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Quote from: kuroman on August 12, 2014, 10:15:10 AM

Quote from: byt411 on August 12, 2014, 07:46:14 AM

As far as I know, that is correct, and it is what I assumed. Japan also (I suspect) have a ton of enriched Plutonium, acquired from its many nuclear power plants. Also, if we can get enough Uranium for Reactors, wouldn't it be a lot more than enough for bombs too?

There are two huge problem with Plutonium acquired from energy nuclear reactors, one is that it is bound to other elements, and two you'll have not only Pu 239 but also 238 240 and 241, and that Pu-240 is highly fissile and would simply cause a bomb to pre-detonate and fizzle.

Also Japans Nuclear waste and circuit is controlled by the IAEA like in any other country, that doesn't mean that Japan cannot built a nuclear bomb within a couple of year, but that would against the non proliferation agreement and also the peace treaty they signed with the US. It's almost impossible for any country to acquire nuclear weapons, unless the country is willing to pay the price as North Korea

OK, can you answer the part about the Uranium then? Also, in times of war, who the heck cares about agreements? Things can be done in secret.

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Quote from: dropt on August 08, 2014, 12:23:04 PM

Russia isn't going to do shit with their Nuclear weapons.

crazy times. US and EU are creeping into russian territory and media says, that its the fault of russia.

history repeats itself.

It's Afghanistan all over again, but in Russia.

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Quote from: LiteCoinGuy on August 12, 2014, 05:28:45 PM

Quote from: dropt on August 08, 2014, 12:23:04 PM

Russia isn't going to do shit with their Nuclear weapons.

crazy times. US and EU are creeping into russian territory and media says, that its the fault of russia.

history repeats itself.

The shooting down of the Malaysian airplane didn't help Russia's cause.

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Quote from: dropt on August 08, 2014, 12:23:04 PM

Russia isn't going to do shit with their Nuclear weapons.

crazy times. US and EU are creeping into russian territory and media says, that its the fault of russia.

history repeats itself.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 12, 2014, 11:04:42 AM

Quote from: kuroman on August 12, 2014, 05:04:24 AM

As for China, they have no problem producing either, and they already have a good stock of Hydrogen bombs (Fission-fusion) and A-bombs (Fission)

Yes. They are hiding their nukes in underground tunnels. More than 3,000 nukes are similarly hidden in China.

China 'hiding up to 3,000 nuclear warheads in secret tunnels'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8927580/China-hiding-up-to-3000-nuclear-warheads-in-secret-tunnels.html

But their missiles are not as good as the Russian / American ones and they don't have advanced submarines which are capable of launching SLBMs.

That would be an understatement saying their missiles are not as good, the easy way to figure out if a country has the capability for precise ICBM attacks is by looking at their space program and chinese can be proud about their space program and things they've achived in such a short laps of time.

Where Russia I feel have an edge might be in their SAM systems, but the US also spreading their wall system which we don't know about much

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Quote from: kuroman on August 12, 2014, 05:04:24 AM

As for China, they have no problem producing either, and they already have a good stock of Hydrogen bombs (Fission-fusion) and A-bombs (Fission)

Yes. They are hiding their nukes in underground tunnels. More than 3,000 nukes are similarly hidden in China.

China 'hiding up to 3,000 nuclear warheads in secret tunnels'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8927580/China-hiding-up-to-3000-nuclear-warheads-in-secret-tunnels.html

But their missiles are not as good as the Russian / American ones and they don't have advanced submarines which are capable of launching SLBMs.

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Quote from: byt411 on August 12, 2014, 07:46:14 AM

As far as I know, that is correct, and it is what I assumed. Japan also (I suspect) have a ton of enriched Plutonium, acquired from its many nuclear power plants. Also, if we can get enough Uranium for Reactors, wouldn't it be a lot more than enough for bombs too?

There are two huge problem with Plutonium acquired from energy nuclear reactors, one is that it is bound to other elements, and two you'll have not only Pu 239 but also 238 240 and 241, and that Pu-240 is highly fissile and would simply cause a bomb to pre-detonate and fizzle.

