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Quote from: mk4 on February 23, 2022, 11:47:16 PM

As more market uncertainty arises due to the possibility of a war, probably expect more draw-downs across the board(stocks, crypto). It doesn't help that Putin is apparently going bollocks. I mean, those statements just gives me chills. Imo it's the season to be defensive, rather than to make as much gains as possible, with altcoins being a really really bad pick.

With that said, prayers and best wishes to our Ukranian friends. Stay safe.

The war impact was not only on the country. But it was a impact in the crytocurrency. Most of the coin get into the year least reduction in a few months.The price of bitcoin was reduced in a huge manner.The price variation in a short period should be used for the investment in the coin.All should parallel pray for the Ukraine people.

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Putin has completely lost it probably because he doesn't want to see Ukraine overtake them in the future in terms of power etc. Just checked the news several minutes ago and he ordered his army to resume offensive in a barbaric manner.

Other countries aren't joining the war primarily because they don't want this war to turn into WW3 which makes sense, but Ukraine is screwed in the process.

The world was slowly and steadily recovering from the COVID threat in recent years and now this happens. Ukraine is putting up a brave stand currently, but the only way to settle this issue effectively is through diplomatic negotiations.

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Quote from: stadus on February 26, 2022, 05:12:18 PM

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Quote from: Argoo on February 24, 2022, 01:44:39 AM

I live in Ukraine. According to the news, at 4:30 am today, Putin gave the order to attack Ukraine. The attack took place on the side of the Russian border, as well as on the side of the Belarusian border. Explosions are shown in different cities of Ukraine, as well as Kiev. They hit airports, ammunition depots and other critical infrastructure. The armed forces of Ukraine entered the battle. Let's see what happens next.
We have just heard that a Russian fighter jet has been shot down over Ukraine.

This is too bad to hear..Hopefully the situation between Russia and Ukraine will be resolved as quickly as soon as possible..So the people can continue to live normally with their friends and family.

That is unlikely to happen for now as Putin is very firm in his decision that this war could no longer be stopped anymore once he started in. And i think Putin knew that this would happen the moment Ukraine has become an ally to US because its always US that will create a war between two countries but in reality, this US country is very afraid to go on a war. So Putin has planned this already before. And knowing the fact that Russia is a supplier of strong armed weapons, that will totally beat Ukraine this time.

I am wondering what Russia will do to Germany and other neighboring countries, now that Germany is helping the armaments of Ukraine. Because Putin said that those who will interfere will face consequences. Definitely, Putin has been preparing for this long time ago. He won't go at war not prepared. He knows what he's getting into. A savage move during this 21st century. Maybe, Russians should throw out from his leadership. Putin has a different mindset. They need a younger blood to change this kind of thinking. Let Ukraine live in democracy.

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They may likely more down trend direction in the coming weeks if the invasion by the Russian government continue in Ukraine. No one expected this kind of a thing in this 21st century but to commentators are saying that the body language of the Russian in some weeks ago should have made people to know nothing can stop this invasion. But it is unfortunate that the Ukrainians are experiencing this because they want freedom.

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Quote from: jhonjhon on February 26, 2022, 03:08:07 AM

Quote from: Argoo on February 24, 2022, 01:44:39 AM

I live in Ukraine. According to the news, at 4:30 am today, Putin gave the order to attack Ukraine. The attack took place on the side of the Russian border, as well as on the side of the Belarusian border. Explosions are shown in different cities of Ukraine, as well as Kiev. They hit airports, ammunition depots and other critical infrastructure. The armed forces of Ukraine entered the battle. Let's see what happens next.
We have just heard that a Russian fighter jet has been shot down over Ukraine.

This is too bad to hear..Hopefully the situation between Russia and Ukraine will be resolved as quickly as soon as possible..So the people can continue to live normally with their friends and family.

That is unlikely to happen for now as Putin is very firm in his decision that this war could no longer be stopped anymore once he started in. And i think Putin knew that this would happen the moment Ukraine has become an ally to US because its always US that will create a war between two countries but in reality, this US country is very afraid to go on a war. So Putin has planned this already before. And knowing the fact that Russia is a supplier of strong armed weapons, that will totally beat Ukraine this time.

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Quote from: Argoo on February 24, 2022, 01:44:39 AM

I live in Ukraine. According to the news, at 4:30 am today, Putin gave the order to attack Ukraine. The attack took place on the side of the Russian border, as well as on the side of the Belarusian border. Explosions are shown in different cities of Ukraine, as well as Kiev. They hit airports, ammunition depots and other critical infrastructure. The armed forces of Ukraine entered the battle. Let's see what happens next.
We have just heard that a Russian fighter jet has been shot down over Ukraine.

