Topic: Russian Gas ban - A problem for Europe or suicide for Russia? - page 39. (Read 14504 times)

Indeed, the gas transportation system of Ukraine is the largest, and until 2014 it provided the pumping and accumulation of gas for European consumers. At the same time, the "largest supplier of gas to the world market" itself does not even have 20% of the capacities that Ukraine has. After the terrorist country blew up its Nord Stream 1 and 2 (in order to avoid paying fines for economic terror against the EU by deliberately cutting off supplies and violating the terms of the contract), it habitually shot itself either in the foot or in the ass Now they they can only supply gas through the Ukrainian GTS, and are forced to pay to Ukraine, or not to sell gas, and zero out their already emaciated budget.
In total, the picture in Russia looks sad - the global failure of oil and gas sales, with falling gas and oil prices, and a sharp "budget weight loss" for the war, they have not spent money on their population for a long time
This is despite the huge amount of money spent on stupid Russian propaganda that squealed from all available pages "Europe will freeze without Russian gas, and the world economy will collapse without Russian oil."

What we are seeing now is a real repetition of the USSR. In this sense, Russia made the USSR-2, which they dreamed about so much, though only in the area of ​​\u200b\u200bthe finale of this miserable formation ...

Regarding the issue of Russia's prohibition of selling its natural gas to European countries, it may have a bad impact on many people in that country.

but Provided supply does not fall below 50 percent of the maximum natural gas demand from the industrial site, BASF can continue to operate Ludwigshafen, which covers approximately 200 production sites and requires 6 terawatt hours of electricity annually, but at reduced capacity. The exact reduction will depend on the availability of gas, as well as substitute oil, BASF told Reuters.

but said if supply fell significantly below 50 percent over a sustained period, then companies would have to shut down production activities. BASF said it would prioritize which factories to shut down first following discussions with customers and politicians, adding that some of its products are critical to the food, pharmaceutical and automakers.

The price of gas in Europe over the past month has decreased by 8 times against the backdrop of low demand and a warm autumn.
Europe has almost 100% filled its underground storage facilities with gas, and because of the warm weather, the demand for "blue fuel" is not increasing yet. Therefore, LNG tankers lined up around European ports, which have nowhere to unload gas. Of course, sooner or later the demand for gas will grow anyway. And then traders who cannot sell fuel now will do it in a few weeks and at a much higher price.

Meanwhile, Ukrainian Energy Minister German Galushchenko suggested that European partners store gas in Ukrainian gas storage facilities, referring to the fact that Ukraine has a system of underground gas storage facilities, which is the most powerful in Europe and the third in the world - with a total volume of more than 30 billion cubic meters. m. About half is used for Ukraine's own needs. Thus, Ukraine is ready to offer free capacities for gas storage to foreign customers - up to 15 billion cubic meters. m.
Based on this, the countries of Europe and Ukraine will be able to get through this winter, although this period will not be easy for them. At the same time, for Russia, the loss of a gas market in Europe would be catastrophic.

Oh, and now you refuse your words, forgetting that here all your words are recorded and available in the history of correspondence?
I'm talking about this YOUR phrase "For MANY DECADES, Western Europe has benefited from the supply of CHEAP OIL, gas and coal from RUSSIA.". Tell me how ugly it turns out when you said something stupid, and thought that no one would notice. Now I have to say that they didn’t say ... But it turns out again stupidity and everyone sees it


By the way, I’ll add more, even an honest person, and not a supporter of Russian propaganda There was really a period of cheaper oil. But it was not "cheap Russian oil" but it was a low MARKET PRICE OF ALL OIL! Study the history - you will learn a lot of interesting things

I said cheap oil, gas and coal. Even before the war, Russian oil was landing at European ports at a rate that was cheaper by around $5, compared to the middle eastern varieties. And I was mainly mentioning about gas. Russian pipeline gas, at any point during the last 4-5 years was at least 50% cheaper than the LNG from Qatar or Nigeria. The EU benefitted from this cheap supply, and used it to make their heavy engineering and automobile industries competitive. Replacing Russian gas with Qatari LNG would have made this target impossible to achieve. 

Dear Sithara007 ! Well, again, you haven’t studied the real data, and you are talking about “decades of cheap oil from Russia? Well, why are you so, every time you read some fakes in the Russian media and believe that this is true!?
Here is a chart of Russian oil, from a Russian source of information. Perhaps my eyesight is bad, but please show on this graph "decades of cheap Russian oil" that was "meanly" used in the West? I think it will be interesting for everyone to know where such a period is on the chart?

