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Mr. Donald just listens to what the crowd is shouting and uses his power to fulfill their demands. One man who should be released from prison is nothing compared to all those votes he secured with that promise.
Not exactly. Mr. Donald listens to what the crowd is shouting and uses this hype to increase his rating and strengthen his power. In the year when bitcoin is in the favor and recognition of the USA, any topic related to cryptocurrencies will go to PR of the USA, as loyal to crypto. The story with Ross is a purely political move, and not the fulfillment of demands for the sake of the crowd.

This freed man will bring him many more new votes, because this man is, in a sense, a symbol of the BTC-community (even if it has a negative connotation). You'll see, Ross will still be invited to the White House for a cup of tea. This topic will be exploited as long as it increases the president's rating.

Yes, he does whatever brings him votes and that's very sad. Populism is never a good idea because the crowd is never smart and following their directions will only lead to failure.
That's big politics. At that level, nothing is done without some benefit.

You are mistaken in thinking that politicians follow the crowd.
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Mr. Donald just listens to what the crowd is shouting and uses his power to fulfill their demands. One man who should be released from prison is nothing compared to all those votes he secured with that promise.
Yes, he does whatever brings him votes and that's very sad. Populism is never a good idea because the crowd is never smart and following their directions will only lead to failure.

Unfortunately, if the US is a mirror of the world in terms of democracy and human rights, then the world's moral compasses have completely gone haywire - because if people want to be led by a man who should spend a long time behind bars for everything he has done, then that is not something that should be considered normal.

What's even worse is that other leaders will see this as an incentive to do the same things - so why even have a judiciary and impose punishments, if there is one man who can overturn them with a single signature?
 
Still, this is not something the new president should be blamed for, because the one who is still in power is doing the same things - which means they are all the same, and the only difference is how well or poorly their brains function - because instead of young people leading the world, people who already have one foot in the grave are being appointed to positions.
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December 27, 2024, 10:34:41 PM
#73


He will break it, most probably. Trump will have a lot of things to do on "day one" if he fulfills his campaign promises. That includes commuting Ulbricht's sentence.

I don't trust politicians when they make promises. I don't trust them more if the promises are made when courting voters. It's an extreme case of naïveté if one believes in their promises while campaigning.

But, as always, they have a reason to justify their inaction, delays, or breaking of promises.


Even we sometimes break promises to our relatives and friends, so there is no need to be too upset or too harsh with the promises made by politicians. Nobody is perfect and as you said as the president of a country they have more important things to do than just focus on the not so big and not so important things. Instead, we should focus on bigger promises and more important issues. I believe crypto policy and his attitude towards the crypto industry are much more important than whether he commutes Ulbricht's sentence. So far, although he has not officially become president, but through the news we can see that he is actually more open to the crypto industry and that is a good sign for us. 

Just because he couldn't deliver on 1 or a few campaign promises doesn't mean he's a bad president, look at the big picture when it comes to politics.
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December 27, 2024, 10:13:42 PM
#72
What is the update on this speculation that the Donald will pardon Ross? Does everyone speculate that the Donald will keep this promise? This will be very headshaking and will be very much a comedy if he does not keep this promise hehehehe.

No surprise if that happens. I already predicted he'd break that promise.

He will break it, most probably. Trump will have a lot of things to do on "day one" if he fulfills his campaign promises. That includes commuting Ulbricht's sentence.

I don't trust politicians when they make promises. I don't trust them more if the promises are made when courting voters. It's an extreme case of naïveté if one believes in their promises while campaigning.

But, as always, they have a reason to justify their inaction, delays, or breaking of promises.
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December 27, 2024, 09:49:15 PM
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What is the update on this speculation that the Donald will pardon Ross? Does everyone speculate that the Donald will keep this promise? This will be very headshaking and will be very much a comedy if he does not keep this promise hehehehe.

No surprise if that happens. I already predicted he'd break that promise.


In any case, we already have another crypto pardon speculation! This is sleepy Joe will pardon the 2nd biggest political donor to the Democrats Sam Bankrupt Fraud heheheh. This will for certain be a comedy if this occurs.