Also Japans Nuclear waste and circuit is controlled by the IAEA like in any other country, that doesn't mean that Japan cannot built a nuclear bomb within a couple of year, but that would against the non proliferation agreement and also the peace treaty they signed with the US. It's almost impossible for any country to acquire nuclear weapons, unless the country is willing to pay the price as North Korea

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Also, I don't think Americans at large should be too worried in case the West start its customary invasion of Russia. Judging by how Washington played and is still playing Ukraine and the nationalistic card in its western territories, I'd say Washington studied Napoleon pretty well. If an invasion occurs, it'll be Poles and the Baltics that'll get sent as the first line of cannon fodder, with the rest of Europe following. Americans will be watching the fireworks from across the ocean, having only a minimum token presence in the invasion forces.

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Quote from: kuroman on August 12, 2014, 05:04:24 AM

Quote from: byt411 on August 12, 2014, 04:26:03 AM

Can't Uranium be used for Nukes? I have no idea about weapons, but I think Plutonium is sometimes found as a result of Uranium refining and fission, and that it is more powerful than uranium, but can't Uranium simply be used for nukes?

Uranium IS used in Atomic(fission) and even Hydrogen bombs (fusion) for that matter, the thing is, you need enriched Uranium as you might know each element has different isotopes, and in the case of uranium for nukes U-235 is needed for it fission properties (U-233 is even better in theory but it has reaction issues), the natural uranium is U-238 (with around 1% of U-235), for a nuke you'll need an enriched Uranium with 90%+ of U-235.

So no uranium can't be used for nukes like that hence the difficulty

And yes Plutonium can be found in nuclear reactor, as when some of the U-238 acquires a neutron during the fission process it's becomes U-239 which decays to Pu-239, and Plutonium is even better than Uranium in the aspect that the critical mass needed for an A bomb is way lower than the one needed with Uranium, but again the amount of Plutonium needed is in dozens of kgs, and you need over 94% of Pu-239 (which is the highly fissile isotopes of Pu)

As for China, they have no problem producing either, and they already have a good stock of Hydrogen bombs (Fission-fusion) and A-bombs (Fission)

As far as I know, that is correct, and it is what I assumed. Japan also (I suspect) have a ton of enriched Plutonium, acquired from its many nuclear power plants. Also, if we can get enough Uranium for Reactors, wouldn't it be a lot more than enough for bombs too?

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Quote from: oceans on August 12, 2014, 07:17:42 AM

This is just Putin trying to put the frighteners on the Americans, he is always making some kind of threat and never fulfills the threat so in the end the Americans are going to just take his actions as bluffing. I will be very surprised if he does attempt or even succeed in boming America.

No, that's American Main Stream Media, frightening Americans with Putin, all the while preparing Bill 2277, which will open op for US invasion of Russia, using the previously-mentioned "fright" as a pretext..

That is correct, please don't just believe what the media tells you. Use your own common sense and logic to work it out too.

Guys, I have another hypothesis: If China and Japan/US fight, Russia won't do anything. If China starts to lose, Russia will also invade China, and if US/Japan start to lose, Russia will help China.
That should be it.

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Quote from: oceans on August 12, 2014, 07:17:42 AM

This is just Putin trying to put the frighteners on the Americans, he is always making some kind of threat and never fulfills the threat so in the end the Americans are going to just take his actions as bluffing. I will be very surprised if he does attempt or even succeed in boming America.

No, that's American Main Stream Media, frightening Americans with Putin, all the while preparing Bill 2277, which will open op for US invasion of Russia, using the previously-mentioned "fright" as a pretext..

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This is just Putin trying to put the frighteners on the Americans, he is always making some kind of threat and never fulfills the threat so in the end the Americans are going to just take his actions as bluffing. I will be very surprised if he does attempt or even succeed in boming America.

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The Grand Chessboard:
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The Grand Prize is Russia's vast amounts of Natural Resources and precious minerals.

Thus the western rulers must destabilize and dethrone Russia's World Class, Strong-Arm,
Authoritarian Leader (Putin) to gain control of that bounty of resources.

So yes, nothing is off the table, of either side.

It's pure insanity driven by the demand to control ALL the worlds dwindling natural resources
and plunder them of course too.

Full Spectrum Dominance of the Entire World is in play today.

N-Day may be extremely close at hand.