This is too bad to hear..Hopefully the situation between Russia and Ukraine will be resolved as quickly as soon as possible..So the people can continue to live normally with their friends and family.

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Quote from: poldanmig on February 25, 2022, 02:00:18 PM

Quote from: Dunamisx on February 25, 2022, 11:52:24 AM

As at recent, i heard the US sent about 7000 soldiers and am sure its has nothing to impact on the 100,000 soldiers Russia has mounted while the NATO combined forces too can sound a little significant but only if China could join the war against Russia is when i think more hope can be emancipated, but even as at now, China remain mute about the issue. I hope at the end it will cost Russia than it will pays them for haven taken such a move.

I actually hope that both countries can contain their emotions more to avoid a lot of destruction on both sides, from some media that I read, now more than 300 people have become victims of the Russian invasion and most of them are civilians. I think if NATO also joins ukraine of course the war will get worse in my opinion, even though nato has a desire to help ukraine but still i doubt if they do not have their own interests in this matter, I think it is time for the UN to act to establish dialogue between the two countries and at least the UN can stop a bigger war from happening.

Correct me but I don't think that NATO will interfere with what is happening right now because they aren't in a position to do it.
Ukraine isn't a member of NATO so why they will try to help them? I mean I don't understand why will they help a country that they aren't allied at first place.

I've watched a video saying that US will not interfere with what is happening but they already gave sanctions to Russia. If NATO will involve themselves in this war, then it will be a disaster because more countries will try and join the war and we know what will happen next after it so its better if they will just remain silent. We already know what will happen. We know what are the capabilities of Russians with regards to war. They are one of the top if not the top in terms of military forces. Still, its very sad to see that people whether civilians or soldiers are dying because of war. In a war, death is inevitable that is why there are no benefits in a war Cry

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I am watching the news and there seems to be few reports of organized resistance from the Ukrainians. The Russians are slowly proceeding with their plan, without facing much resistance. They have either encircled or taken control of major cities such as Kyiv, Kharkov, Chernigov, Melitopol and Kherson. A large part of the Ukrainian army seems to have either surrendered or melted away. The Ukrainian government has claimed that they have killed hundreds, or even thousands of Russian troops. But I really doubt whether a single Russian soldier has been killed inside Ukraine.

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Ban Russia from SWIFT! Protect Ukrainian Sky! Send NATO to Ukraine! #BanRussiafromSwift #CloseTheSky #SendNatoToUkraine
you can ban me if you think it's necessary!!!

I don't know if you're trolling or you're for real but nonetheless, I'll send my thoughts and prayers to you. Also, if you're a civilian, you should start evacuating already because you're life is more important than what you have right now, you're call won't be heard though, pretty sure that no one in this forum has the authority to ban Russia from SWIFT or even send NATO to Ukraine, remember that International politics is all about balancing the scales without letting the doomsday clock strike at midnight. Even though I'm not from Ukraine, I am scared in this war, with Russia as the main player, they can easily escalate this war into a nuclear one.

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Quote from: mk4 on February 23, 2022, 11:47:16 PM

As more market uncertainty arises due to the possibility of a war, probably expect more draw-downs across the board(stocks, crypto). It doesn't help that Putin is apparently going bollocks. I mean, those statements just gives me chills. Imo it's the season to be defensive, rather than to make as much gains as possible, with altcoins being a really really bad pick.

With that said, prayers and best wishes to our Ukranian friends. Stay safe.

"We aim a demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine by filling Ukraine with military and nazi's. Considering Ukraine and Russia are meant to be "brothers" the Russian president has gone insane. He is literally the architect of a murderous war that never needed to happen. It's all because he has achieved nothing in the last 20 years but see a further fall of Russia through corruption and cronyism that pervades the country from the very top downwards. He is trying to relive his childhood by trying to recreate the USSR, the USSR that failed because it offers countries within it nothing but fear and repression. Any Russian should be thoroughly ashamed of their government right now and any Russian soldier in Ukraine should do the world a favor and turn their gun on themselves.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on February 25, 2022, 11:52:24 AM

As at recent, i heard the US sent about 7000 soldiers and am sure its has nothing to impact on the 100,000 soldiers Russia has mounted while the NATO combined forces too can sound a little significant but only if China could join the war against Russia is when i think more hope can be emancipated, but even as at now, China remain mute about the issue. I hope at the end it will cost Russia than it will pays them for haven taken such a move.

I actually hope that both countries can contain their emotions more to avoid a lot of destruction on both sides, from some media that I read, now more than 300 people have become victims of the Russian invasion and most of them are civilians. I think if NATO also joins ukraine of course the war will get worse in my opinion, even though nato has a desire to help ukraine but still i doubt if they do not have their own interests in this matter, I think it is time for the UN to act to establish dialogue between the two countries and at least the UN can stop a bigger war from happening.

