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Quote from: Balthazar on March 16, 2015, 06:20:30 AM

Personally I think that the Politics subsection should be removed. We've lived without this subsection and there were no issues about that. There is no reason to think that we won't be able to do so again.

Maybe I'm wrong here but currently this subsection seems nothing but catalyst of the mutual hatred.

You are wrong. Politcs section should never be removed. There is a disaster in the section because of having no mod. I also want to remind that you create majority (I would even call it "a shitload") of useless posts there.

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Personally I think that the Politics subsection should be removed. We've lived without this subsection and there were no issues about that. There is no reason to think that we won't be able to do so again.

Maybe I'm wrong here but currently this subsection seems nothing but catalyst of the mutual hatred.

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Quote from: Mr.Anonymous on March 16, 2015, 05:56:19 AM

2Xandy: mainly, only 'politics' section must be moderated, other subsections is fine (ofc, can be a bit better).

I just wanted to say that most users do not care about what is happening in the "Politics". Just if you are going to discuss these things and spend a vote, then you need to do this so that most users are aware of this and have taken part. Currently it "just for fun".

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Quote from: Mr.Anonymous on March 16, 2015, 05:56:19 AM

2Xandy: mainly, only 'politics' section must be moderated, other subsections is fine (ofc, can be a bit better).

Look https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=961364.918799;all and tell me you want to change your mind.

Quote from: Mr.Anonymous on March 16, 2015, 05:56:19 AM

2Muhammed Zakir: take a look https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--794025 :
Peoples don't think (53.4%) that our section need in a mod.

Please read again:

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on March 16, 2015, 05:43:32 AM

theymos has said earlier "no poll". It is easy to manipulate. BTW, who got the most vouches for becoming a mod from users who posted there?

Even I could have manipulated it by voting 'no' just for some satoshis.

Quote from: Mr.Anonymous on March 16, 2015, 05:56:19 AM

So, I think that my offering ('split'+'move' technique) is best solution. I'm sure that Satoshi will support my point in decentralized moderation.

In Meta, value is not for who raise the voice but for what he raise. However, I think Satoshi is an exception for this. Wink

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2Xandy: mainly, only 'politics' section must be moderated, other subsections is fine (ofc, can be a bit better).

2Muhammed Zakir: take a look https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--794025 :
Peoples don't think (53.4%) that our section need in a mod.

So, I think that my offering ('split'+'move' technique) is best solution. I'm sure that Satoshi will support my point in decentralized moderation.

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Quote from: Mr.Anonymous on March 16, 2015, 05:21:59 AM

Here is voting: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--990069 We initiate a new voting because some of current candidates is inadequate.
Here is discussion too: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--989882

And take a loot at voting: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=794025.160 Results: 32 thinks that Russian section is fine and no need in moderator vs 30. 52.4 % vs 47.6 %

Yes, please, continue. Everyone really matter what happens in the subsection "Politics", where your application as many trolls. Even a few people in these topics indicated that it is a farce and the vote does not matter, because it does not recognize by admins.

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Quote from: Mr.Anonymous on March 16, 2015, 05:21:59 AM

Here is voting: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--990069 We initiate a new voting because some of current candidates is inadequate.
Here is discussion too: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--989882

And take a loot at voting: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=794025.160 Results: 32 thinks that Russian section is fine and no need in moderator vs 30.

theymos has said earlier "no poll". It is easy to manipulate. BTW, who got the most vouches for becoming a mod from users who posted there?

Quote from: Balthazar on March 16, 2015, 05:31:50 AM

In fact it's different of course. But you won't be able to prove that you're making reports to benefit everyone rather than trying to achieve own purposes. That's why this happening.

You* can't do anything without achieving 'yourself'*.

* In general.

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Quote from: SaltySpitoon on March 16, 2015, 05:11:20 AM

Interesting. I didn't know that. Is reporting spam, to benefit everyone in the board not different than reporting tax activity or other things that screw a person over thoughr?

In fact it's different of course. But you won't be able to prove that you're making reports to benefit everyone rather than trying to achieve own goals. That's why this happening.

Quote from: SaltySpitoon on March 16, 2015, 05:11:20 AM

Anyway, based on report history, I'd say Xandry is indeed a good candidate, however I don't know how active they are in the Russian section, nor if they want the job, etc.

Unfortunately, I have many examples of how good reporter became an absolutely authoritarian moderator and committed multiple abuses of power. Last one was becool at the btc-e.com and that was my fault. I've checked a lot of his reports and recommended him as moderator... I'll never do such mistake again. I regretted it many times and supported the cancellation of his appointment a bit later. Roll Eyes

Quote from: SaltySpitoon on March 16, 2015, 05:11:20 AM

Balthazar has banned more more than a few times from the BTC-E chat, but you said you didn't want the position anyway, so a semi vouch is there if you want it.