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Quote from: byt411 on August 12, 2014, 04:26:03 AM

Can't Uranium be used for Nukes? I have no idea about weapons, but I think Plutonium is sometimes found as a result of Uranium refining and fission, and that it is more powerful than uranium, but can't Uranium simply be used for nukes?

Uranium IS used in Atomic(fission) and even Hydrogen bombs (fusion) for that matter, the thing is, you need enriched Uranium as you might know each element has different isotopes, and in the case of uranium for nukes U-235 is needed for it fission properties (U-233 is even better in theory but it has reaction issues), the natural uranium is U-238 (with around 1% of U-235), for a nuke you'll need an enriched Uranium with 90%+ of U-235.

So no uranium can't be used for nukes like that hence the difficulty

And yes Plutonium can be found in nuclear reactor, as when some of the U-238 acquires a neutron during the fission process it's becomes U-239 which decays to Pu-239, and Plutonium is even better than Uranium in the aspect that the critical mass needed for an A bomb is way lower than the one needed with Uranium, but again the amount of Plutonium needed is in dozens of kgs, and you need over 94% of Pu-239 (which is the highly fissile isotopes of Pu)

As for China, they have no problem producing either, and they already have a good stock of Hydrogen bombs (Fission-fusion) and A-bombs (Fission)

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Quote from: Steigerz on August 12, 2014, 04:13:32 AM

I don't think the next war will be Chemical or even Nuclear.

The age Cyberwarfare is upon us

Duh, we've been doing that for ages, maybe since the internet existed. Damage isn't really that major, unless you can cripple an entire country's computers, but you can probably do that by firing an EMP from space.

Quote from: wenben on August 12, 2014, 03:12:53 AM

This is just gorilla pound its own chest posture. Every rational person know a war between Russia and US will be the end of human civilization.

Since when were our world leaders rational?

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 11, 2014, 11:10:53 AM

Quote from: byt411 on August 11, 2014, 08:24:29 AM

US won't fight directly, but will supply Japan and Vietnam and others with troops, weapons, and that kind of stuff. No difference.

Hmmm... that is somewhat possible. But if they want to defeat China for sure, then a grand alliance should be formed. All anti-China nations should become part of this alliance. I mean countries such as Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, Philippines, India (?), Taiwan, and Malaysia (?).

In addition to this, they should create a fifth column within China, comprised of the pro-Democracy individuals and organizations. These people can be used for sabotage and ambushes.

Also, Japan.etc should bribe Russia and make sure that no supply of arms and ammunition are transported to China from Russia. (This is very important, because in normal scenario, Russia will look forward to profit from the war, by selling supplies to both the sides at inflated prices).

And most importantly, all the ICBMs of China should be destroyed in sudden attacks. Else, there is a possibility of the Chinese launching at least some of its 3,000+ nukes towards Tokyo and Seoul.

3000 nukes...lols. Why not 100 millions?
They don't even have enough plutonium to build more than 300 and you come up with those 90's fear posts?

Can't Uranium be used for Nukes? I have no idea about weapons, but I think Plutonium is sometimes found as a result of Uranium refining and fission, and that it is more powerful than uranium, but can't Uranium simply be used for nukes?

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I don't think the next war will be Chemical or even Nuclear.

The age Cyberwarfare is upon us

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 11, 2014, 11:10:53 AM

Quote from: byt411 on August 11, 2014, 08:24:29 AM

US won't fight directly, but will supply Japan and Vietnam and others with troops, weapons, and that kind of stuff. No difference.

Hmmm... that is somewhat possible. But if they want to defeat China for sure, then a grand alliance should be formed. All anti-China nations should become part of this alliance. I mean countries such as Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, Philippines, India (?), Taiwan, and Malaysia (?).

In addition to this, they should create a fifth column within China, comprised of the pro-Democracy individuals and organizations. These people can be used for sabotage and ambushes.

Also, Japan.etc should bribe Russia and make sure that no supply of arms and ammunition are transported to China from Russia. (This is very important, because in normal scenario, Russia will look forward to profit from the war, by selling supplies to both the sides at inflated prices).

