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November 13, 2024, 12:57:52 PM
#64
The site was used to sell drugs, but he was not the seller. He only allowed others to do it. If you don't understand what the whole fuss is about, the penalty for selling drugs as first offense is under 15 years.
The man got life for allowing other people to do it, which should carry a lower sentence, just like lending someone your gun so he can murder a person will get you a smaller sentence as if you did it yourself.
Why does it make him any less of a criminal? He created a marketplace where people were selling drugs, were hiring hitmen and were spreading a wrong adult content. He knew that his market was used for that purposes, it's not like he was a believer of free market and didn't have a clue about all the dark things that was happening on his website. Yes, freedom is good but that kind of freedom doesn't bring any good to the society.

If you lend a gun to a murderer and you know it, you are more criminal. That's how I perceive it.

While I get your point, he only created a website with the intent of launching a truly Free Market.  A truly Free Market means no Censorship and there should be no exception to the rule.  Otherwise it becomes not so Free.
And that's stupid. That's basically a market without laws. What do you think about absolutely free world where no one gets punished for killing anybody? Do you vouch for such a free world where there is an absolute freedom? I don't get it why so many people advocate for him. And don't understand ever more, why Trump wants to free him and why was that a positive promise during election.
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November 13, 2024, 08:08:45 AM
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Trump promised to free Ross Ulbricht months ago in a Bitcoin Conference 2024 in July this year.

President Trump Repeats Pledge to Free Ross Ulbricht (7/27/24)
Trump Pledges to Free Silk Road Creator Ross Ulbricht If Re-Elected

People thought that it is one of his tools to buy votes from Bitcoin community and maybe more cryptocurrency communities. We will know that he will actually free Ross Ulbricht after his Presidential Inauguration Ceremony in January 2025.

Trump can barely remember what he said minutes ago, much less what he said in July. I am sure there will be donors staying in touch with his handlers to remind them to put the papers on his desk. We're still waiting for Hillary to be locked up so I wouldn’t exactly be holding my breath expecting anything to happen. Campaign promises are worthless.

Politicians are mostly busy people, especially presidents and governors, That's why they have aides whose jobs is to remind them of things they ought to do. Trump is a great person and will make America great again.
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November 13, 2024, 01:17:58 AM
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But they probably

so you nor others know for a fact....
.. then its not a fact, thus not newsworthy to use them as a source of fact

they are just wishful thinking much like others based on (1) trump empty promise pledge (2) trump winning election

where they put 1+2 together and hoping it =3 when they are not realising (1) could be empty gesture of just ()=0


Ser, it's not that I got the "news" from a middleman. It's straight from the horse's mouth. In your personal opinion, OK, you can say that it might not be "newsworthy". BUT how can you actually say that it's not newsworthy for me or other people in BitcoinTalk?

It might be wishful thinking, or it might also be a phone call received from the president. This is what the Ulbricht Family said,

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ROSS IS COMING HOME IN JANUARY!!

We are so so grateful to @realDonaldTrump for his pledge to #FreeRoss and to all those who have supported us.


Why would they say that Ross is coming home in January if there wasn't an assurance from "someone"?

the family are not posting a tweet to say that trump has signed an order and its happening.. they are posting a tweet about the HOPE that he will fulfil the promise. they are reacting to election result not any signed executive order

again, take a reality check. trump has not signed any executive order, nor wrote any pardon, nor petitioned the prison/court to commute the sentence..
so he cant be guaranteeing the release

also the tweet makes no mention of any phone call to the family.. that is just your fantasy

all the family are doing is reacting to the election result.

i do find it funny that you think after winning the election the first thing you think trump wants to do is phone a family of a prisoner, when odds are the first thing he would rather do is phone up the nearest strip club and hire the top talent on the dance stage to celebrate with him
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November 12, 2024, 05:36:16 PM
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It was about time for this to happen after he spent 12 years in high security prison for creating a website.
It was not just a website... His site facilitated the sale of illegal drugs and other substances. He was fully aware of that and in fact built the site for that express purpose.

