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legendary
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November 11, 2024, 02:31:16 AM
#56
But they probably

so you nor others know for a fact....
.. then its not a fact, thus not newsworthy to use them as a source of fact

they are just wishful thinking much like others based on (1) trump empty promise pledge (2) trump winning election

where they put 1+2 together and hoping it =3 when they are not realising (1) could be empty gesture of just ()=0


Ser, it's not that I got the "news" from a middleman. It's straight from the horse's mouth. In your personal opinion, OK, you can say that it might not be "newsworthy". BUT how can you actually say that it's not newsworthy for me or other people in BitcoinTalk?

It might be wishful thinking, or it might also be a phone call received from the president. This is what the Ulbricht Family said,

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ROSS IS COMING HOME IN JANUARY!!

We are so so grateful to @realDonaldTrump for his pledge to #FreeRoss and to all those who have supported us.


Why would they say that Ross is coming home in January if there wasn't an assurance from "someone"?
legendary
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November 10, 2024, 11:27:15 AM
#55
But they probably

so you nor others know for a fact....
.. then its not a fact, thus not newsworthy to use them as a source of fact

they are just wishful thinking much like others based on (1) trump empty promise pledge (2) trump winning election

where they put 1+2 together and hoping it =3 when they are not realising (1) could be empty gesture of just ()=0
legendary
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November 10, 2024, 08:07:22 AM
#54
Congratulations to Ross and the Ulbricht Family! After twelve years, ROSS can finally be with his loved ones, especially his MOTHER who has always been fighting for HIS freedom. Thanks to President Trump for keeping the most important pre-election promise for a person who was losing hope.

Could you please refer to any print media? I don't want to rely on tweets right now. I don't want to rely on just promises. I want to see Ross free and then I will believe what they have said. It's 10th November already and we are not too far. We will have to wait 50 more days if this is a piece of true news. But, before hoping for all this, I want to see some official statement from Trump.

I won't say I like Trump a lot. I do not like politicians. But if some of them help Bitcoin, help humanity, and help stop war, then they will have my support and love. I hope Trump will think about the war happening in the Middle East and other sides of the world.

Edit: Never mind. I found some news.


You don't need the "news". That post is directly from an account owned by some from Ross Ulbricht's family, perhaps his mother. It's straight from the horse's mouth. The "news" will come from what the Ulbricht Family will have to announce, and therefore if they announce that Ross is not coming home in January, then that's "new news".

But they probably received a call from Trump before they made the post in X.
jr. member
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November 10, 2024, 04:58:24 AM
#53
At this point, Trump would have too much reputation to lose by not freeing him; Ross has too large a following for it to slide under the carpet.

So I think we can bet Ross will be free from hell in couple months.
legendary
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November 10, 2024, 01:33:30 AM
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Next pre-election promise to keep - Fire Gary Gensler.
I'm more excited on this one than Ross being released. Cheesy

Kidding aside, I'm excited with both events and when this happens, expect a surge in the price of Bitcoin and that includes the top altcoins as well. What I see now is that every fulfilled promise by Trump will have a positive effect towards Bitcoin hence, an increase in price might happen. Nevertheless, it's been 12 months since Ulbricht has been on jail.  On the flip side though, this is just a random tweet coming from a random handle hence, I'm not convinced that Ross will be released 2 months from now.

Although I believe that he will since Trump promised it, I guess it would be better if Trump himself, or some trusted officials out there will be the one who will make the tweet, right?

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November 10, 2024, 12:38:19 AM
#51
Congratulations to Ross and the Ulbricht Family! After twelve years, ROSS can finally be with his loved ones, especially his MOTHER who has always been fighting for HIS freedom. Thanks to President Trump for keeping the most important pre-election promise for a person who was losing hope.

Could you please refer to any print media? I don't want to rely on tweets right now. I don't want to rely on just promises. I want to see Ross free and then I will believe what they have said. It's 10th November already and we are not too far. We will have to wait 50 more days if this is a piece of true news. But, before hoping for all this, I want to see some official statement from Trump.

