Topic: Russia can evade sanction through cryptocurrencies - page 8. (Read 1727 times)
The addresses that's sending large amounts of money are going to be investigated and if was proven to be used as a means to fund the war effort, I'm sure that people that has the power and influence are going to make sure that the Russian government won't be able to do that.
They can evade sanctions if they use gold, yuan or some other local currency too. The thing is, they won't be doing any trades with the countries that sanction them anyways so It doesn't matter what they use. Let's say Russia is trading with China. Does it matter if they use crypto or Yuans? Both countries see each other as allies... If you think the US companies will do business with Russia and evade the sanctions I think that's a very big problem for the US.
Sending and getting the Gold to evade sanctions will be risky because of issues with portability. Using Yuan, and other fiat currencies will only strengthen that government's political influence over you. Plus it requires trust over centralized entry, and exit points which could censor you. If only if someone invented a protocol that's open, permissionless and neutral.
The Russia's central bank wanted cryptocurrencies to be banned in its country but the Russian president, Vladimir Putin said bitcoin mining and other crypto mining will be beneficial for Russia. Some people at that time have been supectimg this could be a move by the Russia's president that he is planning to invade Ukraine which will result to sanctions, thinking cryptocurrencies would be a means to evade sanctions and make it economically less effective.
Ukrainian Vice Prime Minister Mykhailo Fedorov demand crypto exchanges to freeze all Russian accounts so that the sanction can be effective, but most exchanges did not support this. I read few days ago that cryptocurrencies may not help in Russia sanction but FinCEN concluded that Russia can attempt to use cryptocurrencies to evade sanctions.
FinCEN Provides Financial Institutions with Red Flags on Potential Russian Sanctions Evasion Attempts
What is your take? What role can cryptocurrencies play in helping Russia sanctions evasion and to what extent can this be?
Ukrainian Vice Prime Minister Mykhailo Fedorov demand crypto exchanges to freeze all Russian accounts so that the sanction can be effective, but most exchanges did not support this. I read few days ago that cryptocurrencies may not help in Russia sanction but FinCEN concluded that Russia can attempt to use cryptocurrencies to evade sanctions.
FinCEN Provides Financial Institutions with Red Flags on Potential Russian Sanctions Evasion Attempts
What is your take? What role can cryptocurrencies play in helping Russia sanctions evasion and to what extent can this be?
Its hard to answer, They will try everything to avoid sanctions including cryptocurrencies, but as of now in USA as FinCEN said, they haven't seen widespread evasion of sanctions using cryptocurrency and as I know it takes time for authorities to study how can they prevent potential Russian sanctions evasion and they will study this from time to time.
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It is that this is a consequence of the answers that Russia obviously had to give, but what is most impressive of all is Biden's actions with respect to Oil, he sent a special high command commission in the USA to speak with Maduro in Venezuela, then in the NYT it appears that they recognize Maduro as president, when they assumed that Guaidó was president, then they reach agreements such as Venezuela reopening operations with the USA for oil, and in turn they send oil specialists to help steal more than Venezuela, then Biden comes out saying that he does not want more Russian oil, I think this is a function that nobody expected, what other scenarios will Biden take to get out of trouble?
It is that this is a consequence of the answers that Russia obviously had to give, but what is most impressive of all is Biden's actions with respect to Oil, he sent a special high command commission in the USA to speak with Maduro in Venezuela, then in the NYT it appears that they recognize Maduro as president, when they assumed that Guaidó was president, then they reach agreements such as Venezuela reopening operations with the USA for oil, and in turn they send oil specialists to help steal more than Venezuela, then Biden comes out saying that he does not want more Russian oil, I think this is a function that nobody expected, what other scenarios will Biden take to get out of trouble?
In general, the problem of sagging oil supplies seems to have been solved ...
Venezuela will sell oil to the United States.
Caracas intends to increase oil production in 2022 to 2-3 million barrels per day and sell it in the United States.
"Venezuela is open to investment, oil and gas production, oil and gas stability around the world, including the United States. We are ready to sell US oil and gas, we must not politicize economic issues," said Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA). President Nicolas Maduro.
Nothing personal, just business
Sometimes when you are fighting against a bigger threat, you leave all the politics aside and deal with what hand you are dealt with. If Russia wants to play ball, Biden is ready to play ball. This is a refreshing sight to see after last president ended up licking Putins boots. Russia has always been the enemy of the USA and last president liked their dictator so much because he wanted to be like him. This is why it is obvious that Biden taking a stance that matters to many americans. Russia can't just attack on Ukraine, get sanctions because of their killings, and then assume that cutting of gas would be fine to make europe take a step back. All of europe will eventually find a resolution, maybe today, maybe in a month, maybe in a few years who knows, but we all know that from this day forward, nobody will want to do business with Russia and be ready to get "independent from Russia" even after sanctions are over.