And most importantly, all the ICBMs of China should be destroyed in sudden attacks. Else, there is a possibility of the Chinese launching at least some of its 3,000+ nukes towards Tokyo and Seoul.

3000 nukes...lols. Why not 100 millions?
They don't even have enough plutonium to build more than 300 and you come up with those 90's fear posts?

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This is just gorilla pound its own chest posture. Every rational person know a war between Russia and US will be the end of human civilization.

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Quote from: byt411 on August 11, 2014, 10:37:04 PM

I thought ICBMs were Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles, and I thought they would be launched to countries in other continents, such as NATO countries.

RF don't need a ballistic missiles if they woulkd decide to turn the most of NATO countries into the dust. There are enougn non-ballistic missiles like Iskander-M for that.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 11, 2014, 11:10:53 AM

Quote from: byt411 on August 11, 2014, 08:24:29 AM

US won't fight directly, but will supply Japan and Vietnam and others with troops, weapons, and that kind of stuff. No difference.

Hmmm... that is somewhat possible. But if they want to defeat China for sure, then a grand alliance should be formed. All anti-China nations should become part of this alliance. I mean countries such as Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, Philippines, India (?), Taiwan, and Malaysia (?).

In addition to this, they should create a fifth column within China, comprised of the pro-Democracy individuals and organizations. These people can be used for sabotage and ambushes.

Also, Japan.etc should bribe Russia and make sure that no supply of arms and ammunition are transported to China from Russia. (This is very important, because in normal scenario, Russia will look forward to profit from the war, by selling supplies to both the sides at inflated prices).

And most importantly, all the ICBMs of China should be destroyed in sudden attacks. Else, there is a possibility of the Chinese launching at least some of its 3,000+ nukes towards Tokyo and Seoul.

I thought ICBMs were Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles, and I thought they would be launched to countries in other continents, such as NATO countries.

Russia won't be bribed that easily, after all, they still sort of support China due to their communist background and dictatorship ideas. If the anti-China countries create an alliance, it would become too noticeable, and the war must be done in a way so that the US isn't involved at all, while they are at the back plotting stuff (like Ukraine right now).

Also, I just thought of something. Russia doesn't have to stop selling Natural Gas to European countries, they can just void the contract, pay the compensation, and then propose a new contract with ridiculous prices for the Natural Gas. Europe has 2 choices: Take it or leave it. If they leave it, they'll have to find a way of generating electricity without the Natural Gas supply from Russia, with infrastructures to be built instantly. Not really possible. So they will be forced to pay ridiculous gas fees.

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Quote from: byt411 on August 11, 2014, 08:24:29 AM

US won't fight directly, but will supply Japan and Vietnam and others with troops, weapons, and that kind of stuff. No difference.

Hmmm... that is somewhat possible. But if they want to defeat China for sure, then a grand alliance should be formed. All anti-China nations should become part of this alliance. I mean countries such as Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, Philippines, India (?), Taiwan, and Malaysia (?).

In addition to this, they should create a fifth column within China, comprised of the pro-Democracy individuals and organizations. These people can be used for sabotage and ambushes.

Also, Japan.etc should bribe Russia and make sure that no supply of arms and ammunition are transported to China from Russia. (This is very important, because in normal scenario, Russia will look forward to profit from the war, by selling supplies to both the sides at inflated prices).

And most importantly, all the ICBMs of China should be destroyed in sudden attacks. Else, there is a possibility of the Chinese launching at least some of its 3,000+ nukes towards Tokyo and Seoul.

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Quote from: byt411 on August 11, 2014, 08:24:29 AM

Yup, claiming that he invented hamburgers is a pretty rational thing. Their country is powered by brainwashing, btw.

There is no reference to him claiming so, and here is the article from where that information came with the correct wording http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2611998/Bizarre-lifestyle-North-Korean-women-convinced-burgers-local-treat-Lady-Gaga-MAN.html

I think what happened there is that as usual with every propaganda and telling half truths,one of his ministries or whatever it is probably introduced hamburger shops in recent year, and since anything is related to glorious leader, hamburgers weren't safe from it

Like I said before, his action are logical from a political stand point he is spreading propaganda to stay and keep his regime in control, like we do in the west to be honest, only here it happens on a much more sophiticated way thanks or because of globalisation and easy access to information

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