He deserves to remain in prison for the full terms of his sentence.

He made a website that allowed people to sell whatever illegal stuff they wanted to sell. He was aware of that, but does that mean that every person aware of a crime being committed should be charged for that crime? Let's say you know your neighbor is selling drugs and you do nothing. One day they knock on your door, he gets 10 years, you get 2 for not snitching. Would that be fair?

The way I see it, the sentence is too high, especially since first time offenders usually don't get life for similar crimes, even in the US.
Here in the EU if I were caught with drugs, I'd get suspended sentence. Caught selling? Probably a year if it's first time. Possibly an ankle monitor for a year, depending on the amount of drugs I'd have on me.
Caught selling a lot, like a truck full of drugs? That's 10 years maximum, no matter how much you're moving, as long as it's your first time.

Silk road actually carried out illegal business that led to the attention of FBI. Drugs trafficking is a terrible crime and building a website that facilitates the sell of hard substances and keeping them anonymous is breaking the law. But in Ross' case he received a greater punishment, placing him on 2 life sentences without Parole is an unfair judgement.

He deserves a chance. That's why his team have been fighting for his freedom. Also the thousands of Bitcoin seized on the site is also with the Authorities. If Trump pardons him, the Bitcoin community will quite appreciate his kind gesture.
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November 12, 2024, 03:46:17 PM
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It was about time for this to happen after he spent 12 years in high security prison for creating a website.
It was not just a website... His site facilitated the sale of illegal drugs and other substances. He was fully aware of that and in fact built the site for that express purpose.

He deserves to remain in prison for the full terms of his sentence.

He made a website that allowed people to sell whatever illegal stuff they wanted to sell. He was aware of that, but does that mean that every person aware of a crime being committed should be charged for that crime? Let's say you know your neighbor is selling drugs and you do nothing. One day they knock on your door, he gets 10 years, you get 2 for not snitching. Would that be fair?

The way I see it, the sentence is too high, especially since first time offenders usually don't get life for similar crimes, even in the US.
Here in the EU if I were caught with drugs, I'd get suspended sentence. Caught selling? Probably a year if it's first time. Possibly an ankle monitor for a year, depending on the amount of drugs I'd have on me.
Caught selling a lot, like a truck full of drugs? That's 10 years maximum, no matter how much you're moving, as long as it's your first time.
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November 12, 2024, 03:07:20 AM
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If Trump can get him out, then maybe all he promised during his campaign can happen, some of it probably. Gary Gensler's tenure will end this year or the next as I read in some comments. I guess it won't make a difference if he fires him or just lets him go in peace and finish his term.  

But yeah FREE Ross, 12 years seem too much for what he did. I'm starting to believe they are still trying to squeeze the private keys of Ross's wallet that's why he isn't pardoned.  Grin

That's the thing. Politicians are saying a lot when they are trying to be elected. It wouldn't be the first time some empty promises were made but once the election is over it's all forgotten.
Hopefully in this case Trump or whoever will have this decision to follow through will keep their word and make it happen. 12 years is more than enough for what happened there. Sure he did it, and that's a fact, but they way they handled the whole situation was very questionable, and I mean VERY.
Anyway, in around 2 months we and especially the Ulbricht family will know more. I hope all their hopes and prayers won't come crushing down.
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November 11, 2024, 05:56:36 AM
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Congratulations to Ross and the Ulbricht Family! After twelve years, ROSS can finally be with his loved ones, especially his MOTHER who has always been fighting for HIS freedom. Thanks to President Trump for keeping the most important pre-election promise for a person who was losing hope.

Bro.

Nothing has been done yet.

I want Ross to be free as much as the next guy, but hold off the celebrations until he actually gets pardoned.

I do not trust promises from Trump. I want to see this happen first before I celebrate.

