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legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1015
March 16, 2015, 07:09:34 AM

Sounds like SuperNET to me. Especially the API thing and being able to run on any type of currency.

I'm not so sure, isn't SuperNET using the various coins as features apart of the network? For example BBR will be the anonymous layer, etc...

I am not advocating that at all, I'm advocating for a truly coin agnostic platform that only uses Crypto Currencies as a method of barter/payment and nothing more.
sr. member
Activity: 283
Merit: 250
March 16, 2015, 06:55:47 AM
My feeling with regards to this area of thought (alts and 2.0) is the more complicated a platform the more points of failure it has.  The more hackable, or gameable it is.  Let simple systems cover the bases ie bitcoin, or monero, and let complexities be built atop and outside of that foundation ala CryptoKingdom, Coinbase, Silk Road, etc.  Then let the chips fall where they may.  Silk Road can be taken out while bitcoin survives. 

Start adding things like "masternodes" to a protocol and you are building vectors into the foundations.  It is not pure anymore.  Build something like etherium, nxt, ripple, maidsafe...  The complexity becomes vullnerability. 

Nomatter all the good design and intentions most of it is just snake oil in the end.

In some ways the farther Monero has gone down the "THERE IS NO GUI!!!!" path the safer I feel being invested in it.

Agree.

Relevant:
http://cointelegraph.com/news/113655/dumb-vs-smart-which-network-is-better-for-bitcoin
legendary
Activity: 1750
Merit: 1005
March 15, 2015, 02:53:34 PM
Any thougths/research on Magi (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-xmg-magi-cpu-mining-mpow-mpos-magipay-735170)?
They have CPU mining, PoS-II, PoM & Unique BLK reward and are building there own payment processor.
From a first look the project looks pretty sophisticated. I think I try to upread on it today or tommorow.

Nice to see that Magi (XMG) can be discussed here also.
If you have questions just ask.
Always welcome.

Since you are part of the Magi community I though I would ask you if you have any personal information on the cryptocoins-dice gambling site owner who went by the name Bobbax (new account he used for the gambling site scam).  He seems to have been involved with Magi as well.  Have a read through the thread below and if you have any information to help the community please post it there.  These sort of thiefs need to be rooted out of the crypto scene.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10765725
I will check for you. Hate scams!! Will contact our dev for delete this one in our Magi thread! Thanks amigo!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=988226.new#new

Link is deleted from our original Magi (XMG) thread.
legendary
Activity: 3766
Merit: 5146
Whimsical Pants
March 15, 2015, 12:33:26 PM
My feeling with regards to this area of thought (alts and 2.0) is the more complicated a platform the more points of failure it has.  The more hackable, or gameable it is.  Let simple systems cover the bases ie bitcoin, or monero, and let complexities be built atop and outside of that foundation ala CryptoKingdom, Coinbase, Silk Road, etc.  Then let the chips fall where they may.  Silk Road can be taken out while bitcoin survives. 

Start adding things like "masternodes" to a protocol and you are building vectors into the foundations.  It is not pure anymore.  Build something like etherium, nxt, ripple, maidsafe...  The complexity becomes vullnerability. 

Nomatter all the good design and intentions most of it is just snake oil in the end.

In some ways the farther Monero has gone down the "THERE IS NO GUI!!!!" path the safer I feel being invested in it.
legendary
Activity: 826
Merit: 1002
amarha
March 15, 2015, 11:00:45 AM
@rpietila -- i agree with you on your initial post back last year about the altcoins you listed. I was also in the same boat with the nxt premine distribution, but  having following it for the past year it seems that their platform is more promising than its coin aside from the premine aspect. I'm curious to what is your thoughts on it so far with its latest developments.

I haven't really followed the "blockchain 2.0" things including NXT or payment networks (Ripple, Paypal). I also don't know about technology and it does not interest me. I haven't invested in any of the aforementioned and don't think I will.

Although XMR is down from where I told that it is "very interesting", I have followed it closely and been actively involved in the development. I feel there is a great undervaluation ongoing, and the rise that started a few weeks ago is just the beginning. XMR needs to make a new high ($5+) to make it a convincing case for an altcoin that has future. We still have about 600% to go to reach even that value, which means there's money to be made.