That's not how sanctions work.
Let's imagine the sanction on Russian gas/oil. If Europe is starving for gas and aren't allowed to buy it from Russia they will not buy it from Russia. Cryptocurrencies don't even come in! Similarly if the starving European countries decided they have no other choice to buy Russian gas they will buy it again there is no cryptocurrencies involved!
That's the same with anything else that was sanctioned.
Let's imagine the sanction on Russian gas/oil. If Europe is starving for gas and aren't allowed to buy it from Russia they will not buy it from Russia. Cryptocurrencies don't even come in! Similarly if the starving European countries decided they have no other choice to buy Russian gas they will buy it again there is no cryptocurrencies involved!
That's the same with anything else that was sanctioned.
And now Russia has finally stopped shipping gas to Europe, which makes European countries finally constrained by gas consumption for factory needs. It turns out that the impact of sanctions against Russia was actually retaliated by stopping gas exports, we know Russia is the largest gas producer in the world and even Francis is the country that buys gas the most from Russia, now he appeals to its citizens not to panic and will immediately take alternative actions using coal. Closing each other's economic gaps has an impact on the instability of other countries. And one thing, non-block countries like me are experiencing the impact of the invasion which is almost a few days where we live the internet is completely down.
They can evade sanctions if they use gold, yuan or some other local currency too. The thing is, they won't be doing any trades with the countries that sanction them anyways so It doesn't matter what they use. Let's say Russia is trading with China. Does it matter if they use crypto or Yuans? Both countries see each other as allies... If you think the US companies will do business with Russia and evade the sanctions I think that's a very big problem for the US.
Hmm ... And tell me HOW? For example, the day before yesterday sanctions were introduced prohibiting transactions with Russian gold. Who can buy it? China. But China will buy it at the price it sets itself. Russia has no choice and Russia cannot put pressure on China, because. itself is essentially an appendage of China!
Yuan or, for example, North Korean won - well, ok. And what do they buy for yuan or won? China will most likely raise prices in yuan (already deliveries to Russia are coming with a 30-40% price increase), or set prices in dollars, which evaporate catastrophically in Russia. What will any local currency give them if they need Western products and technologies?
Cryptocurrencies that are free and no one controls it make anyone not worry about receiving money, and the Russian government, which has legalized cryptocurrencies, of course understands that they can be subject to sanctions so that the presence of cryptocurrencies can avoid sanctions completely.
The logic is that, if Russians want to hold wealth in another currency, it would be difficult, if it is all about just paying someone in another nation, then they could do it. The difference is that, if you want to pay me, someone who is not Russian, you can and Russia will be losing money there, whereas they will get something from me.
But, if you are a Russian wealthy person, then you can't just use crypto to take it out and turn it into another fiat. You can't just buy bitcoin with ruble, then turn that bitcoin into dollar and put that dollar into your bank account. Bank will notify the government and government will freeze your account and your money would be gone.
But, if you are a Russian wealthy person, then you can't just use crypto to take it out and turn it into another fiat. You can't just buy bitcoin with ruble, then turn that bitcoin into dollar and put that dollar into your bank account. Bank will notify the government and government will freeze your account and your money would be gone.
And it's not just about that. Even if this could be done with less difficulty, it is still the path of a minority of the Russian population. It will not save the country from sanctions, although it may save some people. Russia is a country that exploits natural resources. It is vital for them to sell them. Without this permission, they will default. And even if there are not enough rational reasons for this and there are certain ways to circumvent the bans, the panic that has already gripped the population will end the case.
But, one thing I do know for sure is that a decentralized exchange is always the best to use. When people are making use of peer to peer exchanges, there is no way that the government would be able to control them or even control their asset and freeze it.
Not all peer to peer exchanges is decentralized exchange, take a look with LocalBitcoins and Luno, it's peer to peer but still custodial platform. The exchange will know which IP you used and if they ask your KYC, you don't have any choice and let know you're Russian citizens. They may freeze your asset either on their platform or after you convert to Ruble. The real decentralized exchange is Bisq, hodlhodl, and Localcryptos. 
Even from Binance CEO Changpeng Zhao himself saying that cryptocurrencies won’t help evade sanctions.
But from my own perspective, Russia can possibly evade sanctions if they turn towards full decentralization or exchanges refusing to ban Russians from using their respective platforms. Like for instance, mandating all businesses to accept crypto payments by using non-custodial wallets.
No matter what CZ says, it needs to be noted that CZ denied blocking Russian accounts from Binance through a rightful decision. So not sure why he thinks that cryptos can't help Russia evade the sanctions. But from my own perspective, Russia can possibly evade sanctions if they turn towards full decentralization or exchanges refusing to ban Russians from using their respective platforms. Like for instance, mandating all businesses to accept crypto payments by using non-custodial wallets.