(It might help that RFK Jr. the libertarian is in the cabinet now, so maybe he might remind Trump in case he forgets, but I will not jump to conclusions just yet.)
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November 11, 2024, 03:01:04 AM
#57
Congratulations to Ross and the Ulbricht Family! After twelve years, ROSS can finally be with his loved ones, especially his MOTHER who has always been fighting for HIS freedom. Thanks to President Trump for keeping the most important pre-election promise for a person who was losing hope.
January is in two months. It will be such a headline when he is out.

Next pre-election promise to keep - Fire Gary Gensler.
People have been questioning the intergrity of politicians to keep their campaign promises after they win, now Trump, has an opportunity to proof that he is a politician that keeps to his words. Although I don't think that there is an official pronouncement from the trump, team about the release of Ross Ulbricht, but we're hopeful that it will happen. Next stop for many bitcoiners is about Gary Gensler, but from what I understand his tenure is almost rounding up, so one way or another he'll be moving on soon. Our main concern as bitcoiners is for favorable regulations towards Bitcoin during Trump's administration. America, is like the big brother when it comes to global matters and their government being pro Bitcoin will go a long way for it globally.
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November 11, 2024, 02:31:16 AM
#56
But they probably

so you nor others know for a fact....
.. then its not a fact, thus not newsworthy to use them as a source of fact

they are just wishful thinking much like others based on (1) trump empty promise pledge (2) trump winning election

where they put 1+2 together and hoping it =3 when they are not realising (1) could be empty gesture of just ()=0


Ser, it's not that I got the "news" from a middleman. It's straight from the horse's mouth. In your personal opinion, OK, you can say that it might not be "newsworthy". BUT how can you actually say that it's not newsworthy for me or other people in BitcoinTalk?

It might be wishful thinking, or it might also be a phone call received from the president. This is what the Ulbricht Family said,

Quote

ROSS IS COMING HOME IN JANUARY!!

We are so so grateful to @realDonaldTrump for his pledge to #FreeRoss and to all those who have supported us.


Why would they say that Ross is coming home in January if there wasn't an assurance from "someone"?
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November 10, 2024, 11:27:15 AM
#55
But they probably

so you nor others know for a fact....
.. then its not a fact, thus not newsworthy to use them as a source of fact

they are just wishful thinking much like others based on (1) trump empty promise pledge (2) trump winning election

where they put 1+2 together and hoping it =3 when they are not realising (1) could be empty gesture of just ()=0
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November 10, 2024, 08:07:22 AM
#54
Congratulations to Ross and the Ulbricht Family! After twelve years, ROSS can finally be with his loved ones, especially his MOTHER who has always been fighting for HIS freedom. Thanks to President Trump for keeping the most important pre-election promise for a person who was losing hope.

Could you please refer to any print media? I don't want to rely on tweets right now. I don't want to rely on just promises. I want to see Ross free and then I will believe what they have said. It's 10th November already and we are not too far. We will have to wait 50 more days if this is a piece of true news. But, before hoping for all this, I want to see some official statement from Trump.

I won't say I like Trump a lot. I do not like politicians. But if some of them help Bitcoin, help humanity, and help stop war, then they will have my support and love. I hope Trump will think about the war happening in the Middle East and other sides of the world.

Edit: Never mind. I found some news.


You don't need the "news". That post is directly from an account owned by some from Ross Ulbricht's family, perhaps his mother. It's straight from the horse's mouth. The "news" will come from what the Ulbricht Family will have to announce, and therefore if they announce that Ross is not coming home in January, then that's "new news".

But they probably received a call from Trump before they made the post in X.
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November 10, 2024, 04:58:24 AM
#53
At this point, Trump would have too much reputation to lose by not freeing him; Ross has too large a following for it to slide under the carpet.

