Topic: Russian Gas ban - A problem for Europe or suicide for Russia? - page 42. (Read 14450 times)

It is too early to tell who will be victorious in this confrontation. I would still prefer not to call it war. Each side seeks to save its allies, since the two sides of the conflict are not mainly affected in what looks like a proxy war, even though Russia is in direct confrontation.

Well, I don’t know how to show you even more clearly?





this example will definitely be included in the reference book on practical psychiatry ))))

Is that harsh Pakistani sarcasm?

I don't know what you are talking about. I am looking at the prices, and I don't see any real decrease in the natural gas prices. Dutch TTF gas is still trading at $2,385 per thousand cubic meter, which is more than 20 times the price we had in 2020. Do you really think that this is cheap? Maybe cheap for Europeans, but definitely not for us Asians. And you can claim that a few days back gas was trading at $3,500-$4,000 per kcu.m, and now it is slightly cheaper. But this will change if Russians stop transporting gas through the Ukraine pipeline.

Russia is playing with fire.
Stopping the pumping of gas has a cost on the mechanisms that work to pump the gas and on the pipes that transport that gas. It means the gas that is not pumped into the distribution pipelines will be wasted without any benefit. Russia cannot continue to impose these sanctions without having alternatives to using the extracted gas.

...what an unfair world!
And tell me - do you happen to know what is the reason for the gas collapse in the market?

But all this will be fixed, soon India will also be able to buy gas for a penny from the world's hole, which will simply have nowhere to put gas.

Just for information - after an absolutely artificial acceleration of prices, in the second half of August (although the process actually began earlier), through economic terrorist blackmail by Russia, now the price of gas has begun to decline. Exactly like oil. You can lie for a long time, you can write propaganda nonsense for a long time, you can try to terrorize the world, but sooner or later this comes to an end. So it happened with the gas terror. There are enough suppliers, but it’s a little difficult to switch abruptly, but this can be solved in 2-3 years maximum ... In the meantime, at the hub in the Netherlands, the price of gas has already fallen by almost 18% in a couple of days. This is a fact, and unlike Russian propaganda, it is easily verifiable In a word - hold out a little, and India will also use the resources of the destroyed under-empire for a penny

It is good to hear that the gas is not wasted.

Here in India we are almost completely dependent on LNG cargoes from Qatar. And they are making insane profits now, by jacking up the prices by 10x or 20x. If that damn pipeline was completed on time, then we would have been in much better condition. I guess back then no one actually imagined that gas producing countries such as Qatar would resort to blackmail.


In short Indians are suffering as a result of proxy war between US and Iran. Electricity bills are going up everywhere are yours is not an isolated scenario. Fortunately, here in India we didn't closed down all of our coal and nuclear powerplants as demanded by loonies such as Greta Thunberg.

Imran khan was removed from power just to bring back the pro USA politicians back in power i.e. Shahbaz Sharif and Asif Zardari. The regime change operation was done by Pakistan army. Majority of people here support imran khan and it seems that sooner or later the people will lose temper against these puppets of usa and we have a revolution like we have in Iran. Other then that there is no hope.


It was originally IPI (iran Pakistan india) and proposed back in mid 90s. India backed out since they don't wanna get dependent on Pakistan for its energy supplies. Moreover usa offered India nuclear deal as an alternative to this deal. There are many reasons for India quitting this project but Pakistan should have finished it by now to meet its energy needs.
 I merely escaped a heart attack after seeing my electricity bill of last month.

I don't think it is anymore. The amount of wasted gas used to be high a decade ago but it has been decreasing. In fact a couple of years ago the head of NISOC talked about the major ongoing project to zero the amount of gas flares and use that gas for many things including in power plants for electricity generation, in refineries, etc.

Keep in mind that Iran with its 90 million population is also one of the biggest gas consumers.

It’s true, I have an old colleague who now resides in Russia for several
years. During the ban and departure of western brands and services,
she told me everything was ok there. Although what we hear and see
on the news is a bit different, they have a somewhat optimistic
approach on adjusting over there. Not everyone agrees on the this
but I was surprise to learn that Russia is prepared, they anticipated
stuff thats going on in regards to the war and it’s continuing aftermath.
Whether we agree with or despise Russia for it’s actions and decisions
towards Ukraine and Europe, it is still undeniable the power and
influence they hold towards the world and economies everywhere.

If the project was implemented, then it could have been beneficial for everyone. Pakistan is thinking that they should not proceed with the project because India will benefit from cheap gas. On the other hand, India thinks that it needs to deprive Pakistan from billions of USD worth of transit fees. And in the end both the countries will suffer from shortage of gas and funds. And Iran becomes the collateral casualty, as they can't export their gas to anyone. Some of the private firms from India were interested, but in the end they decided that the potential risk was too high.

 

"Great Russia", "Russia has a powerful economy" - these are all fakes. However, like her whole history and "achievements". I will explain very briefly - a country that for 30 years, having, in its own words, the largest reserves of minerals, the best education and, in general, everything that can be flattered to be said about the country, allegedly has done NOTHING for its people and your country! But during this time she managed to destroy a huge number of her citizens, moreover, by direct terror and murders, unleash almost 2 dozen military conflicts, including creating at the expense of the territory of Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine, the cesspool of the "Russian world", and become an embittered, degraded territory controlled by kleptomaniac terrorists. Do you seriously think that this is what GREAT and POWER looks like?