No. Let him rot in prison.

Agreed that this will not be a surprise, however, I will admit that this will be very disappointing. I am declaring disappointment not because I like Ross or for Ross to be free. I will be disappointed because there will be no drama, comedy and action hehehehe.

I am also declaring disappointment if the sleepy Joe will not pardon Sam. I will give the same reason hehehe. I want drama, comedy and action, however, this pardon of Sam will very much be a comedy.
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December 27, 2024, 12:50:45 PM
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Maybe the people who want that man to be released from prison perceive the same man as some kind of fighter against the system or something similar - and what he did was definitely against the system and the law. This is a big absurdity, because it is undeniable that his "creation" made a lot of bad things possible, but it obviously doesn't matter to people (especially in the US) what that man did, because drugs, murders and weapons are something they live with every day.
I think that those people are very delusional. Yes, that man went against the system and the law but that doesn't mean it's a good thing. Laws aren't bad, they are necessary but the problem is that the government itself doesn't protect the law and many people find it irritating but that doesn't mean that we should obey those laws. He made website purely for generating millions of dollars through that marketplace. Was he checking each batch of drugs that were sold on his website? No, he simply didn't care. To my mind, drugs are the only thing that shouldn't be punishable but that's a different subject.
The government bans guns selling but does someone really think it's good if we obey that law? The less people have the gun, the better for everyone's safety. It was also possible to hire a hitman on his website. This guy was not a good guy, he definitely had serious mental problems and was super greedy. Even in illegal businesses, people should have some morale and rules.

Mr. Donald just listens to what the crowd is shouting and uses his power to fulfill their demands. One man who should be released from prison is nothing compared to all those votes he secured with that promise.
Yes, he does whatever brings him votes and that's very sad. Populism is never a good idea because the crowd is never smart and following their directions will only lead to failure.
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December 27, 2024, 07:54:42 AM
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I don't get it why so many people advocate for him. And don't understand ever more, why Trump wants to free him and why was that a positive promise during election.


Maybe the people who want that man to be released from prison perceive the same man as some kind of fighter against the system or something similar - and what he did was definitely against the system and the law. This is a big absurdity, because it is undeniable that his "creation" made a lot of bad things possible, but it obviously doesn't matter to people (especially in the US) what that man did, because drugs, murders and weapons are something they live with every day.

Mr. Donald just listens to what the crowd is shouting and uses his power to fulfill their demands. One man who should be released from prison is nothing compared to all those votes he secured with that promise.
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December 27, 2024, 03:20:57 AM
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i do find it funny that you think after winning the election the first thing you think trump wants to do is phone a family of a prisoner, when odds are the first thing he would rather do is phone up the nearest strip club and hire the top talent on the dance stage to celebrate with him
Lol😂.. Though it sounds funny, but you are absolutely right on what you just said above, regarding what the first thing Trump would do to phone of an alledge cyber criminal immediately after he gets sworn in as the 47th President of the United States of America in few weeks time, January 2025. Because we all know him been a man who loves enjoyment and probably own a private club in his residential home "Mar-a-Lago" in palm beach Florida will definitely hire top talent on the dance stage to celebrate with him, which is perfectly normal. But however, let's see what the outcome will be, as January 2025 is not far anymore.

ross wasnt just arrested for running a website.. and it wasnt about purely using bitcoin.. ross also had allegations of hiring hitmen and other illegal enterprises, so lets add this funny plot twist(for satire)
what if trump contacted ross(in prison) asking him to hire a hitman(in prison) to hit the kid(in prison) that attempted trumps assassination, whereby ross will get pardoned only if the deal is done by jan 5th
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December 27, 2024, 01:46:02 AM
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i do find it funny that you think after winning the election the first thing you think trump wants to do is phone a family of a prisoner, when odds are the first thing he would rather do is phone up the nearest strip club and hire the top talent on the dance stage to celebrate with him
Lol😂.. Though it sounds funny, but you are absolutely right on what you just said above, regarding what the first thing Trump would do to phone of an alledge cyber criminal immediately after he gets sworn in as the 47th President of the United States of America in few weeks time, January 2025. Because we all know him been a man who loves enjoyment and probably own a private club in his residential home "Mar-a-Lago" in palm beach Florida will definitely hire top talent on the dance stage to celebrate with him, which is perfectly normal. But however, let's see what the outcome will be, as January 2025 is not far anymore.
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December 27, 2024, 12:30:32 AM
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What is the update on this speculation that the Donald will pardon Ross? Does everyone speculate that the Donald will keep this promise? This will be very headshaking and will be very much a comedy if he does not keep this promise hehehehe.