So I think we can bet Ross will be free from hell in couple months.
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November 10, 2024, 01:33:30 AM
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Next pre-election promise to keep - Fire Gary Gensler.
I'm more excited on this one than Ross being released. Cheesy

Kidding aside, I'm excited with both events and when this happens, expect a surge in the price of Bitcoin and that includes the top altcoins as well. What I see now is that every fulfilled promise by Trump will have a positive effect towards Bitcoin hence, an increase in price might happen. Nevertheless, it's been 12 months since Ulbricht has been on jail.  On the flip side though, this is just a random tweet coming from a random handle hence, I'm not convinced that Ross will be released 2 months from now.

Although I believe that he will since Trump promised it, I guess it would be better if Trump himself, or some trusted officials out there will be the one who will make the tweet, right?

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November 10, 2024, 12:38:19 AM
#51
Congratulations to Ross and the Ulbricht Family! After twelve years, ROSS can finally be with his loved ones, especially his MOTHER who has always been fighting for HIS freedom. Thanks to President Trump for keeping the most important pre-election promise for a person who was losing hope.

Could you please refer to any print media? I don't want to rely on tweets right now. I don't want to rely on just promises. I want to see Ross free and then I will believe what they have said. It's 10th November already and we are not too far. We will have to wait 50 more days if this is a piece of true news. But, before hoping for all this, I want to see some official statement from Trump.

I won't say I like Trump a lot. I do not like politicians. But if some of them help Bitcoin, help humanity, and help stop war, then they will have my support and love. I hope Trump will think about the war happening in the Middle East and other sides of the world.

Edit: Never mind. I found some news.
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November 09, 2024, 11:12:04 PM
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about time!!
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November 09, 2024, 10:19:23 PM
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Even 12 years is FAR too much for these charges. Life imprisonment is totally ridiculous, and without parole even more.

Over the years, I shake my head whenever I see any "freeRoss" campaign. There are actually innocent people in the US prisons who are actually innocent. Not like all of them are innocent entirely for they're innocent of the crimes they're in prison for. Research has shown that 4-6% of prisoners in the US are innocent of their crimes and even if you don't believe in this percentage, you can't argue with the fact that there are actually people who have been imprisoned unfairly for rape and murder.
Where are there no campaigns for these people? Simply because they're not popular.

Agreed on the argument. However, he is being given more attention not because he is innocent, this is because the American government and the mainstream news media created a very big storyline about the Silkroad and Ross Ulbricht that he is the most evil devil from hell which clearly is fake news. The government created their own horror story.

Also on more people in prison that are innocent, do not bring race in the argument because this is not the fault of Ross. This is the fault of the American justice system.
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November 09, 2024, 02:29:51 PM
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Over the years, I shake my head whenever I see any "freeRoss" campaign. There are actually innocent people in the US prisons who are actually innocent.
Yes, this is a major problem too. There are lots of campaigns for these people, but here we're in a Bitcoin forum and thus here the focus is on Bitcoin-related issues.

Talking about reducing his sentence is one thing, releasing him is another and celebrating his release is a whole different thing.
Even if my preference indeed is that the draconian US sentences should be generally reduced (see last part of my other post), I don't see why one shouldn't be allowed to celebrate the release of a person convicted to an extreme sentence.

A release could actually raise awareness about the problem of extreme sentences. There is of course the danger that people concentrate too much on the single event (in this case Ulbricht's release), and thus I actually don't completely disagree with you on the matter. There should be a more general discussion about the issue.

It is because of people like these that Bitcoin has a bad name. This man created the Silk Road, which was used to trade all forms of illegal things anonymously, and all payments were made in Bitcoin. If anything, this alone should make the Bitcoin community against him because he's a bigger problem to Bitcoin than the politicians.
Silk Road had actually some terms of service: they didn't allow weapons, abuse imagery and items to defraud other people on the platform (stolen payment means etc.). Basically the main products were drugs. There are lots of countries currently re-evaluating if the drug ban makes sense if on the other side you have far more deaths due to tobacco and alcohol, which are among the most harmful drugs. One can also sustain the opinion that people who want to harm themselves should be allowed to and should not be criminalized.