Money I do understand, technology not.

I think I said this a while ago, at one point (way before Monero) I was very optimistic about generation 2 coins, coins that could run applications and such.
After following the developments of MaidSafe, Ripple, Ethereum for a while the idea turned a little sour in my mind, and this was still before Monero was on the scene.

The reason for sour flour? Imagine the internet was bound so that each TCP transaction was tied eternally into dollars?
Yep, it all kind of fell apart from that point onwards, in my mind.

I felt that the solution wasn't in tying a currency into such a platform, the solution was a generation 2 platform that would be coin agnostic.
The ideal platform would be more open and fluid, accepting any number of currencies to run it's underlying system, some of these apps might not even need to be tied into crypto currency at all.

One of my beliefs is that over a long enough time span, almost all systems will become open. I believe the same will happen for these platforms. Ethereum might be open source, but it's still a closed eco system for the applications running on top. The fuel is a single coin that can never change.

Once I convinced myself that the true generation 2 platforms would eventually run on top of any currency (using perhaps some type of API?) I started looking for a new coin, one that can compliment my Bitcoin investments. I found Zerocoin and waited for it, but as more information came out, about the trust issues with the initial accumulator state, I moved on from that idea.

I waited and waited and then Monero came along. A fresh idea, a coin that wasn't tacking on Gen 2 crap, closed eco systems, and a coin that offered anonymity now with a growing development team.

So I started investing with my fingers crossed.

It was a while after that you announced that you too were interested in Monero, and having knew who you were beforehand really helped back up my decision.

Perhaps Monero will be my saving grace, that future platforms will run on top of it and others, with Monero leading the way as the true cash of the internet.

Who knows.

Separate church and state.
Separate coin and platform.

:p

Sounds like SuperNET to me. Especially the API thing and being able to run on any type of currency.
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1015
March 15, 2015, 09:57:15 AM
@rpietila -- i agree with you on your initial post back last year about the altcoins you listed. I was also in the same boat with the nxt premine distribution, but  having following it for the past year it seems that their platform is more promising than its coin aside from the premine aspect. I'm curious to what is your thoughts on it so far with its latest developments.

I haven't really followed the "blockchain 2.0" things including NXT or payment networks (Ripple, Paypal). I also don't know about technology and it does not interest me. I haven't invested in any of the aforementioned and don't think I will.

Although XMR is down from where I told that it is "very interesting", I have followed it closely and been actively involved in the development. I feel there is a great undervaluation ongoing, and the rise that started a few weeks ago is just the beginning. XMR needs to make a new high ($5+) to make it a convincing case for an altcoin that has future. We still have about 600% to go to reach even that value, which means there's money to be made.

Money I do understand, technology not.

I think I said this a while ago, at one point (way before Monero) I was very optimistic about generation 2 coins, coins that could run applications and such.
After following the developments of MaidSafe, Ripple, Ethereum for a while the idea turned a little sour in my mind, and this was still before Monero was on the scene.

The reason for sour flour? Imagine the internet was bound so that each TCP transaction was tied eternally into dollars?
Yep, it all kind of fell apart from that point onwards, in my mind.

I felt that the solution wasn't in tying a currency into such a platform, the solution was a generation 2 platform that would be coin agnostic.
The ideal platform would be more open and fluid, accepting any number of currencies to run it's underlying system, some of these apps might not even need to be tied into crypto currency at all.

One of my beliefs is that over a long enough time span, almost all systems will become open. I believe the same will happen for these platforms. Ethereum might be open source, but it's still a closed eco system for the applications running on top. The fuel is a single coin that can never change.

Once I convinced myself that the true generation 2 platforms would eventually run on top of any currency (using perhaps some type of API?) I started looking for a new coin, one that can compliment my Bitcoin investments. I found Zerocoin and waited for it, but as more information came out, about the trust issues with the initial accumulator state, I moved on from that idea.

I waited and waited and then Monero came along. A fresh idea, a coin that wasn't tacking on Gen 2 crap, closed eco systems, and a coin that offered anonymity now with a growing development team.

So I started investing with my fingers crossed.

It was a while after that you announced that you too were interested in Monero, and having knew who you were beforehand really helped back up my decision.

