Topic: Ross Ulbricht Guilty of Everything - page 7. (Read 6674 times)

This is just as bad as when Al Capone went to jail for avoiding paying taxes, because taxes are immoral.

While I do somewhat agree with your philosophy, it is unfortunately not how the law works. (how for example would a murder ever be found guilty if someone actually needs to come forward and claim they were harmed by the criminal).

Most laws, especially those that are serious crimes, are written so that when the law is broken, it is society as a whole that is damaged/harmed.

But he wasn't guilty of the most important thing. If he comes forward at the sentencing, not representing himself, and not being represented by anyone (attorney), but PRESENT as a man, he can still require that a harmed or damaged man or woman appear, and connect their harm or damage to him. If no man or woman comes forward to state harm or damage done by, or if it can't be shown that the harm or damage was connected to him, he gets off completely free. But he must state that with regard to the law and codes, he is incompetent. And he IS incompetent with regard to them. Why? Because he didn't write them, they are not written in plain English, he never agreed to them, so doesn't understand them (which means stand under them in legal language).

Without harm or damage of some human being that can be linked to you, these laws do not apply. If Ross doesn't do the above, he is convicting himself. That's all there is to it.



EDIT: This kind of application of law applies to everyone. The prisons would be empty if everyone did this. Attorneys would be out of a job. Bitcoin would flourish and the banking industry would die, if people simply understood that they can only be held liable for harming another person, damaging another person's property, or breach of contract.

http://voidjudgments.com/

http://www.myprivateaudio.com/Karl-Lentz.html

http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-127469/TS-939473.mp3

Well if what he was doing would be considered "hacking" then it could get thrown out because the government was unlawfully accessing the servers. I somewhat doubt that it was a simple misconfiguration because many people had attempted to find exploits in SR so I would have thought someone else would have discovered it

I bet the jury still do not know what the F a Bitcoin is lolol

According to the FBI guy who figured out the server location, the CAPTCHA on his login page leaked his real IP,  and didn't go through Tor, due to a misconfiguration boo-boo.

Whether this is the truth or a parallel construction is anyone's guess.

The judge didn't even rule on the merits of the motion to have the evidence excluded. She said that the defense attorney needed to hypothetically agree that Ross owned the servers in order to even "look" at the request. Although hypothetically agreeing to this could be used to impeach Ross's testimony in the event that he wanted to take the stand. She was effectively forcing him to decide if he wanted to testify prior to the trial ever starting.

If the verdict is overturned because of this or something else then the defense can put the guy who was doing the "hacking" of SR's servers on the stand to find out what exactly he was doing to get access to the servers. I don't think it was an accident that he did not testify.

That technicality about how they accessed the servers was the only thing that probably could've got him off but good luck proving that (if it even did happen).


He'll get life. They'll want to make an example out of him.


From what I read it seemed like he was just one of the initial suspects and I haven't seen what evidence if any they had for that (and seemingly neither did Ross and his lawyers other than just outright blaming him). The Feds probably initially just brainstormed who DPR could possibly as they has no idea at first and I'm sure there were lots of well known names included but it's not surprising that someone like Karpales was on there.

Actually the US government thought DPR was Karpeles, at first. The Defense just used US govs original theory.
"The DHS witness, agent Jared DerYeghiayan, reportedly claimed that Mark Karpeles, former CEO of the embattled bitcoin exchange Mt Gox, was once suspected to be the online black market's mastermind, Dread Pirate Roberts."
Here: http://www.coindesk.com/mt-gox-ceo-mark-karpeles-implicated-silk-road-trial/

How would you possibly know what the jury saw and heard in the courtroom?

Now that all is said and done, this really does appear to be nothing but a "show trial"

I have no idea if Ulbritch is guilty or not, and I don't see how the jury could either. What a farce.

Looks like they got their "straw man" anyway

I wasn't aware of this. Well this is why you never use a main address, especially when doing shady things (this even shows us more the need of encrypted emails).
Indeed. Even though I do not think that he was alone, trying to shift it on Karpales without any proof was pathetic just as you've said.
They could have come up with something better.
Not looking at the other part of the trial (due to the 'hiring of hitmen'), he will get way too much time for "just" running a drug website.

There have been several articles that I have read citing law experts, that have said there may be valid appeals. I would say the biggest one is the denying of the motion to suppress the evidence from the SR server in Iceland based on a technicality, other potential appeal avenues would include the denial of the ability of some of the defense witnesses to testify (also on technicalities) as well as potential lack of competent counsel.

And like most appeals they go nowhere, though I can't blame him for trying.

There will be an appeal. The trial is far from over.

I would be kicking myself or worse if that was me, think of all the money he made in that short time all he had to do was hand it over to his number 1 vendor who he trusted enough, take a few %  added to his millions a pretty good life waited for him.

Greed and stupidity is a killer or a life in jail er

Didn't he set up the site using his own email address and the first postings about it was on here using a screen name that was traced directly back to him?


They caught him red-handed, not to mention all the other evidence they had against him. He was fucked from the start, but the best they could come up with was pathetically trying to shift blame on to Karpales.

Murder for hire is a different case altogether, that case will be held in the state of Baltimore.

Sorry for being a bit out of date but is the "Murder-For-Hire" stuff going to go on in a later trial or is this it?

Yeah, taking all that cartel drug violence off the street and making personal drug use safer and taking away the profit motive from cartels... he's a monster!