PS. I agree with this that for China and India, before the collapse of Russia, it became very profitable to buy oil from this country of an international terrorist, for a penny, forcing it from such a dumping!
This is fraternal help to the "fraternal people of Russia and Putin personally"! 35-37 dollars per barrel to pay Russia at a market price of 70+ dollars, that's a concern! But the main thing is "the West is bad here, which for decades bought oil from unfortunate Russia for a penny"

Countries such as Turkey and Pakistan imports a lot of wheat from Russia as well and therefore the new trade links are not just for oil and gas. For many decades, Western Europe benefitted from the supply of cheap oil, gas and coal from Russia. And then they decided to cut the same branch in which they were sitting on. And that presented a new opportunity to countries such as India and Pakistan, to secure cheap and affordable supplies from Russia. In the long term, warming trade ties with Russia will do a lot of good for these countries. However, there will be some initial hiccups. Establishing the trade routes and wading through the formalities may take some time.

There are some interesting developments going on in the middle-east at the same time. The OPEC giants such as Saudi Arabia and UAE are not benefitting much from the spike in energy prices. LNG prices have gone up by manytimes, but the crude oil prices have roughly remained at the same level. This is benefitting Qatar, and thereby angering Saudi Arabia. The Americans are proving to be very weak negotiators here, as they are getting flak from both the Saudis as well as from the Qataris (who are being backed up by the Turks).

I don't know if it was the US that caused the Nord Stream 1 pipeline explosion, but currently the US is the most profitable country in this respect, Russia and the EU have no interest here. The US is being accused by EU countries of selling LNG at exorbitant prices to them and the EU has no better choice at the moment. The explosion of the Nord Stream pipeline is considered an end to Europe's gas dependence on Russia especially Germany and now they no longer have to make concessions to Russia and will launch the most severe sanctions. It is clear that there is a person pulling the strings behind everything, the person who benefits the most is none other than the American guy. One arrow hits 2 targets.

This parody of the referendum has no legal consequences either for Ukraine or for the civilized world, which has unanimously recognized the inviolability of Ukrainian borders. The Russians drew the numbers of the referendum results as they liked and they were known to the media long before the referendum itself was held. Do you think that at least 10 percent of Ukrainians would have voluntarily voted for joining the Russian Federation after the Russian invaders massively robbed, killed and raped the civilian population, and "liberating" settlements in the Donbas and Lugansk region, destroyed them by 80-90 percent? This imitation of a referendum has nothing to do with the will of the people. The "referendum" was held by "voting" on the street or bypassing the occupiers of citizens' homes, accompanied by armed people, and was accompanied by threats of mobilization or other violent actions if they put their vote in the wrong column. After that, the result of the vote was checked (the forms, by the way, were printed on a regular photocopier, and of course, they did not provide for any reporting or tear-off coupons) and if a person voted the wrong way, his data was immediately entered into a separate journal. And this is only a small part of those violations that were.
Let's see how people will react to their release from such "liberators". The world already sees this in the example of the liberation of more than 1,700 square kilometers of Ukrainian land over the past month, including territories that were formally connected to the Russian Federation.

What do the fake elections held by the terrorist country look like in the temporarily occupied territory of the Luhansk region of Ukraine.
Please note: the "representative of the election commission" raises the sheets (probably hoping that no one removes the sheets themselves), and says "FOR", about ALL the sheets, including those on which there is not even any mark on voting. On the table is a pack of already "recounted votes FOR", as you can see - without voting marks.
Russian world - lie, lie and lie again! Lie always and everywhere! Lie for no reason, without need, out of habit

Enjoy watching the "most honest referendum", translated explanations into 3 languages. I recommend everyone to watch how Russia stupidly falsifies:

https://youtu.be/aR7Uaw4Gq5I

PS I recommend studying international law:
Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson - cities temporarily under occupation.

Zaporizhia - here you generally LIE! Or do you have other "honest information"? I inform you - no "referenda" were held in the city, because. this is a normal Ukrainian city, which is only often fired upon by Russian terrorist troops.
Do not be a primitive liar like the Russians, you are an educated smart person from a normal country!

PS The liberation from the brown plague of Lugansk and Kherson regions has begun

PS  I am sure you support the idea that Tibet, Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh are primordially Chinese territories, where a referendum was also held and there about 99.6% said - we are Chinese territory! Or is it a "stupid case" ?!