Perhaps Monero will be my saving grace, that future platforms will run on top of it and others, with Monero leading the way as the true cash of the internet.

Who knows.

Separate church and state.
Separate coin and platform.

:p
legendary
Activity: 2548
Merit: 1054
CPU Web Mining 🕸️ on webmining.io
March 15, 2015, 02:15:00 AM
Power-law seems to be the opposite of what people actually want

Most of the assholes here would scream of scam. Although the end would be ideal, the path there would be paved with massive hate. Everyone wants to be average...until they are
donator
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1036
March 14, 2015, 12:33:42 PM
@rpietila -- i agree with you on your initial post back last year about the altcoins you listed. I was also in the same boat with the nxt premine distribution, but  having following it for the past year it seems that their platform is more promising than its coin aside from the premine aspect. I'm curious to what is your thoughts on it so far with its latest developments.

I haven't really followed the "blockchain 2.0" things including NXT or payment networks (Ripple, Paypal). I also don't know about technology and it does not interest me. I haven't invested in any of the aforementioned and don't think I will.

Although XMR is down from where I told that it is "very interesting", I have followed it closely and been actively involved in the development. I feel there is a great undervaluation ongoing, and the rise that started a few weeks ago is just the beginning. XMR needs to make a new high ($5+) to make it a convincing case for an altcoin that has future. We still have about 600% to go to reach even that value, which means there's money to be made.

Money I do understand, technology not.
full member
Activity: 165
Merit: 101
March 14, 2015, 12:25:52 PM
@rpietila -- i agree with you on your initial post back last year about the altcoins you listed. I was also in the same boat with the nxt premine distribution, but  having following it for the past year it seems that their platform is more promising than its coin aside from the premine aspect. I'm curious to what is your thoughts on it so far with its latest developments.
legendary
Activity: 1750
Merit: 1005
March 14, 2015, 08:31:41 AM
Any thougths/research on Magi (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-xmg-magi-cpu-mining-mpow-mpos-magipay-735170)?
They have CPU mining, PoS-II, PoM & Unique BLK reward and are building there own payment processor.
From a first look the project looks pretty sophisticated. I think I try to upread on it today or tommorow.

Nice to see that Magi (XMG) can be discussed here also.
If you have questions just ask.
Always welcome.

Since you are part of the Magi community I though I would ask you if you have any personal information on the cryptocoins-dice gambling site owner who went by the name Bobbax (new account he used for the gambling site scam).  He seems to have been involved with Magi as well.  Have a read through the thread below and if you have any information to help the community please post it there.  These sort of thiefs need to be rooted out of the crypto scene.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10765725
I will check for you. Hate scams!! Will contact our dev for delete this one in our Magi thread! Thanks amigo!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=988226.new#new
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
March 14, 2015, 08:20:57 AM
Any thougths/research on Magi (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-xmg-magi-cpu-mining-mpow-mpos-magipay-735170)?
They have CPU mining, PoS-II, PoM & Unique BLK reward and are building there own payment processor.
From a first look the project looks pretty sophisticated. I think I try to upread on it today or tommorow.

Nice to see that Magi (XMG) can be discussed here also.
If you have questions just ask.
Always welcome.

Since you are part of the Magi community I though I would ask you if you have any personal information on the cryptocoins-dice gambling site owner who went by the name Bobbax (new account he used for the gambling site scam).  He seems to have been involved with Magi as well.  Have a read through the thread below and if you have any information to help the community please post it there.  These sort of thiefs need to be rooted out of the crypto scene.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10765725
legendary
Activity: 1750
Merit: 1005
March 08, 2015, 04:47:54 PM
Any thougths/research on Magi (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-xmg-magi-cpu-mining-mpow-mpos-magipay-735170)?
They have CPU mining, PoS-II, PoM & Unique BLK reward and are building there own payment processor.
From a first look the project looks pretty sophisticated. I think I try to upread on it today or tommorow.

Nice to see that Magi (XMG) can be discussed here also.
If you have questions just ask.
Always welcome.
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1011
Monero Evangelist
March 08, 2015, 03:36:56 AM
Any thougths/research on Magi (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-xmg-magi-cpu-mining-mpow-mpos-magipay-735170)?
They have CPU mining, PoS-II, PoM & Unique BLK reward and are building there own payment processor.
From a first look the project looks pretty sophisticated. I think I try to upread on it today or tommorow.
full member
Activity: 231
Merit: 100
March 07, 2015, 03:21:40 AM
What is "perfect" distribution? Is it a power law distribution?

