Russia is getting ready to bomb the USA :( - page 4.

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Quote from: kuroman on August 11, 2014, 08:01:47 AM

Quote from: byt411 on August 11, 2014, 07:56:03 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 11, 2014, 07:51:26 AM

Quote from: byt411 on August 10, 2014, 05:17:07 AM

If countries that are against China, such as USA, Vietnam, Japan, Philippines and many others declare war on China at the same time, they can't really do much. All they can do is ask for help from Russia and North Korea, and escalate it into a WW3, but China will get bombarded anyway.

In case of a China vs US war, Russia is going to remain neutral. At the most, they might announce some token sanctions against the Americans. Every single one of China's neighbors are concerned about the growing military might of China. Russia is no exception.

Russia is also "neutral" in the Ukranian conflict. I think that would also be the case if that were to happen in US vs China.
Also, everyone is concerned except for Kim Jong Un, who is a crazy pig that has no idea what he's doing. And he would side with China.

I doubt he is a crazy pig that doesn't know what he is doing (as he is portrayed by our medias), in fact what he is doing is pretty rational from a political stand point, hence the only reason why he and his group is in power is because of strong nationalism in the country under the threat of a war with the west and the S.Korea, that's why from time to time you see those kind of baseless acclamations as if he is standing against the US, while in fact N.Korea doesn't stand a chance the real concern with N.Korea is that they could potentially harm S.Korea and maybe Japan.

A full scale war between China and US is not going to happen, as it is the case with Russia, it's even worse with China because both sides will hurt on a large scale economically

Yup, claiming that he invented hamburgers is a pretty rational thing. Their country is powered by brainwashing, btw.

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Quote from: kuroman on August 11, 2014, 08:01:47 AM

A full scale war between China and US is not going to happen, as it is the case with Russia, it's even worse with China because both sides will hurt on a large scale economically

I have to agree with you. A China vs US war is just not viable. It will be economically devastating for both the nations. China is one of the biggest holders of the US treasury bonds and US depends on China for a large part of its imports. So unless China is going to invade Japan or South Korea, there is no chance of a US vs China war.

US won't fight directly, but will supply Japan and Vietnam and others with troops, weapons, and that kind of stuff. No difference.

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Quote from: kuroman on August 11, 2014, 08:01:47 AM

A full scale war between China and US is not going to happen, as it is the case with Russia, it's even worse with China because both sides will hurt on a large scale economically

I have to agree with you. A China vs US war is just not viable. It will be economically devastating for both the nations. China is one of the biggest holders of the US treasury bonds and US depends on China for a large part of its imports. So unless China is going to invade Japan or South Korea, there is no chance of a US vs China war.

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Quote from: byt411 on August 11, 2014, 07:56:03 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 11, 2014, 07:51:26 AM

Quote from: byt411 on August 10, 2014, 05:17:07 AM

If countries that are against China, such as USA, Vietnam, Japan, Philippines and many others declare war on China at the same time, they can't really do much. All they can do is ask for help from Russia and North Korea, and escalate it into a WW3, but China will get bombarded anyway.

In case of a China vs US war, Russia is going to remain neutral. At the most, they might announce some token sanctions against the Americans. Every single one of China's neighbors are concerned about the growing military might of China. Russia is no exception.

Russia is also "neutral" in the Ukranian conflict. I think that would also be the case if that were to happen in US vs China.
Also, everyone is concerned except for Kim Jong Un, who is a crazy pig that has no idea what he's doing. And he would side with China.

I doubt he is a crazy pig that doesn't know what he is doing (as he is portrayed by our medias), in fact what he is doing is pretty rational from a political stand point, hence the only reason why he and his group is in power is because of strong nationalism in the country under the threat of a war with the west and the S.Korea, that's why from time to time you see those kind of baseless acclamations as if he is standing against the US, while in fact N.Korea doesn't stand a chance the real concern with N.Korea is that they could potentially harm S.Korea and maybe Japan.