Yep, I'm a mod at btc-e since 2012.

It's unfortunately but I can't guarantee that I'll have enough time for full moderation because I'm already moderator of three resources. That's why I won't participate in these polls but I wouldn't mind to bring some order in the technical subsections in case if theymos will make such decision. Technical subsections only, without this "politics" trash can.

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Quote from: Balthazar on March 16, 2015, 03:50:33 AM

There is a word "stukach" (i.e. "collaborator" or "informer")

No! Just a snitch! Wink

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Quote from: xandry on March 16, 2015, 05:04:49 AM

Quote from: Mr.Anonymous on March 16, 2015, 03:20:01 AM

I see that You goal is to take mod rights, but You are not public people in our society (guessing for Your weak position).

I do not pursue such a goal, so again I ask: why do you think so? You've never answered a similar question.

I know good how special forces (agents) work in Internet. Same scenario to obtain mod rights. Do You hear about moderation stories in public forums and trackers and FSB-agents?

Quote from: xandry on March 16, 2015, 05:04:49 AM

Quote from: Mr.Anonymous on March 16, 2015, 03:20:01 AM

In last weeks we again talk about moderation of Russian section but where are You ?

You're kidding right? Please read this thread and and think twice, who of us was not active.

Here is voting: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--990069 We initiate a new voting because some of current candidates is inadequate.
Here is discussion too: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--989882

And take a loot at voting: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=794025.160 Results: 32 thinks that Russian section is fine and no need in moderator vs 30. 52.4 % vs 47.6 %

Quote from: xandry on March 16, 2015, 05:04:49 AM

Quote from: Mr.Anonymous on March 16, 2015, 03:20:01 AM

And You are not interesting to support my offering to handle spam without picking full rights moderator.

And again... Why do you think so? I said it was not interesting to me? I have to respond to your every utterance? If I did not say anything, then it means nothing. You build some imagination, and then I find myself in this blame.

Decentralization is better than centralization and yep, I don't see that You support my idea that bring that decentralization solution to cleanup spam. Yep, my guesswork based on my analysis and logic. But I have no other information to make complete analyzing.

And I see in threads that candidates must be "Hero Member" rank at least .

So, we initiate a new round. Now we are collecting candidates.

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Quote from: Balthazar on March 16, 2015, 03:50:33 AM

That's not a good idea to mention this kind of activity in the positive context. In fact, it's an easiest way to ruin your reputation and even more, it's a main reason of hatred towards the "western" style of life. Because here in Russia such kind of activity as making the tax evasion report or hidden profits report is not considered normal.

There is a word "stukach" (i.e. "collaborator" or "informer") which is used for name calling of nazi collaborators and any other people who wrote the denunciations. You know, a lot of people still remember how their parents were tried and executed due to anonymous denunciations. And now you can see that some people in russian section are using this word to describe xandry and other candidates, just due to mention of their activity on making the reports.

Interesting. I didn't know that. Is reporting spam, to benefit everyone in the board not different than reporting tax activity or other things that screw a person over thoughr?

Anyway, based on report history, I'd say Xandry is indeed a good candidate, however I don't know how active they are in the Russian section, nor if they want the job, etc.
Balthazar has banned more more than a few times from the BTC-E chat, but you said you didn't want the position anyway, so a semi vouch is there if you want it.

*edit* all of that said, you know the Russian board can to an extent shape how their local moderator moderates. Moderators are allowed to use their own judgement and discretion and can act on what the community wants, and leave what they don't want touched. With some exceptions of course, but essentially you could have a moderator that just moderates spam, and major issues and leaves whatever it is that the community there doesn't want touched.

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Quote from: Balthazar on March 16, 2015, 03:50:33 AM

Quote from: BadBear on March 15, 2015, 11:57:31 PM

So much hostility in here.

Nope, it's nothing but trivial logic.

May I know "how"?

Quote from: Balthazar on March 16, 2015, 03:50:33 AM

Quote from: BadBear on March 15, 2015, 11:57:31 PM

Personally I'm leaning towards xandry, though ultimately I'll leave it to theymos. There is a lot of ref spam, and he's been reporting it for a long time, regularly.

That's not a good idea to mention this kind of activity in the positive context. In fact, it's an easiest way to ruin your reputation and even more, it's a main reason of hatred towards the "western" style of life. Because here in Russia such kind of activity as making the tax evasion report or hidden profits report is not considered normal.

Here, it is! Xandry is atleast willing to invest time for reporting unlike many others(maybe none) in your board. You want a "no-mod-board" but is not gonna happen.

