Disclaimer: I've been in contact with Royse777 on Telegram in the past days. Part of what I'm typing here, I've said to him already.
To me, it sounds like "Lucy" got the idea to create a casino without having funding for a bankroll and promotion. I've seen people like that, also in real life. Typically, the promises keep piling up and it's always "tomorrow" or "in a few days" to keep you waiting without coming through. People like that can be very convincing, and I've seen many people fall for that for a long time. By the time they've had enough, others get stuck in the same web of lies and it continues to make new victims.
For what it's worth: I believe you (Royse777) didn't have bad intentions. But I also believe you messed up big time by not seeing the red flags. If a campaign can't be paid up-front, and if the campaign manager has to pay for things out of his own pocket, you can bet there's no money in the casino. The moment the campaign couldn't be paid should have been the moment to put the campaign on HOLD. As an experienced campaign manager, you should have seen the red flags. By continuing the promotion with your forum reputation tied to it, I can imagine that made people believe the site could be trusted.
I think you waited too long to pull the plug, and you waited too long to come clean here. I wish you the best though.
Topic: Royse777, Bitlucy and long story in brief - page 11. (Read 9585 times)
Royse.
As per my message to you on Telegram irrc around 10 days ago, the man is a scammer.
Sadly for you, you have been dragged into this.
I also appreciate your email and your kind words, but, this will not fix what this man has done.
He has no business acumen. He gloats about paying his staff $100 a week and calls it slave labour.
You seem genuine based on our chats, and, I am glad you listened.
Could you please respond to my email so we can put this to bed.
Regards,
Wildsy
As per my message to you on Telegram irrc around 10 days ago, the man is a scammer.
Sadly for you, you have been dragged into this.
I also appreciate your email and your kind words, but, this will not fix what this man has done.
He has no business acumen. He gloats about paying his staff $100 a week and calls it slave labour.
You seem genuine based on our chats, and, I am glad you listened.
Could you please respond to my email so we can put this to bed.
Regards,
Wildsy
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To be exact, on September 4th last year (https://ibb.co/Jp60CpB) Lucy approached me and asked about me wearing his affiliate signature, then slowly the development was to have a signature campaign for his affiliate link. Bitcointalk user Zwei on October 6th (https://ibb.co/1q6S6br) was hired to design the signature set.
I started by giving the exact date and will try to continue with the dates where it's possible or I will write from my memory with possible references I can use. I contacted several reputable forum users to hire them for the signature campaign. Everything was ready. Lucy was ready to spend over $10k on this campaign.
But at some point, It did not look right to me because spending $10k on an affiliate link without having any website of your own or not having at least a lead capturing page is just a waste of money (anyone experienced with affiliate marketing will understand what I mean here). I told Lucy that do you think it worth spending that amount of money just on an affiliate link?
We had long conversations, in fact from the beginning we talked to each other (on chat) almost most of the days. He always left me the impression that he is a very wealthy man and also open minded. We continued and he decided not to launch the campaign.
We continued talking to each other until December 11th 2021 (https://ibb.co/pxLVhHS)
On April 17th (https://ibb.co/x6SHBvr) he came back after a long time and offered me a full time job with the link of BitLucy that the site is almost ready. He decided to launch his own casino. I was happy to realize that this man valued my words and was even smarter enough that he came up with a better plan than I was thinking.
The site was not up yet but after a few hours it went up. And it was looking great. However I was not ready for such offers for myself so I asked him to give me time to think about his offer. In the meantime he told me to be on call the next morning. I was not ready for that either. It's the habit of a usual Bitcoin user. My privacy was important to me.
I had to think the entire night. The beginning, development of the relationship between him and me with so many other factors just to convince myself to trust him. It was not easy but the next morning we were on a call. We talked about the project, future plans and everything. At the end he gave me a better offer of being his partner and he will share a 10% GGR of total review. I did not have an idea of GGR at that time but he explained. Although I wanted something to start with a fixed salary so once the project becomes bigger and revenue starts coming then my plan was to ask for a small share. But since he was saying it's a better offer then I did not deny. That's how I started with BitLucy.