A full scale war between China and US is not going to happen, as it is the case with Russia, it's even worse with China because both sides will hurt on a large scale economically

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 11, 2014, 07:51:26 AM

Quote from: byt411 on August 10, 2014, 05:17:07 AM

If countries that are against China, such as USA, Vietnam, Japan, Philippines and many others declare war on China at the same time, they can't really do much. All they can do is ask for help from Russia and North Korea, and escalate it into a WW3, but China will get bombarded anyway.

In case of a China vs US war, Russia is going to remain neutral. At the most, they might announce some token sanctions against the Americans. Every single one of China's neighbors are concerned about the growing military might of China. Russia is no exception.

Russia is also "neutral" in the Ukranian conflict. I think that would also be the case if that were to happen in US vs China.
Also, everyone is concerned except for Kim Jong Un, who is a crazy pig that has no idea what he's doing. And he would side with China.

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Quote from: byt411 on August 10, 2014, 05:17:07 AM

If countries that are against China, such as USA, Vietnam, Japan, Philippines and many others declare war on China at the same time, they can't really do much. All they can do is ask for help from Russia and North Korea, and escalate it into a WW3, but China will get bombarded anyway.

In case of a China vs US war, Russia is going to remain neutral. At the most, they might announce some token sanctions against the Americans. Every single one of China's neighbors are concerned about the growing military might of China. Russia is no exception.

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Quote from: Mobius on August 10, 2014, 07:26:08 PM

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Russian Nuclear Bombers Keep Roaming Closer to U.S. Airspace

http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/08/russian-nuclear-bombers-keep-roaming-closer-to-us-airspace/375791/

I think this is written for the benefit of the US citizens so that they will let the government to spend more on military rather then on health care :-)

Btw, nuclear bombers, doesn't mean they have nuke's on board Roll Eyes

They do these flights all the time, even over normal grounds, to test the response time of other country fighters.

I think this is something that is very dangerous, and could easily spark an unintentional war. The other country's fighter jets could fire on the bomber, which could fire back in defense, which could potentially escalate.

actually no, because it's a common practice, US and other countries probably has a couple of nuclear submaries and stealth submarines near Russia for example, heck a recent report of a stealth US submarine that was detected and chased out of territorial water by Russian navy

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Quote from: kuusj98 on August 10, 2014, 02:54:57 PM

Quote from: cryptofan5 on August 09, 2014, 01:25:34 AM

Quote from: LittleD on August 08, 2014, 11:58:28 AM

Russian Nuclear Bombers Keep Roaming Closer to U.S. Airspace

http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/08/russian-nuclear-bombers-keep-roaming-closer-to-us-airspace/375791/

I think this is written for the benefit of the US citizens so that they will let the government to spend more on military rather then on health care :-)

Btw, nuclear bombers, doesn't mean they have nuke's on board Roll Eyes

They do these flights all the time, even over normal grounds, to test the response time of other country fighters.

I think this is something that is very dangerous, and could easily spark an unintentional war. The other country's fighter jets could fire on the bomber, which could fire back in defense, which could potentially escalate.

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No big news here, only the media scaring the public, Russia do this since 1960.

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Quote from: cryptofan5 on August 09, 2014, 01:25:34 AM

Quote from: LittleD on August 08, 2014, 11:58:28 AM

Russian Nuclear Bombers Keep Roaming Closer to U.S. Airspace

http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/08/russian-nuclear-bombers-keep-roaming-closer-to-us-airspace/375791/

I think this is written for the benefit of the US citizens so that they will let the government to spend more on military rather then on health care :-)

Btw, nuclear bombers, doesn't mean they have nuke's on board Roll Eyes

They do these flights all the time, even over normal grounds, to test the response time of other country fighters.

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Quote from: LittleD on August 08, 2014, 11:58:28 AM

Russian Nuclear Bombers Keep Roaming Closer to U.S. Airspace

http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/08/russian-nuclear-bombers-keep-roaming-closer-to-us-airspace/375791/

Haha, love this. All of this is just political posturing (that's aside from the known fact that all of humanity will die if they aren't threatened by the extinction of their race on a weekly basis).