I won't say I like Trump a lot. I do not like politicians. But if some of them help Bitcoin, help humanity, and help stop war, then they will have my support and love. I hope Trump will think about the war happening in the Middle East and other sides of the world.

Edit: Never mind. I found some news.
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November 09, 2024, 11:12:04 PM
#50
about time!!
legendary
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November 09, 2024, 10:19:23 PM
#49
Even 12 years is FAR too much for these charges. Life imprisonment is totally ridiculous, and without parole even more.

Over the years, I shake my head whenever I see any "freeRoss" campaign. There are actually innocent people in the US prisons who are actually innocent. Not like all of them are innocent entirely for they're innocent of the crimes they're in prison for. Research has shown that 4-6% of prisoners in the US are innocent of their crimes and even if you don't believe in this percentage, you can't argue with the fact that there are actually people who have been imprisoned unfairly for rape and murder.
Where are there no campaigns for these people? Simply because they're not popular.

Agreed on the argument. However, he is being given more attention not because he is innocent, this is because the American government and the mainstream news media created a very big storyline about the Silkroad and Ross Ulbricht that he is the most evil devil from hell which clearly is fake news. The government created their own horror story.

Also on more people in prison that are innocent, do not bring race in the argument because this is not the fault of Ross. This is the fault of the American justice system.
legendary
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November 09, 2024, 02:29:51 PM
#48
Over the years, I shake my head whenever I see any "freeRoss" campaign. There are actually innocent people in the US prisons who are actually innocent.
Yes, this is a major problem too. There are lots of campaigns for these people, but here we're in a Bitcoin forum and thus here the focus is on Bitcoin-related issues.

Talking about reducing his sentence is one thing, releasing him is another and celebrating his release is a whole different thing.
Even if my preference indeed is that the draconian US sentences should be generally reduced (see last part of my other post), I don't see why one shouldn't be allowed to celebrate the release of a person convicted to an extreme sentence.

A release could actually raise awareness about the problem of extreme sentences. There is of course the danger that people concentrate too much on the single event (in this case Ulbricht's release), and thus I actually don't completely disagree with you on the matter. There should be a more general discussion about the issue.

It is because of people like these that Bitcoin has a bad name. This man created the Silk Road, which was used to trade all forms of illegal things anonymously, and all payments were made in Bitcoin. If anything, this alone should make the Bitcoin community against him because he's a bigger problem to Bitcoin than the politicians.
Silk Road had actually some terms of service: they didn't allow weapons, abuse imagery and items to defraud other people on the platform (stolen payment means etc.). Basically the main products were drugs. There are lots of countries currently re-evaluating if the drug ban makes sense if on the other side you have far more deaths due to tobacco and alcohol, which are among the most harmful drugs. One can also sustain the opinion that people who want to harm themselves should be allowed to and should not be criminalized.

So I don't think that really Ulbricht was the main reason for the "Bitcoin is for criminals" slogan. I believe malware has contritbuted a lot more to that perception. Bitcoin ransomware is a newer phenomenon and afaik malware was also not permitted on Silk Road (I never used that platform, just to clarify, just judging from media and forum discussions).

money laundry, distributing narcotics, computer hacking, and engaging in a criminal enterprise (in fact, he owned the criminal enterprise) should get you 15 to 20 years if we're being fair.
I disagree here. Sentences over 10 years should only exist for violent crime (murder, rape, mutilation, genocide ...). And in many countries this is actually the case, even if some also include treason and similar crimes into the "near-life sentence" crimes, which is also bad imo.

Would he be shown this much love if he wasn't white? I mean, will Trump give 2 shits about him if he was a black man? This was the same man who immediately put ads out in newspapers for the death penalty to be returned to the state immediately after the central pack five were arrested.
That's also why I don't have much hope that there will be really a discussion about the problem of extreme prison sentences under Trump, so I partly agree here. I generally don't believe the support for Ulbricht from Bitcoiners has racist origins though. He's just a quite well known figure.