No surprise if that happens. I already predicted he'd break that promise.


In any case, we already have another crypto pardon speculation! This is sleepy Joe will pardon the 2nd biggest political donor to the Democrats Sam Bankrupt Fraud heheheh. This will for certain be a comedy if this occurs.

No. Let him rot in prison.
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December 26, 2024, 11:48:24 PM
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What is the update on this speculation that the Donald will pardon Ross? Does everyone speculate that the Donald will keep this promise? This will be very headshaking and will be very much a comedy if he does not keep this promise hehehehe.

In any case, we already have another crypto pardon speculation! This is sleepy Joe will pardon the 2nd biggest political donor to the Democrats Sam Bankrupt Fraud heheheh. This will for certain be a comedy if this occurs.



Historically, political donors and their affiliates have received significant advantages in terms of convictions and pardon considerations. Take Marc Rich, for example. The infamous oil trader evaded at least $50 million in tax back in 2021.

However, Rich was pardoned by Clinton on his last day in office. The pardon was controversial because Rich’s ex-wife Denise was a major Democratic donor. She contributed significantly to Clinton’s presidential library and the Democratic National Committee.

Similarly. Paul Pogue, another convicted tax fraud, was pardoned by Donald Trump in 2020. Reports suggested that this was due to Pogue’s family donating over $200,000 to Trump’s campaign.

So, given the historical controversy of political donors being more likely to receive clemency, it wouldn’t be too far-fetched to assume that Sam Bankman-Fried might be on President Biden’s radar.


Read in full https://beincrypto.com/sam-bankman-fried-pardon-bidens-decision/
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November 13, 2024, 12:57:52 PM
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The site was used to sell drugs, but he was not the seller. He only allowed others to do it. If you don't understand what the whole fuss is about, the penalty for selling drugs as first offense is under 15 years.
The man got life for allowing other people to do it, which should carry a lower sentence, just like lending someone your gun so he can murder a person will get you a smaller sentence as if you did it yourself.
Why does it make him any less of a criminal? He created a marketplace where people were selling drugs, were hiring hitmen and were spreading a wrong adult content. He knew that his market was used for that purposes, it's not like he was a believer of free market and didn't have a clue about all the dark things that was happening on his website. Yes, freedom is good but that kind of freedom doesn't bring any good to the society.

If you lend a gun to a murderer and you know it, you are more criminal. That's how I perceive it.

While I get your point, he only created a website with the intent of launching a truly Free Market.  A truly Free Market means no Censorship and there should be no exception to the rule.  Otherwise it becomes not so Free.
And that's stupid. That's basically a market without laws. What do you think about absolutely free world where no one gets punished for killing anybody? Do you vouch for such a free world where there is an absolute freedom? I don't get it why so many people advocate for him. And don't understand ever more, why Trump wants to free him and why was that a positive promise during election.
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November 13, 2024, 08:08:45 AM
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Trump promised to free Ross Ulbricht months ago in a Bitcoin Conference 2024 in July this year.

President Trump Repeats Pledge to Free Ross Ulbricht (7/27/24)
Trump Pledges to Free Silk Road Creator Ross Ulbricht If Re-Elected

People thought that it is one of his tools to buy votes from Bitcoin community and maybe more cryptocurrency communities. We will know that he will actually free Ross Ulbricht after his Presidential Inauguration Ceremony in January 2025.

