Military boats violated pre-2014 territorial waters of Russia.
They were warned several dozen times. This can be proven by footage from satellites, and from recordings of the talks.
Sailors surrendered and testified against the Ukrainian organisers of this provocation.
Are you implying that all countries should stop defending their borders?
Well, regarding the situation on border with Mexico, you probably are.
Topic: Russian act of war - page 4. (Read 1006 times)
The United States is really the number one in the world. They can let Russia fall. If Russia is not Putin, it may have split. Now the Russian economy is terrible. The move by Ukraine is undoubtedly self-defeating. If the war begins, the Ukrainian people will instantly become dead bodies. Such a government should not ignore the people’s lives. Don't underestimate Russia, they have already had enough.
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/president-of-ukraine-claims-large-scale-russian-invasion-of-country-being-planned/
Holy shit. WW3 coming soon.
Holy shit. WW3 coming soon.
If something like this happen it would be an economic suicide for Russia, plus they will be cut loose from all the international summit and global political decisions.
I see they have a lot to lose from a move like that. Without even considering the fact NATO will probably step up his presence on border countries. Is it really worth?
These statements aren't worth anything unless you're willing to back them up with war. Europe, in a way, is speaking on behalf of the US military. As an American, I'm not willing to go to war over this. Its none of my concern. We have our own crumbling nation to deal with. I may not like Trump but I never thought we should be the police of the world anyway. No. More. Wars.
The United Nations was formed to solve problems like this without relying on war, but they're failing in the same way the League of Nations failed post WW1.
If you look at Germany pre-WW2, you can see similar geopolitical land grabs that feel eerily similar to Russian's land grabs today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Events_preceding_World_War_II_in_Europe#German_expansionism
The issue is being proactive rather than reactive; we KNEW this was coming: https://www.stripes.com/news/us/russia-warns-sea-of-azov-off-limits-to-us-nato-ship-drills-1.552511
If we had placed some of our larger destroyers in that sea (assuming they'd even fit through the multiple canals); they'd have issues seizing a US ship.
Yes this is a lot like Sudetenland to Germany but in both cases, they will only take what they know they can take, what the world powers will allow them to take without stepping in. They also will only take places where people will receive their occupation well. Taking Eastern Ukraine is not going to give Russia confidence that they can overrun NATO or make Polish people want to live under Russian rule. Putin understands that there will be overwhelming resistance the moment they cross into NATO territory. Empty threats would blur that red line and potentially lead to a miscalculation on one side. You have to calculate the cost here. Is Ukraine's sovereignty worth nuclear war?
https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/ukraine-defence-sec-says-russias-moves-act-of-war-20181125
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46338671
After capturing 3x Ukraine military vessels.
Russian geopolitical expansion must be stopped; they shouldn't be able to seize the Sea of Azov.
Ahaha; even Reuters are reporting on the issue:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-russia-germany/germany-russian-blockade-of-sea-of-azov-is-unacceptable-idUSKCN1NV11V?utm_source=reddit.com
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"We heard reports on incident and have concluded that it was an act of war by Russian Federation against Ukraine"
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46338671
After capturing 3x Ukraine military vessels.
Russian geopolitical expansion must be stopped; they shouldn't be able to seize the Sea of Azov.
Ahaha; even Reuters are reporting on the issue:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-russia-germany/germany-russian-blockade-of-sea-of-azov-is-unacceptable-idUSKCN1NV11V?utm_source=reddit.com
Start arming the Ukrainians, I say!
I`d be cautious with making conclusions nowadays. With the amount of fake news and provocations, I wouldn`t be surprised if it was Ukraine`s masterplan.
After all, it looks too suspicious: there is president elections in Ukraine soon, and it`s not allowed to elect the new president during state of defense situation. It could as well be a political move and very skillful usage of the current political situation by Ukraine`s government
After all, it looks too suspicious: there is president elections in Ukraine soon, and it`s not allowed to elect the new president during state of defense situation. It could as well be a political move and very skillful usage of the current political situation by Ukraine`s government
Uhhh.... how would that remotely be true? It's be collaborated by several different nations. There's actual pictures from the BBC that shows that the boat blockaded actually exists.
In reality, this is Russia trying to spread misinformation regarding the situation by saying "UKRAINE IS AT FAULT FOR OUR ACTS OF AGGRESSION"
The United Nations was formed to solve problems like this without relying on war, but they're failing in the same way the League of Nations failed post WW1.
I thought the United Nations was formed to invade countries to force the removal of elected governments, and to promote the sale of US armaments.
I`d be cautious with making conclusions nowadays. With the amount of fake news and provocations, I wouldn`t be surprised if it was Ukraine`s masterplan.
After all, it looks too suspicious: there is president elections in Ukraine soon, and it`s not allowed to elect the new president during state of defense situation. It could as well be a political move and very skillful usage of the current political situation by Ukraine`s government
After all, it looks too suspicious: there is president elections in Ukraine soon, and it`s not allowed to elect the new president during state of defense situation. It could as well be a political move and very skillful usage of the current political situation by Ukraine`s government
These statements aren't worth anything unless you're willing to back them up with war. Europe, in a way, is speaking on behalf of the US military. As an American, I'm not willing to go to war over this. Its none of my concern. We have our own crumbling nation to deal with. I may not like Trump but I never thought we should be the police of the world anyway. No. More. Wars.
The United Nations was formed to solve problems like this without relying on war, but they're failing in the same way the League of Nations failed post WW1.
If you look at Germany pre-WW2, you can see similar geopolitical land grabs that feel eerily similar to Russian's land grabs today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Events_preceding_World_War_II_in_Europe#German_expansionism
The issue is being proactive rather than reactive; we KNEW this was coming: https://www.stripes.com/news/us/russia-warns-sea-of-azov-off-limits-to-us-nato-ship-drills-1.552511
If we had placed some of our larger destroyers in that sea (assuming they'd even fit through the multiple canals); they'd have issues seizing a US ship.
These statements aren't worth anything unless you're willing to back them up with war. Europe, in a way, is speaking on behalf of the US military. As an American, I'm not willing to go to war over this. Its none of my concern. We have our own crumbling nation to deal with. I may not like Trump but I never thought we should be the police of the world anyway. No. More. Wars.
https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/ukraine-defence-sec-says-russias-moves-act-of-war-20181125
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46338671
After capturing 3x Ukraine military vessels.
Russian geopolitical expansion must be stopped; they shouldn't be able to seize the Sea of Azov.
Ahaha; even Reuters are reporting on the issue:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-russia-germany/germany-russian-blockade-of-sea-of-azov-is-unacceptable-idUSKCN1NV11V?utm_source=reddit.com
Quote
"We heard reports on incident and have concluded that it was an act of war by Russian Federation against Ukraine"
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46338671
After capturing 3x Ukraine military vessels.
Russian geopolitical expansion must be stopped; they shouldn't be able to seize the Sea of Azov.
Ahaha; even Reuters are reporting on the issue:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-russia-germany/germany-russian-blockade-of-sea-of-azov-is-unacceptable-idUSKCN1NV11V?utm_source=reddit.com
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