Among the convictions he got, I see the worst one is with drug because drug addiction is always bad and it can destroy a person life, kill him or her and also brings lot of terrible effects to their families too.
There are lots of "legal" things which are much worse than illegal drugs, including "legal" drugs like alcohol and tobacco which kill literally millions per year and governments often even cooperate with the lobbyists of the companies making profits with these products. But that's just my personal opinion.
legendary
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November 09, 2024, 01:39:21 PM
#47
Congratulations to Ross and the Ulbricht Family! After twelve years, ROSS can finally be with his loved ones, especially his MOTHER who has always been fighting for HIS freedom. Thanks to President Trump for keeping the most important pre-election promise for a person who was losing hope.
Is this sarcasm or what? I don't see any official announcement where Ross Ulbricht will be released in January, it's just a hope for Donald Trump will release him.

Sarcasm from who? Me? Or the Ulbricht Family's post in X? It's not sarcasm from me, and why would the Ulbricht Family post that Ross is going home in January if they didn't believe that it will happen?
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The U.S. president-elect may have given the Ulbricht Family a call and assured them that Ross will be going home in January, no?
when it comes to politics, and their pre-elecct promises..  never celebrate a pledge until you see it happen
wait untill ross actually stands outside the prison before celebrating..

alot of trumps promises never came true in the past. trump has many times promised his investors that he was rich and successful, but then filed for bankruptcy.
even after pledging to build the wall, the wall is not complete 4 years later..

so if you want to pretend its a sure thing, and a sure thing to happen in january..  then you have too much faith in a fake tanned bleached hair old guy in politics

but lets see how many promises he actions or fails at, starting with how soon after the january 20th swearing in that it takes ross to get to see the outside of prison
(personally i dont see ross as a good face of bitcoin as im anti drug, anti hitman hiring.. but no one was murdered and he didnt personally use a needle in other peoples arms, so 12 years is a bit much for just running a service promoting drugs)

...

side note, it would be funny and a good poke if biden releases ross before january 20th just to make it so that it wasnt trump that got to do it,
legendary
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November 09, 2024, 01:03:40 PM
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It was about time for this to happen after he spent 12 years in high security prison for creating a website.
It was not just a website... His site facilitated the sale of illegal drugs and other substances. He was fully aware of that and in fact built the site for that express purpose.

He deserves to remain in prison for the full terms of his sentence.
legendary
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November 09, 2024, 12:58:33 PM
#45
Congratulations to Ross and the Ulbricht Family! After twelve years, ROSS can finally be with his loved ones, especially his MOTHER who has always been fighting for HIS freedom. Thanks to President Trump for keeping the most important pre-election promise for a person who was losing hope.
I hope this ends well for Ross, and it gives me a bit more confidence because this post was twitted from his account.
It was about time for this to happen after he spent 12 years in high security prison for creating a website.
However, I have reservations until I see official confirmation from officials and/or president.
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November 09, 2024, 12:40:44 PM
#44
We can say Trump is a man of his words

I wish this was true, however during his first election campaign he praised many people such as Wikileak's Julian Assange but never pardoned them. He also never pardoned Edward Snowden although he revealed the secret operations of what they refer to as the "deep state", and which Trump's team claim they despise.
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November 09, 2024, 11:22:36 AM
#43
Maybe this article would give information regarding on his situation https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2024/11/08/cybercriminal-ross-ulbrichts-family-says-hell-be-freed-in-january-heres-what-we-know/

Now people wait for that promise to happen and we maybe could see if that promise is true if we able to hear another news that Ulbricht is finally out of the prison.

To many promise made by Trump and let see if he could able to make this one to happen.
Ross Ulbricht family have reasons to believe in Trump's promise and keep up their hope. Trump has yet taken over the White House and in about 70 more days, he will be there after his Presidential Inauguration.

Will Ross Ulbricht be actually freed out of prison next year in January or even later months?

Soon we will know about it and I remember that in one rally, Trump said with a man (maybe a dad) of a dead soldier, that he will lead investigation on reasons behind that death. But he emphasized that he will not do it on Day One, because he already had a lot of things for Day One. Let's wait for what Trump will do and how many promises he will keep to complete for his supporters in many rallies before the Election.
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November 09, 2024, 08:16:57 AM
#42
Is this sarcasm or what? I don't see any official announcement where Ross Ulbricht will be released in January, it's just a hope for Donald Trump will release him.