So I don't think that really Ulbricht was the main reason for the "Bitcoin is for criminals" slogan. I believe malware has contritbuted a lot more to that perception. Bitcoin ransomware is a newer phenomenon and afaik malware was also not permitted on Silk Road (I never used that platform, just to clarify, just judging from media and forum discussions).

money laundry, distributing narcotics, computer hacking, and engaging in a criminal enterprise (in fact, he owned the criminal enterprise) should get you 15 to 20 years if we're being fair.
I disagree here. Sentences over 10 years should only exist for violent crime (murder, rape, mutilation, genocide ...). And in many countries this is actually the case, even if some also include treason and similar crimes into the "near-life sentence" crimes, which is also bad imo.

Would he be shown this much love if he wasn't white? I mean, will Trump give 2 shits about him if he was a black man? This was the same man who immediately put ads out in newspapers for the death penalty to be returned to the state immediately after the central pack five were arrested.
That's also why I don't have much hope that there will be really a discussion about the problem of extreme prison sentences under Trump, so I partly agree here. I generally don't believe the support for Ulbricht from Bitcoiners has racist origins though. He's just a quite well known figure.

Among the convictions he got, I see the worst one is with drug because drug addiction is always bad and it can destroy a person life, kill him or her and also brings lot of terrible effects to their families too.
There are lots of "legal" things which are much worse than illegal drugs, including "legal" drugs like alcohol and tobacco which kill literally millions per year and governments often even cooperate with the lobbyists of the companies making profits with these products. But that's just my personal opinion.
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November 09, 2024, 01:39:21 PM
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Congratulations to Ross and the Ulbricht Family! After twelve years, ROSS can finally be with his loved ones, especially his MOTHER who has always been fighting for HIS freedom. Thanks to President Trump for keeping the most important pre-election promise for a person who was losing hope.
Is this sarcasm or what? I don't see any official announcement where Ross Ulbricht will be released in January, it's just a hope for Donald Trump will release him.

Sarcasm from who? Me? Or the Ulbricht Family's post in X? It's not sarcasm from me, and why would the Ulbricht Family post that Ross is going home in January if they didn't believe that it will happen?
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The U.S. president-elect may have given the Ulbricht Family a call and assured them that Ross will be going home in January, no?
when it comes to politics, and their pre-elecct promises..  never celebrate a pledge until you see it happen
wait untill ross actually stands outside the prison before celebrating..

alot of trumps promises never came true in the past. trump has many times promised his investors that he was rich and successful, but then filed for bankruptcy.
even after pledging to build the wall, the wall is not complete 4 years later..

so if you want to pretend its a sure thing, and a sure thing to happen in january..  then you have too much faith in a fake tanned bleached hair old guy in politics

but lets see how many promises he actions or fails at, starting with how soon after the january 20th swearing in that it takes ross to get to see the outside of prison
(personally i dont see ross as a good face of bitcoin as im anti drug, anti hitman hiring.. but no one was murdered and he didnt personally use a needle in other peoples arms, so 12 years is a bit much for just running a service promoting drugs)

...

side note, it would be funny and a good poke if biden releases ross before january 20th just to make it so that it wasnt trump that got to do it,
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November 09, 2024, 01:03:40 PM
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It was about time for this to happen after he spent 12 years in high security prison for creating a website.
It was not just a website... His site facilitated the sale of illegal drugs and other substances. He was fully aware of that and in fact built the site for that express purpose.

He deserves to remain in prison for the full terms of his sentence.
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November 09, 2024, 12:58:33 PM
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Congratulations to Ross and the Ulbricht Family! After twelve years, ROSS can finally be with his loved ones, especially his MOTHER who has always been fighting for HIS freedom. Thanks to President Trump for keeping the most important pre-election promise for a person who was losing hope.
I hope this ends well for Ross, and it gives me a bit more confidence because this post was twitted from his account.
It was about time for this to happen after he spent 12 years in high security prison for creating a website.
However, I have reservations until I see official confirmation from officials and/or president.
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