Now the Ukrainian army (which is many times smaller and weaker, as a minimum of the declared power of the "second army of the world") is destroying the "second army of the world" armed with "weapons, the analogues of which will not appear in the world for several decades"! Understand - everything they say about themselves is either nonsense, or lies, or all in one word - Russian propaganda
Sanctions have not yet essentially begun to take effect, and GREAT RUSSIA is begging for UAVs from Iran, and shells from North Korea, and its economy is already starting to crumble! The economy is purely resource-based, and 90% dependent on Western technologies! Return to reality, do not watch the propaganda of the pro-Russian media for a couple of days and see how the world will sparkle with the colors of REALITY

Never is too long by historical standards. Practice shows that it is possible to both make friends and quarrel any two countries within 30 years (in a generation and a half).

The original plan (which was suggested two decades ago) was to transfer Iranian gas to India through Pakistan. If this project was implemented, it would have been immensely beneficial for Pakistan, as they will get billions of USD in transit fees in addition to extremely cheap Iranian natural gas. It got stuck after the terrorist incidents in India and as the relations between both the countries got cold. Iranian gas gets wasted (flared) now, as they don't have any pipelines or LNG terminals to export it to other countries.

Hopefully. I don't see any reason for Pakistan to face an energy crisis when their neighbor in the west has the biggest supply of gas and oil in the whole world. All they have to do is to stop letting a foreign country dictate their policies. Although I'm not that familiar with Pakistan politics but it looked like Imran Khan was working towards more independence before he was removed from office in a suspicious way.

I'm hopeful for the future though. A lot of things are changing like the news you shared. So far the Eastern Bloc is working a lot better than before (eg. pre-WW) and based on mutual benefits. Some countries like Turkey that played the middle are screwed but everyone else seems to be finding their sides already.

May be its becasue of this there is interesting development going on between Iran and Pakistan as Iran offered Pakistan to complete much delayed gas pipeline. This gas pipeline can solve Pakistan energy crisis but only due to usa pressure Pakistan is not completing this project. The result is energy crisis and huge prices of electricity.
While on one side EU are asking Russia to resume gas supply and on other hand they creating hurdles worldwide on such project's which can solve other countries energy crisis.
This summer price of electricity is increased further and we pay almost 20 to 30 percent as electricity bill of our earnings. If Pakistan buy cheap electricity and gas from Iran much of our electricity issues can be resolved.

https://dailytimes.com.pk/993365/iran-offers-completion-of-gas-pipeline-project-with-pakistan/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2b_0gfV_4E - clip released by Gazprom. Propaganda or warning ?

And about the "problems of Europe". No matter how the Kremlin propagandists and their corrupt media (including international ones) overstrained and fought in hysterics, the situation looks somewhat different than they try to imagine.
Let's look at the statistics on how much the gas storages of the EU countries are filled, as of September 1, 2022. Data from open sources:
- The average filling level of EU gas storage facilities has reached 80%. This was stated by the head of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen.
- European countries managed to fill their underground storage facilities (UGS) with gas by the end of summer to the target 80% by the upcoming heating season, according to data from Gas Infrastructure Europe (GIE).
Gas reserves in European storage facilities, as of August 29, 2022, rose to 80.17%, which is already 0.6 percentage points higher than the average for this date over the past five years. Now UGS facilities contain about 86.1 billion cubic meters. m of gas. In 2021, the maximum filling of storage facilities was observed on October 21 - just over 83 billion cubic meters. m (77.28%).
Previously, the EU countries pledged to fill UGS facilities by at least 80% by the winter of 2022-2023 and by 90% by all subsequent winter periods. The German government also obliged all operators to bring the level of gas reserves in the country's storage facilities to an even higher level: by October 1 - up to 85%, by November 1 - up to 95%.

I will not even provide links to primary sources - this information is published by all of Europe, and even some media outlets of the country of the world-terrorist

I have a feeling that you will climb out with Russia Today
Really, don’t be offended, since you are voicing absolutely unrealistic data, while apparently you yourself firmly believe in this nonsense of rashists ... And this is already a problem more of a medical than a worldview
Let's do it this way - you call the increase "more and more occupied territories", and I will show you a real map, with changes in the front lines in Ukraine, from July to almost today, and you show on this map those very "new all more and more occupied territories", we will check with reality and give REASONS and ARGUMENTS that can be verified? Goes? Or how ? I'm sure the only argument will be a reference to the totally false Russian state media, well, or your favorite "I heard" argument

Threat Riddle - guess what happened at the front today? Let's see if you are far removed from reality

Gas is a commodity and the more it takes without demand the more it could loses it value if demand keeps reducing. Russia is going to be affected big time which is one of the thing NATO had been waiting for so that Russia will not have the fund to spend on military equipment to keep attacking Ukraine which is part of NATO countries.

If you think Russia will have other options to market it gas supply then I think you are wrong because what direction do you think Russia will face now when it biggest market is in Europe. Russia can not turn to Africa because Africa does not mostly depend on gas and there are many Africa countries that has there own natural gases like countries like South Africa, Nigeria etc that has market too all around the world.