Next pre-election promise to keep - Fire Gary Gensler.
It's not easy as that if you read this article https://fortune.com/crypto/2024/08/06/trump-says-he-would-fire-sec-chair-gary-gensler-on-day-one-its-not-that-easy/

I think Gary Gensler didn't make a fatal mistake which can bring him to get fired instantly, high likely Trump will say it's under progress and we have to wait for few years.

Maybe this article would give information regarding on his situation https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2024/11/08/cybercriminal-ross-ulbrichts-family-says-hell-be-freed-in-january-heres-what-we-know/

Now people wait for that promise to happen and we maybe could see if that promise is true if we able to hear another news that Ulbricht is finally out of the prison.

To many promise made by Trump and let see if he could able to make this one to happen.
legendary
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November 09, 2024, 08:06:42 AM
#41
Is this sarcasm or what? I don't see any official announcement where Ross Ulbricht will be released in January, it's just a hope for Donald Trump will release him.


Sarcasm from who? Me? Or the Ulbricht Family's post in X? It's not sarcasm from me, and why would the Ulbricht Family post that Ross is going home in January if they didn't believe that it will happen?

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The U.S. president-elect may have given the Ulbricht Family a call and assured them that Ross will be going home in January, no?
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November 09, 2024, 07:49:37 AM
#40
If Trump really releases Ross, Bitcoin will soar.      Cool
No doubt about that and I feel all this promises he's trying to fulfill is a strategic attempt to make people forget or not pay too much attention if he doesn't get to be able to finish the rest of his campaign promises.
legendary
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November 09, 2024, 07:43:20 AM
#39
For me, even though Donald Trump promised to release him but i feel that his charges are too severe for the government to consider granting him pardon and besides, people are just exaggerating about his possible release in January when Donald Trump will be inaugurated but we should also have it in mind that it's not all campaign promises that will be kept. Finger crossed till January... But whether he is released or not, it doesn't call for overexcitement.

Before Trump promised to commute the jail term of  Ross Ulbricht, I am sure he was aware of his crime. I don't think he deserves the punishment and I know it will not be a big deal to get him out if Trump has the willpower to do it. The process of getting him released might take some time, so we might not be expecting him released by January. We expect Trump to keep his promise and start the process as soon as possible.     
legendary
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November 09, 2024, 03:58:21 AM
#38
Looks like that tweet expect Trump will deliver his promise, rather than it'll happen in January. After all, https://freeross.org/ doesn't make any statement about it.

Even 12 years is FAR too much for these charges. Life imprisonment is totally ridiculous, and without parole even more.

Over the years, I shake my head whenever I see any "freeRoss" campaign. There are actually innocent people in the US prisons who are actually innocent. Not like all of them are innocent entirely for they're innocent of the crimes they're in prison for. Research has shown that 4-6% of prisoners in the US are innocent of their crimes and even if you don't believe in this percentage, you can't argue with the fact that there are actually people who have been imprisoned unfairly for rape and murder.
Where are there no campaigns for these people? Simply because they're not popular.
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Actually there are campaign and organization which specifically aim to free those innocent people. If you use keyword such as "organization wrongfully convicted" on Google, you can find few of those. Although i admit mention those are less frequently discussed or supported on social media.
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November 09, 2024, 03:04:57 AM
#37
Firstly, this thread is supposed to be moved to the politics and society section of the forum because even though Silk Road was used by Ross Ulbricht as a medium to make bitcoin transactions on the site but i don't think that this discussion is related to bitcoin but rather about a probable pardon that Donald Trump want to give to Ross William Ulbricht after he has already spent 12 years in prison upon being convicted to double life imprisonment including 40 years jail term.

For me, even though Donald Trump promised to release him but i feel that his charges are too severe for the government to consider granting him pardon and besides, people are just exaggerating about his possible release in January when Donald Trump will be inaugurated but we should also have it in mind that it's not all campaign promises that will be kept. Finger crossed till January... But whether he is released or not, it doesn't call for overexcitement.
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