I have been arguing for power law based distribution.

And I agree with you.
donator
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1036
March 07, 2015, 02:35:18 AM
What is "perfect" distribution? Is it a power law distribution?

I have been arguing for power law based distribution.
hero member
Activity: 798
Merit: 1000
21 million. I want them all.
March 07, 2015, 02:13:50 AM
Perfect distribution would be achieved in an economy with a GINI of 1.0

But that ain't gonna happen.  Last time I looked, the USA has a GINI of about 0.41.

Bitcoin's distribution is somewhere around GINI 0.86 IIRC.

We could improve the world's GINI by taking money away from Elon Musk (who wants to make widespread electric vehicles powered by solar energy and multiplanetary human civilization a reality) and giving everyone in India $10 each. Do you see the problem with that?

Roger Ver owns (or owned) 300,000 bitcoins, contributing heavily to bitcoin's "bad" GINI. Roger Ver was also among the first investors in services like blockchain.info and Bitpay.  He started the first major bitcoin retail store. This was long before venture capitalists were investing in bitcoin.

A small group of intelligent, patient large-holders who were willing to invest and take a leadership role in bitcoin (or at least refrain from dumping their coins for a quick buck) was absolutely crucial in preventing bitcoin from dying a quick death in its infancy. And a quick death would've been the result if Satoshi decided to start dumping his nearly 1,000,000 coins when bitcoin reached $1.

Sure, lots of people can have wildly different ideas on what a "perfect distribution" is, but many of those people are going to be objectively wrong. If talented, big-thinking people can't amass big fortunes, then we can only do small things. And I'm saying this as someone who hasn't amassed a big fortune and likely won't. I'm happy guys like Elon Musk are around and have way more money than I do.

legendary
Activity: 924
Merit: 1132
March 07, 2015, 12:44:02 AM

Mine was that people's idea of perfection can vary wildly.  Or at least, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.  Cheesy
full member
Activity: 231
Merit: 100
March 06, 2015, 11:42:45 PM
Perfect distribution would be achieved in an economy with a GINI of 1.0

But that ain't gonna happen.  Last time I looked, the USA has a GINI of about 0.41.

Bitcoin's distribution is somewhere around GINI 0.86 IIRC.

 Cheesy So with GINI of 1.0 you'd be the one holding all (aka perfect distribution for you..).

My point was "Perfect Distribution" does not equal "Equal Distribution".
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
March 06, 2015, 11:28:27 PM
Perfect distribution would be achieved in an economy with a GINI of 1.0

Maybe you have that backwards? But I'm not really sure what you mean. though. 0 is perfectly equal, 1 is perfectly unequal. Both are "perfect" in some sense.  Most GINIs in the world have been increasing recently i.e. more inequality.

"Ideal" is very much different and even putting aside subjectively there isn't even necessarily a best answer. Using the same set of values, 0.3 might hypothetically be considered as good as 0.6 but for different reasons. Everyone being equally poor for example isn't necessarily ideal.

legendary
Activity: 2282
Merit: 1050
Monero Core Team
March 06, 2015, 11:20:30 PM
Edit: Why someone will blindly trust Microsoft or Apple, and at the same time not trust the NSA or GHCQ, with their data defies any rational explanation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29#mediaviewer/File:Prism_slide_5.jpg.

+1, MS and Apple are the NSA lol, its more sad and alarming than funny but it should be no joke securing your coins, its hard enough patch holes in the ssl and other free software in gnu/linux so why should we ever trust closed-source vulnerable OS?

I should point out that the reverse does not hold at all. In a situation where one would trust the NSA or GHCQ with certain data one still should not trust Microsoft or Apple with that data! Microsoft for example has shared its source code with the FSB and the PLA, It has also allowed its trade marks to be used to sell computers with built in malware that breaks SSL in order to serve ads, as in the recent case of Lenovo. As for Apple its security is simply horrid as the recent "nude selfie" case so aptly demonstrated.
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