck and roommates and the 1,670 is for friendlychemist.

The other incident involved an FBI agent who was posing as a drug dealer on silk road. Eventually Ross asked him to kill an employee who was arrested and had stolen funds from silk road. The FBI staged the torture/murder of this person and was paid 80k from Ross.

So the truthful and honest FBI say!!!! Lol

So do the chat logs on the computer he was using and logged into silk road as DPR when he got arrested.

No wait, I'm sorry, Karpeles put those in there via torrent while he was downloading the colbert report.
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February 05, 2015, 08:14:41 PM
#87
on a German news site it said that the entire hitman stuff was all sting ops from FBI agents

not sure if it was a mistranslation? Did he actively attempt to hire a hitman and the "hitman" was an agent? Or was the ENTIRE hitman hiring process initiated and designed by the FBI?

In other words, would DPR have tried to hire a hitman at all, if the FBI would not have been involved?

There are 2 separate hitman incidents.

The friendlychemist/redandwhite/nipplesuckcanuck situation had nothing to do with the FBI, and the authorities can not find any murders related to these 5 alleged/attempted hits or even any names to match anyone in this scenario, but here is the address Ross sent the bitcoins to for these hits https://blockchain.info/address/1MwvS1idEevZ5gd428TjL3hB2kHaBH9WTL  Not sure what the 2,555 btc is but the 3,000 is for nipplesuckcanuck and roommates and the 1,670 is for friendlychemist.

The other incident involved an FBI agent who was posing as a drug dealer on silk road. Eventually Ross asked him to kill an employee who was arrested and had stolen funds from silk road. The FBI staged the torture/murder of this person and was paid 80k from Ross.

So the truthful and honest FBI say!!!! Lol
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February 05, 2015, 08:13:27 PM
#86

video of his parents speaking after the trial, sad times from many angles

http://youtu.be/vkAgG6NhWVQ

Sad times because they have to say byebye to their millions.  Sad Sad Sad
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February 05, 2015, 08:12:07 PM
#85
on a German news site it said that the entire hitman stuff was all sting ops from FBI agents

not sure if it was a mistranslation? Did he actively attempt to hire a hitman and the "hitman" was an agent? Or was the ENTIRE hitman hiring process initiated and designed by the FBI?

In other words, would DPR have tried to hire a hitman at all, if the FBI would not have been involved?

No he didn't, he wasn't able to form a proper defence either! The legal system (not law) is run by the mafia. Its not there for us lowlly sheep.

The hitman thing isn't even apart of the trial but its all that's mentioned on msm sites. This is what they do to get public support. They have no remorse or guilt so lieing is easy for them. They are phycopaths! Phycopaths are very competent and clever people (Fred west etc etc).
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February 05, 2015, 05:43:44 PM
#84

video of his parents speaking after the trial, sad times from many angles

http://youtu.be/vkAgG6NhWVQ
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February 05, 2015, 05:23:42 PM
#83
on a German news site it said that the entire hitman stuff was all sting ops from FBI agents

not sure if it was a mistranslation? Did he actively attempt to hire a hitman and the "hitman" was an agent? Or was the ENTIRE hitman hiring process initiated and designed by the FBI?

In other words, would DPR have tried to hire a hitman at all, if the FBI would not have been involved?

There are 2 separate hitman incidents.

The friendlychemist/redandwhite/nipplesuckcanuck situation had nothing to do with the FBI, and the authorities can not find any murders related to these 5 alleged/attempted hits or even any names to match anyone in this scenario, but here is the address Ross sent the bitcoins to for these hits https://blockchain.info/address/1MwvS1idEevZ5gd428TjL3hB2kHaBH9WTL  Not sure what the 2,555 btc is but the 3,000 is for nipplesuckcanuck and roommates and the 1,670 is for friendlychemist.

The other incident involved an FBI agent who was posing as a drug dealer on silk road. Eventually Ross asked him to kill an employee who was arrested and had stolen funds from silk road. The FBI staged the torture/murder of this person and was paid 80k from Ross.
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February 05, 2015, 05:14:18 PM
#82
In America, Canada and the U.K., the law is, let your accuser get on the stand and validate that you did wrong through oath or affirmation, speaking it into the record. Wrong doing doesn't include breaking some Law Code of the government except if you have a signed contract to obey that Law Code. Wrongdoing only includes harming a person with actual harm, damaging a person's property with actual damage, or breaking a signed contract where you have explicitly agreed to the terms of the contract.

Millions of Americans are in jail in America simply because they unwittingly and unknowingly made a contract with government when, at their court trial, they affirmed that they were being represented by someone else (usually an attorney) or when they represented themselves. They did no wrong. They harmed nobody. They damaged no property. Nobody got up and accused them on the stand. They simply, accidentally, unknowingly, made a contract. They didn't even know that they made a contract. How can you see that they made a contract by being represented? You can see it in the question, "Why do I need representation? I am present!"

It's a trick, folks. It's a big trick perpetrated by government. When the courts try you under the representation contract, they find you guilty according to their rules, not according to any harm or damage that you may have done. Then they throw you into prison for smoking a joint, or for multitudes of kinds of petty little things that HARMED OR DAMAGED NOBODY.

Government people are way more your common crooks than Ross could ever imagine being even if he happened to be evil incarnate. Why? Because they constantly deny people their rights through ignorance of the law. And then they rob and jail and even murder their victims. And now Ross is one of their victims by this same methodology.