We launched on bitcointalk. Everyone was excited. I was asked to build up a team. He was busy with other sides (development, providers, site back office etc). All was going well. In the meantime from a promotion we had over 13k or 20k registrations in just one day. My side was busy handling customers' load and his side was busy keeping the site up and running because the overload was crashing up the site.
We were facing massive abuse by the visitors. Most of them were multi accounting and we really did not have any idea how they were doing it. We realized the abuse after processing around 400 withdrawals (according to Lucy). We had to stop promotion. And restructure the plan. In the meantime we had issue with payment processor coinpayment and moved to a new one nowpaymets.
Staff were due to pay and the first signature campaigners too. Since we were having bad time with processors he sent me $28** to pay them all. All staff received 25% bonus. Even some of them were awarded extra bonuses for their hard work.
At some point we moved from the current provider. He sent me some lose money around 39** Euro to convert in usdt and pay to an address. After trying a few more providers we settled with the current one we have.
Meanwhile we were having regular meetings with different people/companies. I was present in some of them and some of them were without me. It was not necessary for me to attend everything. Providers, streamers, influencers, agents of x footballers, singers etc. All those developments never looked unreal.
With us Lucy was sharing even his personal life. Trip to Disney with his wife and son, time in the zoo. Everyday we were becoming closer to each other like a small family. There was no reason to even think that he does not have money to run the business. All we were seeing is a man having some problems running the business but still he is not stopping from it. People were complaining about withdrawals. We were looking into it. Some were getting paid and more were coming with complaints. Since we moved to a new provider many people were coming for balance transfer too.
Time was going fast. Everyone needs money. The Staff were waiting for it. In the 2nd signature campaign x1 and avatar campaign x3, when things were not going as planned I had to pay them out of my own pocket. Several times Lucy asked me for money and I sent them to his given address too.
In the meantime Lucy missed several dates to pay the staff, processing withdrawals and me.
For the record I spent over $3.2k out of my pocket, from GGR I was supposed to receive around $1.5k plus and for the current month, since we were having problems with the site we decided to give me $2k salary not the GGR. Today is the 22nd. He sent me 400$ and 200$ but after a few days he needed some payments done and took $240 from me. That $600 that I received from him all together. The above $3.2+$1.5+whatever it is from $2k for the month are still due. I was not stressing for my money but stressing for staff and customers withdrawals. This was important for me more than anything.
Things were starting to change. This time I was pressuring for all the dues (everyone including withdrawals). Few days ago when I was angry and was insisting him he ordered btc 0.22* to my wallet via his bank. But after waiting few days he said since btc was dropping from $29** to somewhere at $22** or $23** the order was canceled. Then he decided to pay the staffs who are in the Philippines via their bank. But again after waiting for 5 working days it did not hit their bank until yesterday. In the meantime I told him to send me Western Union but even after ordering it and showing me a screenshot he never was able to give me a tracking number.
Meanwhile the withdrawals were to process at GMT 10am and 6 PM but it never happened. Staff were told they will get withdrawals including all customers in 24 hours which never happened and the last was today at 6 pm his local time.
The last few days were a complete disaster for me. It crossed my limit. It can not be continued anymore. So I resigned yesterday. He is insisting on me but it's impossible for me anymore. The deadline for his last promise passed. I was even giving him these options:
However, it's all done now. I am not with bitlucy anymore. I needed to be sure and it took me a while for that.
PS: I have tried to give a brief of what happened inside bitlucy and my situation with BitLucy. I had to skip personal information of anyone involved but in the meantime I had to say what I wanted to say. If any users have doubt of what I said then I am open to share some conversation data and possibly the transaction records of the payments. I can not share these things in public and you will have to be someone who I will trust too.