Trump can barely remember what he said minutes ago, much less what he said in July. I am sure there will be donors staying in touch with his handlers to remind them to put the papers on his desk. We're still waiting for Hillary to be locked up so I wouldn’t exactly be holding my breath expecting anything to happen. Campaign promises are worthless.

Politicians are mostly busy people, especially presidents and governors, That's why they have aides whose jobs is to remind them of things they ought to do. Trump is a great person and will make America great again.
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November 13, 2024, 01:17:58 AM
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But they probably

so you nor others know for a fact....
.. then its not a fact, thus not newsworthy to use them as a source of fact

they are just wishful thinking much like others based on (1) trump empty promise pledge (2) trump winning election

where they put 1+2 together and hoping it =3 when they are not realising (1) could be empty gesture of just ()=0


Ser, it's not that I got the "news" from a middleman. It's straight from the horse's mouth. In your personal opinion, OK, you can say that it might not be "newsworthy". BUT how can you actually say that it's not newsworthy for me or other people in BitcoinTalk?

It might be wishful thinking, or it might also be a phone call received from the president. This is what the Ulbricht Family said,

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ROSS IS COMING HOME IN JANUARY!!

We are so so grateful to @realDonaldTrump for his pledge to #FreeRoss and to all those who have supported us.


Why would they say that Ross is coming home in January if there wasn't an assurance from "someone"?

the family are not posting a tweet to say that trump has signed an order and its happening.. they are posting a tweet about the HOPE that he will fulfil the promise. they are reacting to election result not any signed executive order

again, take a reality check. trump has not signed any executive order, nor wrote any pardon, nor petitioned the prison/court to commute the sentence..
so he cant be guaranteeing the release

also the tweet makes no mention of any phone call to the family.. that is just your fantasy

all the family are doing is reacting to the election result.

i do find it funny that you think after winning the election the first thing you think trump wants to do is phone a family of a prisoner, when odds are the first thing he would rather do is phone up the nearest strip club and hire the top talent on the dance stage to celebrate with him
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November 12, 2024, 05:36:16 PM
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It was about time for this to happen after he spent 12 years in high security prison for creating a website.
It was not just a website... His site facilitated the sale of illegal drugs and other substances. He was fully aware of that and in fact built the site for that express purpose.

He deserves to remain in prison for the full terms of his sentence.

He made a website that allowed people to sell whatever illegal stuff they wanted to sell. He was aware of that, but does that mean that every person aware of a crime being committed should be charged for that crime? Let's say you know your neighbor is selling drugs and you do nothing. One day they knock on your door, he gets 10 years, you get 2 for not snitching. Would that be fair?

The way I see it, the sentence is too high, especially since first time offenders usually don't get life for similar crimes, even in the US.
Here in the EU if I were caught with drugs, I'd get suspended sentence. Caught selling? Probably a year if it's first time. Possibly an ankle monitor for a year, depending on the amount of drugs I'd have on me.
Caught selling a lot, like a truck full of drugs? That's 10 years maximum, no matter how much you're moving, as long as it's your first time.

Silk road actually carried out illegal business that led to the attention of FBI. Drugs trafficking is a terrible crime and building a website that facilitates the sell of hard substances and keeping them anonymous is breaking the law. But in Ross' case he received a greater punishment, placing him on 2 life sentences without Parole is an unfair judgement.

He deserves a chance. That's why his team have been fighting for his freedom. Also the thousands of Bitcoin seized on the site is also with the Authorities. If Trump pardons him, the Bitcoin community will quite appreciate his kind gesture.
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November 12, 2024, 03:46:17 PM
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It was about time for this to happen after he spent 12 years in high security prison for creating a website.
It was not just a website... His site facilitated the sale of illegal drugs and other substances. He was fully aware of that and in fact built the site for that express purpose.

He deserves to remain in prison for the full terms of his sentence.

He made a website that allowed people to sell whatever illegal stuff they wanted to sell. He was aware of that, but does that mean that every person aware of a crime being committed should be charged for that crime? Let's say you know your neighbor is selling drugs and you do nothing. One day they knock on your door, he gets 10 years, you get 2 for not snitching. Would that be fair?