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As at recent, i heard the US sent about 7000 soldiers and am sure its has nothing to impact on the 100,000 soldiers Russia has mounted while the NATO combined forces too can sound a little significant but only if China could join the war against Russia is when i think more hope can be emancipated, but even as at now, China remain mute about the issue. I hope at the end it will cost Russia than it will pays them for haven taken such a move.

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Quote from: killerfrost on February 24, 2022, 10:58:03 AM

Although we don't want this to happen in our lives, it is happening in a bad way. I've tried to learn about world history and look at conflicts, and there's a lot of things that are being repeated about the economic conflicts of interests of nations, outbreaks of diseases, wars... it's hard to judge who is right and wrong when all sides have their own views, but war is the worst way to make a new beginning Sad

As a regular individuals yes, we don't want this to happen because wars is a scary thing to us, it can destroy lives and the market but there are people that want this to happen, they are the higher authorities like the governments and the military forces. Wars are just wars and I don't think diseases are related to it but they are more natural and I don't believe that someone can create it and spread it.

It can be that both of them are right because why would they start a war? A war can mean that one of them wont agree with the other. I am not really into this issue and haven't done a research yet but I heard that Russia is being often blamed so maybe it was Russia's fault? But, yeah war is not an immediate solution to fix that.

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Quote from: Argoo on February 25, 2022, 01:19:15 AM

During the first day of aggression, Russia lost more than 30 tanks, about 130 armored vehicles, 7 aircraft and 6 combat helicopters, about 800 invaders were killed. Losses of Ukrainians - 136 people killed.

It is hard to believe in these numbers, as according to mass media, Russian army is much more developed then Ukrainian. These numbers are either fake, or Ukrainian propaganda. Otherwise it looks like Ukraine army is using lasers and technologies from Star Wars, while Russia is attacking with sticks and stones. What about pictures of destroyed military locators that appeared in media yesterday?

We are in 21 century. With all modern technologies, dont you think armies wont do point strikes first, destroy those who is covered with bombs and only then send infantry and vehicles?

Quote from: TravelMug on February 25, 2022, 01:37:20 AM

On the other hand, Ukraine is lamenting that they were left to find alone in this war when they supposedly allies who keeps making noise and maybe egging them to engage Russia seems to be quiet.

I dont know how to end situation. Politician talks does not help, they can come to an agreement. All the sanctions from both or every side only make situation worse. I dont understand who is winning from all this. Russia - no, Europe - no, Ukraine - no, Economy - no.

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Quote from: mk4 on February 25, 2022, 01:28:38 AM

Quote from: Darker45 on February 25, 2022, 12:28:14 AM

Yes, of course. There are no conclusions here. We're all simply speculating, but based on available facts, of course. As a matter of fact, there is also that possibility that all these price movements of Bitcoin and the rest of the crypto market don't have anything to do with this Russia-Ukraine conflict or war. War has been imminent for the past hours, days, and weeks and yet Bitcoin generally behaves the way it has always been. Perhaps we couldn't even provide conclusive answers to a more fundamental question, will Bitcoin's price significantly react to regional conflict the way the traditional market does?

I mean, it already did react the same way as traditional markets did(US stock market specifically, but not as bad as Ukrainian and Russian markets did — obviously); and I don't think $BTC and the risk-on US tech stocks moving in tandem would change any time soon.

We may be referring to different sets of data. On the very day Putin ordered the attack on Ukraine, CNN Business headlines Global stocks plunge as Russia attacks Ukraine. Which in detail means, in terms of European stocks, "FTSE 100 fell 3.9% in London, France's CAC 40 dropped 3.8% and Germany's DAX 30 shed 4%." Furthermore, "Russian stocks crashed, with the country's main index dropping 45% before recovering some losses and closing 33% lower."^[1]

In terms of US stocks, "the Nasdaq Composite declined 0.2%, opening the day in bear-market territory. The Dow sank 1.9%, or 675 points. The S&P 500 fell 1.2%."^[Ibid.]

Meanwhile, "in Asia, Hong Kong's Hang Seng Index (HSI) dropped 3.2%, its biggest daily loss in five months. Japan's Nikkei 225 (N225) lost 1.8% and China's Shanghai Composite moved 1.7% lower."^[Ibid.]

Also, "the Russian ruble briefly crashed about 10% to a record low of 90 against the US dollar."^[Ibid.]

On the same day, Bitcoin, on the other hand, opened at $37,372 and closed at $38,363. For the past 24 hours, Bitcoin has registered a double-digit growth.^[2]

[1] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/23/investing/dow-futures-global-markets-russia-operation-intl-hnk/index.html
[2] https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bitcoin

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Quote from: bakasabo on February 24, 2022, 06:53:33 AM

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What I don't agree with is that if gas from Russia is no longer accepted, then the Russians would win. Win what? Will they be eating that cheaper gas? Clearly no. So I don't think so.