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Those nuclear bombers are obsolete and are used more for declared reconnaissance than anything else, It can be detected by all modern radars, it's not fast nor maneuverable and interceptor could blow it down, the advantage of using such plane, is the altitude, the range and the equipment it can carry that's why they are used

and what with the title of this thread? the only realistic way to drop nukes on the US would be trough ICBM or Nuclear submarines planes are more or less obsolete

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Quote from: dropt on August 08, 2014, 12:23:04 PM

Russia isn't going to do shit with their Nuclear weapons.

^^

. USA got way too many counter missiles.

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Quote from: byt411 on August 10, 2014, 05:36:18 AM

Quote from: niothor on August 10, 2014, 05:25:07 AM

Quote from: byt411 on August 10, 2014, 05:17:07 AM

Not really, they can sustain themselves during a period of time, even without EU/US buying stuff from them. Meanwhile, EU won't have natural gas and everyone over here will get screwed.

If the big pharma groups stop the export of drugs to Russia (85% of the total drugs on the market are imported) will see the Russian population shrink by 10% percent in one year.

Also , what is even funnier is that most of the drilling equipment used by the Russian to dig and process and also transport gas and oil is imported from Holland , Norway and Germany. Wink

Yeah, but they already have that equipment, and if they stop selling gas, they don't really need additional equipment. Also, can i have a source for the drug thing?

http://www.fiercepharma.com/story/russia-sets-out-limits-purchasing-imported-meds/2013-01-02

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Right now, PharmaTimes notes, 85% of Russia's state drug spending goes to foreign-made drugs. In 2011, 93% of the most expensive meds sold in the country were imported. So, moving the needle in the opposite direction will freeze out a lot of foreign-made drug sales.

And , if they already have the equipment why are they still importing it?
Because they need constant replacements , parts and so on.

http://en.ria.ru/business/20140808/191832928/Russias-Rosneft-Proposes-Law-Change-to-Bypass-US-Imports-Ban.html

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MOSCOW, August 1 (RIA Novosti) — Russia’s oil giant Rosneft has proposed to the country’s government to amend its corporate purchases law or scrap import duties on drilling equipment in the wake of the recent Western sanctions, a Russian economic daily wrote Friday.

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It is not the first time that the issue about imposing of duties on import drill rigs has appeared on the Russian agenda. Not long ago the government concluded that the domestic manufacturer needs protection, and approved import duty rates equal to 5-15% of the customs value of equipment. Later, they were slashed to zero due to demands from the oil-and-gas lobby asserting that home manufacturers do not take into account requirements of drilling companies and do not make user-friendly and efficient drill rigs.
The cancellation of duties gave certain results: now Russian companies are manufacturing drill rigs entirely by customers' specifications, completing them with the components preferred by oil companies. However, another problem came up: being of similar configuration, Russian rigs turned out to be much more expensive than Chinese equipment and just slightly cheaper than German rigs. The reason was not only in annually increasing rates for gas, electricity, gasoline, metal and rail transportation, but also in the Chinese approach to industrial management. Cheap labor, low taxes and costs put Russian manufacturers at a disadvantage.

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Quote from: niothor on August 10, 2014, 05:25:07 AM

Quote from: byt411 on August 10, 2014, 05:17:07 AM

Not really, they can sustain themselves during a period of time, even without EU/US buying stuff from them. Meanwhile, EU won't have natural gas and everyone over here will get screwed.

If the big pharma groups stop the export of drugs to Russia (85% of the total drugs on the market are imported) will see the Russian population shrink by 10% percent in one year.

Also , what is even funnier is that most of the drilling equipment used by the Russian to dig and process and also transport gas and oil is imported from Holland , Norway and Germany. Wink

Yeah, but they already have that equipment, and if they stop selling gas, they don't really need additional equipment. Also, can i have a source for the drug thing?

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Quote from: byt411 on August 10, 2014, 05:17:07 AM

Not really, they can sustain themselves during a period of time, even without EU/US buying stuff from them. Meanwhile, EU won't have natural gas and everyone over here will get screwed.

If the big pharma groups stop the export of drugs to Russia (85% of the total drugs on the market are imported) will see the Russian population shrink by 10% percent in one year.