A copy (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uWn7zePH5XjnBzU8laYr53Byuv3WBrJW?usp=sharing) of my last long message which was sent to Lucy of me being done with BitLucy will help understand the situation too. (I have edited some parts which I thought not necessarily to be in public)
I have deposit data from the site. It's a few weeks old but I do not think many people deposited on the site for last few weeks. When I closed the form it’s still 4 people even after I had advertised it in several posts including ANN (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60373594), reputation(https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60335332), (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60389114) and yesterday in the service (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/compliant-against-bitlucy-5403487) board. The form is closed now since I do not want anyone to take advantage of it and fill it out with random data after this post. All these users will be checked and I will send their deposit back (I don't know how much will it be, if this is out of my limit then I will come to a contract with them to pay in installment). I will email you for a deposit transaction ID, and if it matches the given ID then you will get your coins back.
Sorry for all the inconvenience that you had because of me.
I started by giving the exact date and will try to continue with the dates where it's possible or I will write from my memory with possible references I can use. I contacted several reputable forum users to hire them for the signature campaign. Everything was ready. Lucy was ready to spend over $10k on this campaign.
But at some point, It did not look right to me because spending $10k on an affiliate link without having any website of your own or not having at least a lead capturing page is just a waste of money (anyone experienced with affiliate marketing will understand what I mean here). I told Lucy that do you think it worth spending that amount of money just on an affiliate link?
We had long conversations, in fact from the beginning we talked to each other (on chat) almost most of the days. He always left me the impression that he is a very wealthy man and also open minded. We continued and he decided not to launch the campaign.
We continued talking to each other until December 11th 2021 (https://ibb.co/pxLVhHS)
On April 17th (https://ibb.co/x6SHBvr) he came back after a long time and offered me a full time job with the link of BitLucy that the site is almost ready. He decided to launch his own casino. I was happy to realize that this man valued my words and was even smarter enough that he came up with a better plan than I was thinking.
The site was not up yet but after a few hours it went up. And it was looking great. However I was not ready for such offers for myself so I asked him to give me time to think about his offer. In the meantime he told me to be on call the next morning. I was not ready for that either. It's the habit of a usual Bitcoin user. My privacy was important to me.
I had to think the entire night. The beginning, development of the relationship between him and me with so many other factors just to convince myself to trust him. It was not easy but the next morning we were on a call. We talked about the project, future plans and everything. At the end he gave me a better offer of being his partner and he will share a 10% GGR of total review. I did not have an idea of GGR at that time but he explained. Although I wanted something to start with a fixed salary so once the project becomes bigger and revenue starts coming then my plan was to ask for a small share. But since he was saying it's a better offer then I did not deny. That's how I started with BitLucy.
We launched on bitcointalk. Everyone was excited. I was asked to build up a team. He was busy with other sides (development, providers, site back office etc). All was going well. In the meantime from a promotion we had over 13k or 20k registrations in just one day. My side was busy handling customers' load and his side was busy keeping the site up and running because the overload was crashing up the site.
We were facing massive abuse by the visitors. Most of them were multi accounting and we really did not have any idea how they were doing it. We realized the abuse after processing around 400 withdrawals (according to Lucy). We had to stop promotion. And restructure the plan. In the meantime we had issue with payment processor coinpayment and moved to a new one nowpaymets.
Staff were due to pay and the first signature campaigners too. Since we were having bad time with processors he sent me $28** to pay them all. All staff received 25% bonus. Even some of them were awarded extra bonuses for their hard work.
At some point we moved from the current provider. He sent me some lose money around 39** Euro to convert in usdt and pay to an address. After trying a few more providers we settled with the current one we have.
Meanwhile we were having regular meetings with different people/companies. I was present in some of them and some of them were without me. It was not necessary for me to attend everything. Providers, streamers, influencers, agents of x footballers, singers etc. All those developments never looked unreal.