Russia can certainly try this. But considering the global sentiment is against Russia right at this moment, it may not be beneficial for them. Their internal economy can be supported by cryptos but the global trade won't go through crypto route.
But, if you are a Russian wealthy person, then you can't just use crypto to take it out and turn it into another fiat. You can't just buy bitcoin with ruble, then turn that bitcoin into dollar and put that dollar into your bank account. Bank will notify the government and government will freeze your account and your money would be gone.
Some people have said that centralized exchanges that are not in Russia can’t be forced by the Russian government to freeze the account of their citizens. I don’t really know much about this; that if centralized exchange is not in a particular country that it can’t be controlled or willed to do as the government pleases.
But, one thing I do know for sure is that a decentralized exchange is always the best to use. When people are making use of peer to peer exchanges, there is no way that the government would be able to control them or even control their asset and freeze it.
But, one thing I do know for sure is that a decentralized exchange is always the best to use. When people are making use of peer to peer exchanges, there is no way that the government would be able to control them or even control their asset and freeze it.
They are planning to shut their internet connection from the rest of the world, how would they benefit from cryptocurrencies? Perhaps some of them already hoarded for future use, but it would still be useless until Russia decides to stop whatever it is that they're doing and focus on other things apart from invading other countries. They can try to hoard gold and their petrol products which will be extremely valuable in the future, but that doesn't really mean much if you can't sell it for fiat.
They can evade sanctions if they use gold, yuan or some other local currency too. The thing is, they won't be doing any trades with the countries that sanction them anyways so It doesn't matter what they use. Let's say Russia is trading with China. Does it matter if they use crypto or Yuans? Both countries see each other as allies... If you think the US companies will do business with Russia and evade the sanctions I think that's a very big problem for the US.
Hahaha, reverse-sanction by Putin. Every person who says that Russia is "not relevant" base their analysis through GDP denominated in the U.S. Dollar. BUT the truth is, Russia is the source of 17% of the global supply of Natural Gas, 11% of oil, 11% Wheat, and I believe one of the largest sources of Palladium and fertilizer.
...Also 5% of global nickel production.
On the oil and gas topic, it's a "reverse sanction" only for medium term. If the current status remains for long, then it will force:
* infrastructure development towards other suppliers (hence on the long term more competition and maybe lower prices)
* infrastructure development for increased use of greens energy (maybe more nuclear plants, maybe more hydrogen, clearly more solar, wind and hydro)
I fear that this war can easily turn into a years long guerrilla war in Ukraine, I fear that this war can easily go farther, engulfing more countries, I fear it can easily turn into WW3.
All these scenarios would mean that much more infrastructure will need built or rebuilt.
I believe this war will end with Ukraine's president negotiating with Putin. If a war continues, you're right, it will only be contained within Ukraine as a guerilla war. I also believe Russia doesn't want to be in a World War. They merely want control of Ukraine because Russia's major gas pipelines go through the country.
The Russia's central bank wanted cryptocurrencies to be banned in its country but the Russian president, Vladimir Putin said bitcoin mining and other crypto mining will be beneficial for Russia. Some people at that time have been supectimg this could be a move by the Russia's president that he is planning to invade Ukraine which will result to sanctions, thinking cryptocurrencies would be a means to evade sanctions and make it economically less effective.
Ukrainian Vice Prime Minister Mykhailo Fedorov demand crypto exchanges to freeze all Russian accounts so that the sanction can be effective, but most exchanges did not support this. I read few days ago that cryptocurrencies may not help in Russia sanction but FinCEN concluded that Russia can attempt to use cryptocurrencies to evade sanctions.
FinCEN Provides Financial Institutions with Red Flags on Potential Russian Sanctions Evasion Attempts
What is your take? What role can cryptocurrencies play in helping Russia sanctions evasion and to what extent can this be?
Ukrainian Vice Prime Minister Mykhailo Fedorov demand crypto exchanges to freeze all Russian accounts so that the sanction can be effective, but most exchanges did not support this. I read few days ago that cryptocurrencies may not help in Russia sanction but FinCEN concluded that Russia can attempt to use cryptocurrencies to evade sanctions.
FinCEN Provides Financial Institutions with Red Flags on Potential Russian Sanctions Evasion Attempts
What is your take? What role can cryptocurrencies play in helping Russia sanctions evasion and to what extent can this be?
This is rubbish because the cryptocurrency networks do not have the capacity to handle the amount of transactions a country like Russia would need efficiently. Even if it did somehow manage to make this work, sanctions on any individuals or companies would wipe out any potential benefit very clearly - at best this could provide a very short term solution. However it will be of limited benefit to them right now, because the ruble has already plunged so far and a lot of their trade is denominated in foreign currencies, which they cannot get back into the country. Anyone who thinks they're smart by evading financial restrictions in this sort of way could become a huge target and be made an example of by many regulators.