The way I see it, the sentence is too high, especially since first time offenders usually don't get life for similar crimes, even in the US.
Here in the EU if I were caught with drugs, I'd get suspended sentence. Caught selling? Probably a year if it's first time. Possibly an ankle monitor for a year, depending on the amount of drugs I'd have on me.
Caught selling a lot, like a truck full of drugs? That's 10 years maximum, no matter how much you're moving, as long as it's your first time.
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November 12, 2024, 03:07:20 AM
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If Trump can get him out, then maybe all he promised during his campaign can happen, some of it probably. Gary Gensler's tenure will end this year or the next as I read in some comments. I guess it won't make a difference if he fires him or just lets him go in peace and finish his term.  

But yeah FREE Ross, 12 years seem too much for what he did. I'm starting to believe they are still trying to squeeze the private keys of Ross's wallet that's why he isn't pardoned.  Grin

That's the thing. Politicians are saying a lot when they are trying to be elected. It wouldn't be the first time some empty promises were made but once the election is over it's all forgotten.
Hopefully in this case Trump or whoever will have this decision to follow through will keep their word and make it happen. 12 years is more than enough for what happened there. Sure he did it, and that's a fact, but they way they handled the whole situation was very questionable, and I mean VERY.
Anyway, in around 2 months we and especially the Ulbricht family will know more. I hope all their hopes and prayers won't come crushing down.
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November 11, 2024, 05:56:36 AM
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Congratulations to Ross and the Ulbricht Family! After twelve years, ROSS can finally be with his loved ones, especially his MOTHER who has always been fighting for HIS freedom. Thanks to President Trump for keeping the most important pre-election promise for a person who was losing hope.

Bro.

Nothing has been done yet.

I want Ross to be free as much as the next guy, but hold off the celebrations until he actually gets pardoned.

I do not trust promises from Trump. I want to see this happen first before I celebrate.

(It might help that RFK Jr. the libertarian is in the cabinet now, so maybe he might remind Trump in case he forgets, but I will not jump to conclusions just yet.)
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November 11, 2024, 03:01:04 AM
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Congratulations to Ross and the Ulbricht Family! After twelve years, ROSS can finally be with his loved ones, especially his MOTHER who has always been fighting for HIS freedom. Thanks to President Trump for keeping the most important pre-election promise for a person who was losing hope.
January is in two months. It will be such a headline when he is out.

Next pre-election promise to keep - Fire Gary Gensler.
People have been questioning the intergrity of politicians to keep their campaign promises after they win, now Trump, has an opportunity to proof that he is a politician that keeps to his words. Although I don't think that there is an official pronouncement from the trump, team about the release of Ross Ulbricht, but we're hopeful that it will happen. Next stop for many bitcoiners is about Gary Gensler, but from what I understand his tenure is almost rounding up, so one way or another he'll be moving on soon. Our main concern as bitcoiners is for favorable regulations towards Bitcoin during Trump's administration. America, is like the big brother when it comes to global matters and their government being pro Bitcoin will go a long way for it globally.
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November 11, 2024, 02:31:16 AM
#56
But they probably

so you nor others know for a fact....
.. then its not a fact, thus not newsworthy to use them as a source of fact

they are just wishful thinking much like others based on (1) trump empty promise pledge (2) trump winning election

where they put 1+2 together and hoping it =3 when they are not realising (1) could be empty gesture of just ()=0


Ser, it's not that I got the "news" from a middleman. It's straight from the horse's mouth. In your personal opinion, OK, you can say that it might not be "newsworthy". BUT how can you actually say that it's not newsworthy for me or other people in BitcoinTalk?

It might be wishful thinking, or it might also be a phone call received from the president. This is what the Ulbricht Family said,

Quote

ROSS IS COMING HOME IN JANUARY!!

We are so so grateful to @realDonaldTrump for his pledge to #FreeRoss and to all those who have supported us.


Why would they say that Ross is coming home in January if there wasn't an assurance from "someone"?
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