With us Lucy was sharing even his personal life. Trip to Disney with his wife and son, time in the zoo. Everyday we were becoming closer to each other like a small family. There was no reason to even think that he does not have money to run the business. All we were seeing is a man having some problems running the business but still he is not stopping from it. People were complaining about withdrawals. We were looking into it. Some were getting paid and more were coming with complaints. Since we moved to a new provider many people were coming for balance transfer too.
Time was going fast. Everyone needs money. The Staff were waiting for it. In the 2nd signature campaign x1 and avatar campaign x3, when things were not going as planned I had to pay them out of my own pocket. Several times Lucy asked me for money and I sent them to his given address too.
In the meantime Lucy missed several dates to pay the staff, processing withdrawals and me.
For the record I spent over $3.2k out of my pocket, from GGR I was supposed to receive around $1.5k plus and for the current month, since we were having problems with the site we decided to give me $2k salary not the GGR. Today is the 22nd. He sent me 400$ and 200$ but after a few days he needed some payments done and took $240 from me. That $600 that I received from him all together. The above $3.2+$1.5+whatever it is from $2k for the month are still due. I was not stressing for my money but stressing for staff and customers withdrawals. This was important for me more than anything.
Things were starting to change. This time I was pressuring for all the dues (everyone including withdrawals). Few days ago when I was angry and was insisting him he ordered btc 0.22* to my wallet via his bank. But after waiting few days he said since btc was dropping from $29** to somewhere at $22** or $23** the order was canceled. Then he decided to pay the staffs who are in the Philippines via their bank. But again after waiting for 5 working days it did not hit their bank until yesterday. In the meantime I told him to send me Western Union but even after ordering it and showing me a screenshot he never was able to give me a tracking number.
Meanwhile the withdrawals were to process at GMT 10am and 6 PM but it never happened. Staff were told they will get withdrawals including all customers in 24 hours which never happened and the last was today at 6 pm his local time.
The last few days were a complete disaster for me. It crossed my limit. It can not be continued anymore. So I resigned yesterday. He is insisting on me but it's impossible for me anymore. The deadline for his last promise passed. I was even giving him these options:
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1. Pay all debt including withdrawals for clients
2. Show me proof of funds, sign a message from a btc address that has enough btc
3. Allow me to process withdrawals in the back office by giving me access.
And then maybe I will reconsider being with him again.
2. Show me proof of funds, sign a message from a btc address that has enough btc
3. Allow me to process withdrawals in the back office by giving me access.
And then maybe I will reconsider being with him again.
However, it's all done now. I am not with bitlucy anymore. I needed to be sure and it took me a while for that.
PS: I have tried to give a brief of what happened inside bitlucy and my situation with BitLucy. I had to skip personal information of anyone involved but in the meantime I had to say what I wanted to say. If any users have doubt of what I said then I am open to share some conversation data and possibly the transaction records of the payments. I can not share these things in public and you will have to be someone who I will trust too.
A copy (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uWn7zePH5XjnBzU8laYr53Byuv3WBrJW?usp=sharing) of my last long message which was sent to Lucy of me being done with BitLucy will help understand the situation too. (I have edited some parts which I thought not necessarily to be in public)
I have deposit data from the site. It's a few weeks old but I do not think many people deposited on the site for last few weeks. When I closed the form it’s still 4 people even after I had advertised it in several posts including ANN (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60373594), reputation(https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60335332), (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60389114) and yesterday in the service (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/compliant-against-bitlucy-5403487) board. The form is closed now since I do not want anyone to take advantage of it and fill it out with random data after this post. All these users will be checked and I will send their deposit back (I don't know how much will it be, if this is out of my limit then I will come to a contract with them to pay in installment). I will email you for a deposit transaction ID, and if it matches the given ID then you will get your coins back.
Sorry for all the inconvenience that you had because of me.
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