And now Russia has finally stopped shipping gas to Europe, which makes European countries finally constrained by gas consumption for factory needs. It turns out that the impact of sanctions against Russia was actually retaliated by stopping gas exports, we know Russia is the largest gas producer in the world and even Francis is the country that buys gas the most from Russia, now he appeals to its citizens not to panic and will immediately take alternative actions using coal. Closing each other's economic gaps has an impact on the instability of other countries. And one thing, non-block countries like me are experiencing the impact of the invasion which is almost a few days where we live the internet is completely down.
But we know very well that this would affect Russia more than it would affect other European countries. Russia is already feeling the heat of the action that they have taken. Their economy is already falling, and their currency is losing value. Other countries can easily make use of other alternatives that are available to them, which I believe for sure that there are so many alternatives to making use of gas.But for Russia, they would keep on keeping the gas for as long, and that is not doing any good to them. Rather it would even’ cause more of negative impact on their economy, since they wouldn’t be making much exports this time around. Other countries have stopped making use of their gas, and they are still doing fine, their economy is still OK even at this point.
Stop using gas will halt everything from production to household cooking. Given that it's winter, the more there is the need for gas and oil that's why Biden asked Iran and Saudi to produce gas for EU. It's impossible to stop using gas, it's time for every country to use the alternative sources like wind and sunlight massively.
Russia evading sanctions will be difficult but the one ally they have which is China plays a vital role for them to achieve many things still. I'm afraid this one has more influence than Russia.
And now Russia has finally stopped shipping gas to Europe, which makes European countries finally constrained by gas consumption for factory needs. It turns out that the impact of sanctions against Russia was actually retaliated by stopping gas exports, we know Russia is the largest gas producer in the world and even Francis is the country that buys gas the most from Russia, now he appeals to its citizens not to panic and will immediately take alternative actions using coal. Closing each other's economic gaps has an impact on the instability of other countries. And one thing, non-block countries like me are experiencing the impact of the invasion which is almost a few days where we live the internet is completely down.
But we know very well that this would affect Russia more than it would affect other European countries. Russia is already feeling the heat of the action that they have taken. Their economy is already falling, and their currency is losing value. Other countries can easily make use of other alternatives that are available to them, which I believe for sure that there are so many alternatives to making use of gas.But for Russia, they would keep on keeping the gas for as long, and that is not doing any good to them. Rather it would even’ cause more of negative impact on their economy, since they wouldn’t be making much exports this time around. Other countries have stopped making use of their gas, and they are still doing fine, their economy is still OK even at this point.
And now Russia has finally stopped shipping gas to Europe, which makes European countries finally constrained by gas consumption for factory needs. It turns out that the impact of sanctions against Russia was actually retaliated by stopping gas exports, we know Russia is the largest gas producer in the world and even Francis is the country that buys gas the most from Russia, now he appeals to its citizens not to panic and will immediately take alternative actions using coal. Closing each other's economic gaps has an impact on the instability of other countries. And one thing, non-block countries like me are experiencing the impact of the invasion which is almost a few days where we live the internet is completely down.
Hahaha, reverse-sanction by Putin. Every person who says that Russia is "not relevant" base their analysis through GDP denominated in the U.S. Dollar. BUT the truth is, Russia is the source of 17% of the global supply of Natural Gas, 11% of oil, 11% Wheat, and I believe one of the largest sources of Palladium and fertilizer.However, none of these are things that can't be found in another country. Like wheat, that's a very simple thing, if you got it from one place, you do not look or build in another place, but if west wanted to, they could literally spend enough money to turn ENTIRE African nation (pick any poor one you want) into wheat farm, literally entire nation. Or oil? Saudi Arabia has so much, they could take out all the oil today, and that would be enough for 20 years of wests needs. Basically these are temporary and sudden changes and the economy will be impacted, but in the long run, it is really not a big deal at all.
Let's GUESS. Now let's simulate how it will look in reality?
To begin with, remember - the entire economy of the Russian Federation is either a resource-based economy that depends on Western technologies, or everything else that is completely dependent on Western technologies. Yes, yes - Russia is a technologically backward country. All technologies are borrowed. So. Russia is lowering a new iron curtain. He buys crypts, and / or releases his own, and ? How, for example, will they buy Canadian technologies for gas production for a crypt? Here answer? Provided that the supply of such technologies is prohibited!
To begin with, remember - the entire economy of the Russian Federation is either a resource-based economy that depends on Western technologies, or everything else that is completely dependent on Western technologies. Yes, yes - Russia is a technologically backward country. All technologies are borrowed. So. Russia is lowering a new iron curtain. He buys crypts, and / or releases his own, and ? How, for example, will they buy Canadian technologies for gas production for a crypt? Here answer? Provided that the supply of such technologies is prohibited!
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