I am not an expert and far from politics and this might sound controversial. But what resources and goods other countries have, that Russia dont have or feel the need? Except money. Russia got luck with their territory. From school program, I remember that Russian territory has all the resources from periodic table. They have resources to produce everything. If we start to dream about alternative future, then Russia can isolate themselves from other world and survive or live for a very long period.

P.S. I meant that they dont eat cheap gas, but will make it cheap for their people. If no one buys, they will be forced to sell it for a low price for themselves.

I'm also not an expert, but from what I read Russia is dependent on industries like semicon that's why it was the first to be sanction by the West.

But still they have the leverage, they supply like 10% of the world so that alone is a huge bargaining power on their side.

On the other hand, Ukraine is lamenting that they were left to find alone in this war when they supposedly allies who keeps making noise and maybe egging them to engage Russia seems to be quiet.

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Quote from: Darker45 on February 25, 2022, 12:28:14 AM

Yes, of course. There are no conclusions here. We're all simply speculating, but based on available facts, of course. As a matter of fact, there is also that possibility that all these price movements of Bitcoin and the rest of the crypto market don't have anything to do with this Russia-Ukraine conflict or war. War has been imminent for the past hours, days, and weeks and yet Bitcoin generally behaves the way it has always been. Perhaps we couldn't even provide conclusive answers to a more fundamental question, will Bitcoin's price significantly react to regional conflict the way the traditional market does?

I mean, it already did react the same way as traditional markets did(US stock market specifically, but not as bad as Ukrainian and Russian markets did — obviously); and I don't think $BTC and the risk-on US tech stocks moving in tandem would change any time soon.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on February 24, 2022, 02:09:23 AM

Quote from: Argoo on February 24, 2022, 01:44:39 AM

I live in Ukraine. According to the news, at 4:30 am today, Putin gave the order to attack Ukraine. The attack took place on the side of the Russian border, as well as on the side of the Belarusian border. Explosions are shown in different cities of Ukraine, as well as Kiev. They hit airports, ammunition depots and other critical infrastructure. The armed forces of Ukraine entered the battle. Let's see what happens next.
We have just heard that a Russian fighter jet has been shot down over Ukraine.

Thank you for busting the FUD that are being spread around the world. Wink

Can you give us constant updates on the things happening there and how your government are dealing with this? Do you see any foreign troops entering your country... or are this just your own army fighting by themselves?

I hope the rest of the world will do anything in their power to prevent a full scale war, because there are no winners in a war. Also, please give us a bit of background on why Russia is so focused on invading the Ukraine?

May God be with you in these terrible times. Sad

During the first day of aggression, Russia lost more than 30 tanks, about 130 armored vehicles, 7 aircraft and 6 combat helicopters, about 800 invaders were killed. Losses of Ukrainians - 136 people killed. Near Kiev, the landing force of the vaunted Pskov Airborne Division in the amount of 200 people was completely destroyed, the threat to Kiev was eliminated. Putin's blitzkrieg failed.
The entire civilized world is now on the side of Ukraine. Even an international hacker group has declared cyberwar on Russia.

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Some positive news came out this morning, Putin announced that he has no interest for capturing the Ukraine probably they may free the Russian support states and let the remaining on their own and also US said no military aid for Ukraine so we may see an end soon and hope many lives will be saved. Along with this news the price of Bitcoin and gold started to shoot up a little bit.

Yes, it was a peaceful news this morning, to all Ukraine and Russian for the peace words that was coming out from the mouth of Putin. This show that other countries of the world has showed interest to allow peace to rain between Russian and Ukraine so that the war will not collapse their economy that is about to improve higher and also not to take people lives.
During the process of the good news,we came to discovered bitcoin price has improved to $38k which is seriously giving some investors a big hope that the price of bitcoin will soon increase to $75k before the end of this month. Many coins are showing some signs of improvement to allow traders to be more comfortable to achieve massive income from their trade.

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Unfortunately, Russia began its attacks on Ukraine, but fortunately the United States and NATO were satisfied with imposing economic sanctions on Russia. If NATO decided to intervene militarily, we would have seen a third world war. In any case, this news caused the price of gold and oil to rise and global stock exchanges to fall as well. Cryptocurrencies, Bitcoin fell to 33k$ but fortunately it is now recovering and back to almost 39k$ point.
In my opinion, the effect on the market is over, and the rebound may be at any moment, and the key to the rise of Bitcoin is 46,000$ if it manages to reach this point. But we need more time to monitor the results of the developments of the Russian military campaign against Ukraine.

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