There is no doubt regarding the beneficiaries. If the transport of Russian pipeline gas is disrupted, it will directly benefit the United States. It is not just the direct competition for the market, but the increase in prices due to lack of supply will also benefit the American LNG exporters. And any financial penalty on Russia for not keeping contract obligation would be much lower than the cost resulting from the damage to the pipelines (approx. $25 billion). And if infact Russia was responsible, then all the European countries would have given the proof by now.

What the hell are you talking about again? Empty, unsubstantiated false accusations. The direct beneficiaries of the terrorist attack on Nord Stream are the United States and Ukraine. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence for the involvement of the United States in this terrorist attack. For example, here is a US Air Force helicopter Sikorsky MH-60R Strike Hawk for nine hours - from 19:30 Moscow time on Sunday, September 25, to 04:30 Moscow time on Monday, September 26 - circled over the Baltic Sea about 250 kilometers from the Danish island Bornholm, near which gas leaks were recorded.

To be honest, I did not understand at all what you wanted to prove with this answer?
I say, the author of the terrorist attack on the gas pipeline is RUSSIA. She's the only one interested in it. You give the example of the representative of Poland, and say - the Polish MEP admitted that Russia was behind the attack!
Well, yes, it is, you also confirmed it Understand - for Russia, as a terrorist with experience, this is the norm. In 2000, they generally blew up entire multi-storey buildings on their territory, with their citizens, in order to pass it off as "chechen attacks" and justify the destruction of the independent republic of Ichkeria ....

I explain - Poland has already solved its problem. Like most EU countries. Germany, France, Italy, Hungary actually had problems.
Germany has begun construction of two LNG terminals that will cover Germany's demand. The rest will also diversify gas supplies from Russia.
For information - India has greatly reduced the purchase of gas from Russia, China - buys for a penny. Norway and the USA (each separately) already supply MORE gas than Russia. In summary: Europe is reducing the consumption of Russian gas, and after Russia staged a terrorist attack on its pipelines, it will speed up this process.
Question - tell us what Russia will do with the surplus gas? In the absence of storage and a flexible gas transmission system?

Well, the Russian terrorist attack against Nord Stream completely stops the flow of gas through these pipelines, which were planned to be used to blackmail the EU, after the gas supply through the Ukrainian GTS is cut off. Well, the classic of Russia - shooting yourself in the foot, in this case - through the ass

OK. What about this?

https://twitter.com/radeksikorski/status/1574800653724966915

Polish MEP admitted that Russia is behind the attack. The two pipelines cost Russia around $25 billion back then and even more now. Why they should destroy such costly investment? And preliminary investigation suggests that bombs were placed on top of the pipelines by deep sea divers and then these bombs were detonated resulting in massive gas leaks. If Russia want to destroy the pipeline, they can simply use a "pig" (miniature robot) and place the bombs inside the pipeline (not outside).

The meaning of the attacks on Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 is to enable Russia not to pay penalties for non-fulfillment of contracts, referring to force majeure. The only interested party is the terrorist country Russia!
Or can you give a logical and reasoned explanation of the interest of Ukraine, the EU, the USA in this?

I consider this many times with others. Most people think Russian energy sources are too rich and European Union is totally dependent on it. But I don't think so. European economy is big, far bigger than Russian economy. Yes they need cheap energy to keep their industry alive but they have, democratic country, USA behind them. Hate it or not - EU is gonna be dependent to Usa from now on and it is not exactly bad thing. Putin's Russia was never reliable ally, it was only partner. I believe USA is far more reliable. There is great military connection called NATO as well.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the article you shared in Russian says the pipeline is going to be able to transfer 10 billion cubic meters per year when it is finished, meanwhile google tells me that Russia has been exporting ~240 billion cubic meters of gas annually.
I don't think 4% could be referred to as "end of the era of Russian dominance in the gas sector".

One head was chopped off a two-headed mutant chicken

"The Baltic Pipe gas pipeline between Poland and Denmark has been opened. Poland announced the end of the era of Russian dominance in the gas sector
Norwegian Oil and Energy Minister Terje Osland said that this is an important step towards Europe's independence from Russian energy. Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen, in turn, said that countries should do everything possible so that the Russian authorities could not use energy as a tool, adding that together they would be able to "defeat Vladimir Putin."
https://theins.ru/news/255488

At this time, Putin blows up Nord Stream 1 and 2, so as not to impose penalties for non-fulfillment of contracts, well, to try to write off everything as "force majeure"