Also , what is even funnier is that most of the drilling equipment used by the Russian to dig and process and also transport gas and oil is imported from Holland , Norway and Germany. Wink

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Quote from: Lethn on August 10, 2014, 05:21:53 AM

Just glanced to the right at all those other bullshit articles that the wired has posted up, you guys need to bring better sources along, as other people have already claimed, Russia has been putting stuff close to the U.S/Canadian airspace for years, the media are trying to spread panic and force people to make stupid decisions like with Iraq.

The politicians make the decisions, people have not much say in it - unless they do a mass demonstration like it happened in Vietnam. If the politicians never mentioned Iraq in the media, I doubt there would have been an invasion at all.

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Just glanced to the right at all those other bullshit articles that the wired has posted up, you guys need to bring better sources along, as other people have already claimed, Russia has been putting stuff close to the U.S/Canadian airspace for years, the media are trying to spread panic and force people to make stupid decisions like with Iraq.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 10, 2014, 01:31:11 AM

Quote from: Balthazar on August 09, 2014, 02:36:28 PM

Quote from: Nemo1024 on August 09, 2014, 02:35:49 PM

Are you trying to say that nuclear contamination from a nuclear bomb or, say 10x of those is not comparable in health consequences to the radiation emitted from a nucler power plant disaster?

Exactly.

The Russian and American nuclear weapons which are currently active, are much more powerful than the ones which were dropped over Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Hiroshima bomb killed people within a 10 sq. km area (around 2,500 acres). But an average Russian / American nuclear weapon (current) can wipe off life from at least 100 sq. km of area. If some one detonates 10,000 nukes, then that will be capable of wiping out life from the entire continental USA + Alaska.

100sq km multiplied by 10 000 means 1 000 000 sq km. total area of the united states is 9 mils.

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/how-i-learnt-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 09, 2014, 01:45:34 AM

Quote from: REDoctober on August 09, 2014, 12:27:29 AM

The only thing Russia will bomb is its own economy.

Putin doesn't cares about the Russian economy. On the other hand what will happen to the European / American economies once crude hits $250 a barrel? And from where the EU will get half of its natural gas?

Not really, they can sustain themselves during a period of time, even without EU/US buying stuff from them. Meanwhile, EU won't have natural gas and everyone over here will get screwed.

They can also happily dump their US Dollar reserves, and stop using it as a reserve currency. That would cause the US Dollar to collapse, and hopefully, they will use BTC as an alternative and BTC will skyrocket! xD

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Quote from: REDoctober on August 09, 2014, 03:15:50 AM

Don't you believe it. and yer leavin' the screaming Chinese out of it.

You are overestimating the Chinese. The Chinese Armed Forces might rank #4 or #5 in the world, but as far as the nukes are concerned, they are far behind the superpowers. The reasons are:

1. Not enough high-grade Uranium
2. Technology is not advanced
3. ICBMs are not very capable.

If countries that are against China, such as USA, Vietnam, Japan, Philippines and many others declare war on China at the same time, they can't really do much. All they can do is ask for help from Russia and North Korea, and escalate it into a WW3, but China will get bombarded anyway.

However, China's original strategy was to have as large of a population as possible, so that after a nuclear war, thousands of US people and EU people will have to face millions of Chinese. A bit exaggerated, but the original plan was something like that. They switched to the one-child policy after Mao Zedong realized that if the population continued to grow, it wouldn't be sustainable at all.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 10, 2014, 01:31:11 AM

Quote from: Balthazar on August 09, 2014, 02:36:28 PM

Quote from: Nemo1024 on August 09, 2014, 02:35:49 PM

Are you trying to say that nuclear contamination from a nuclear bomb or, say 10x of those is not comparable in health consequences to the radiation emitted from a nucler power plant disaster?

Exactly.

The Russian and American nuclear weapons which are currently active, are much more powerful than the ones which were dropped over Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Hiroshima bomb killed people within a 10 sq. km area (around 2,500 acres). But an average Russian / American nuclear weapon (current) can wipe off life from at least 100 sq. km of area. If some one detonates 10,000 nukes, then that will be capable of wiping out life from the entire continental USA + Alaska.

We're speaking about contamination only. Even so-called "dirty" nuclear bombs with uranium-238 case are incomparable with destruction of nuclear reactor. Any attempt to compare them is a joke.

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