Consider. An attorney is first and foremost an officer of the court. The attorney doesn't owe you anything except that the court tells him he does. When he represents you, this is CONFLICT OF INTEREST. It is the way government is criminally acting against all the people of the land.


The one important word that is destroying our freedom in the courts is REPRESENTATION. If we weren't represented in the courts by an attorney or by ourselves, but rather, if we were present as a man or woman, most of the codes and laws wouldn't apply. Only harm, damage, or breaking a contract (which is harm or damage) would apply to us.

Smiley
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February 05, 2015, 05:05:56 PM
#81
I bet the jury still do not know what the F a Bitcoin is lolol
I'm sure you are 100% right, most if not all of the jury wouldn't have a clue what bitcoin is but this trail really didn't have much to do with understanding bitcoin.
It was a show trial about a new type of drug dealing, a kind that is safer for buyers and sellers alike who do have to risk getting shot, stabbed or just plain ripped off while buying what they wanted.

If this trial was about bitcoin then they would have let the BTC 'experts' talk.

If this is so much safer why did he try to arrange so many hits?
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February 05, 2015, 04:57:33 PM
#80
on a German news site it said that the entire hitman stuff was all sting ops from FBI agents

not sure if it was a mistranslation? Did he actively attempt to hire a hitman and the "hitman" was an agent? Or was the ENTIRE hitman hiring process initiated and designed by the FBI?

In other words, would DPR have tried to hire a hitman at all, if the FBI would not have been involved?
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February 05, 2015, 04:45:51 PM
#79
Good people will be sacrificed unfortunitly before the zombie nations wake up! So eBay, amazon etc should all be arrested for providing a service where people scam on it too! Paypal etc etc but we all know they have carte blanch don't we!

He never stood a chance as he was did allowed to use anything that would show why he did it. Just like princess Diana's enquiry which actually ruled the following cars (not paperazzi that the msm said) caused the unlawful death. Same shit over and over. You practically got no rights left and people still havnt woke up to the truth of what's going on.

And what's this do for dark markets? Fuck all! There's over 100 now and some of them are MUCH bigger than silkroad ever was lol. Just another martor and more peoples rights pissed down the drain. Do you realise anyone running a website now that the powers that be don't like now can be fucked over now? No, your too blind to understand that. Humans have used drugs since the beginning of man but since some power crazy fruit cakes says its bad (except the ones they say you can take) people follow like sheep!

Sad state of affairs indeed!

If Ross tried to hire a hitman, then yes he deserves the maximum sentence possible. If he did not try to hire a hitman, then I agree with you that it's a bit unfair, especially when he helped take drugs off the streets(where violence is common). My view is that the hitman case outcome is what will separate him from either being a simple website developer/admin or a murderer(attempted).
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February 05, 2015, 02:00:44 PM
#78
There were no murders...

He still tried to set them up. Had it not been a sting operation he could've actually carried out the murders for real so it's probably a good job he got caught this way.

Seriously! If you believe that shit you been watching to much TV(properganda)
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February 05, 2015, 01:58:22 PM
#77
This is what happens when you become an enemy of the state and they need to make an example. See my sig.

Excellent quote my friend, shame brainless zombies don't get how powerful and accurate some quotes are ;-)
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February 05, 2015, 01:57:24 PM
#76
There were no murders...

Attempted murder...According to the FBI's report.

That was for fancy headlines! They always do it! So people feel less towards the people they need out of the way!
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February 05, 2015, 01:56:25 PM
#75
there were undoubtedly many many people who's lives were destroyed through easier access to hardcore narcotics ... that IS harm ... law or not law ... technicality or not technicality ... *ethically* the guy should burn ... (assuming actual evidence exists linking his involvement which , of course, there was) ...
You are entitled to your opinion, but BTC users tend to be libertarian and thus think governmental babysitting such as banning drug use/drug dealing is immoral. I don't tell other ppl what to do w/ their bodies so would hope for the same in return. Banning drug use sounds like something out of a previous century.

The issue with allowing people to do...well whatever the choose with themselves is that most people don' have the knowledge(Well all people), to make the right decisions most of the time. We are bound by our own biology, so we cannot have 100% freewill, knowledge, freedom etc(If we did, then you extremist Libertarians would be right, but since we don't the vast majority of you are wrong).

An example is this: A uneducated person is persuaded by a peer to use Opium because in the short term it gives "benefits" such as relaxation, pain relief, reduced anxiety and impaired alertness and coordination. The person doesn't know any better because of his ignorance, so he goes ahead and takes the drug. Several years past and his body becomes more and more tolerant to the # of doses he has been taking, so he ups it continually, all the while his body becomes more tolerant and he is severely addicted(A wide variety of "hardcore" drugs are extremely addicting, to the point that after a certain period of time using them, your body physically depends on the drug or you will go into withdrawal and possibly die). The person gets to the point that he gets cancer, heart attack, has an overdose, and dozens more(A lot of which are fatal).

Overall, my point is that people are not limitless creatures that know all there is(such as the effects or outcomes of doing this and that, etc), so, there has to be certain rules that people must generally abide by, or risk destruction of themselves and communities, so no, drugs should not be legal(mostly because of the dependency/highly addictive part, where after certain longterm use your body physically depends on the drug).

Education is not schooling BTW. Schooling g is programming, you can only educate yourself!

I never let schooling get in the way of my education - mark twain
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February 05, 2015, 01:56:19 PM
#74
There were no murders...

He still tried to set them up. Had it not been a sting operation he could've actually carried out the murders for real so it's probably a good job he got caught this way.
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