Quote from: Balthazar on March 16, 2015, 03:50:33 AM

There is a word "stukach" (i.e. "collaborator" or "informer") which is used for name calling of nazi collaborators and any other people who wrote the denunciations. You know, a lot of people still remember how their parents were tried and executed due to anonymous denunciations. And now you can see that some people in russian section are using this word to describe xandry and other candidates, just due to mention of their activity on making the reports.

Hmm... If insulting for being a mod doesn't hurt xandry, he is still best atm.

Edit: Meaning of stukach:

Quote from: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=stukach

An informer. One who turns in one's friends, family, and neighbours to the secret police, usually for a reward or advantage. It is considered one of the foulest insults in the Russian language.

Like I said, you want a 'no-mod-board' to spam.

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Quote from: Mr.Anonymous on March 16, 2015, 03:20:01 AM

I see that You goal is to take mod rights, but You are not public people in our society (guessing for Your weak position).

I do not pursue such a goal, so again I ask: why do you think so? You've never answered a similar question.

Quote from: Mr.Anonymous on March 16, 2015, 03:20:01 AM

In last weeks we again talk about moderation of Russian section but where are You ?

You're kidding right? Please read this thread and and think twice, who of us was not active.

Quote from: Mr.Anonymous on March 16, 2015, 03:20:01 AM

And You are not interesting to support my offering to handle spam without picking full rights moderator.

And again... Why do you think so? I said it was not interesting to me? I have to respond to your every utterance? If I did not say anything, then it means nothing. You build some imagination, and then I find myself in this blame.

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Quote from: Hazir on March 16, 2015, 04:04:14 AM

But I want to tell you something about Russians BadBear. I deal with them since I was a little boy and can tell you that hate and hostility are nothing special among them.

Psycopaths are very useful in the critical situations, they're a part of protection mechanism which is necessary for our survival.

So, some small and relatively constant percent of completely idiotic and psychopath people is a normal thing for any population of Homo Sapiens, and russians aren't special here. It's a shame that you have dealt with idiots, shit happens.

Quote from: Hazir on March 16, 2015, 04:04:14 AM

They think if you are a mod here you will be automatically earning a lot of money, you will be a master and commander.

I'm sorry but it's a complete BS without even a slightest matching with the reality and I would rather believe that sky has a brown color. Well, it seems that I have no option but ask you some obvious questions... Are you writing from the pocket universe? Is it true that you're able to use the entangled particles for data transmission? o_O

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Quote from: BadBear on March 15, 2015, 11:57:31 PM

So much hostility in here.

-snip-

It may seems like off topic here. But I want to tell you something about Russians BadBear. I deal with them since I was a little boy and can tell you that hate and hostility are nothing special among them. They will argue and won't be able to choose a good leader. They think if you are a mod here you will be automatically earning a lot of money, you will be a master and commander. That is the reason they fight so much. Most of them do not care about this forum, or spam, or helping people to understand bitcoin better. They just want to rule. Pick wisely BadBear, because moderator in russian subforum will be hated by everyone there...

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Quote from: BadBear on March 15, 2015, 11:57:31 PM

So much hostility in here.

Nope, it's nothing but trivial logic.

Quote from: BadBear on March 15, 2015, 11:57:31 PM

Personally I'm leaning towards xandry, though ultimately I'll leave it to theymos. There is a lot of ref spam, and he's been reporting it for a long time, regularly.

That's not a good idea to mention this kind of activity in the positive context. In fact, it's an easiest way to ruin your reputation and even more, it's a main reason of hatred towards the "western" style of life. Because here in Russia such kind of activity as making the tax evasion report or hidden profits report is not considered normal.

There is a word "stukach" (i.e. "collaborator" or "informer") which is used for name calling of nazi collaborators and any other people who wrote the denunciations. You know, a lot of people still remember how their parents were tried and executed due to anonymous denunciations. And now you can see that some people in russian section are using this word to describe xandry and other candidates, just due to mention of their activity on making the reports.

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Quote from: xandry on March 16, 2015, 01:46:37 AM

That's why i talking about somoderators for some subsections.

Bureaucratism? - No, thanks. Some of users can effectively operate fully in Russian subsection.

Quote from: xandry on March 16, 2015, 01:46:37 AM

And why you think that i'm "silently working to get mod rights"? Because I use to destination button "report to moderator" or because has created a theme here that the section is not moderated?

I see that You goal is to take mod rights, but You are not public people in our society (guessing for Your weak position). And You are not interesting to support my offering to handle spam without picking full rights moderator. I'm offering (I'm sure, best) `split+move` technique because I know what users position about current state of Russian section (generally "is not bad, but can be better"; but 'politics' board is different for trolls and politic activists). many of processes in our society is very powerful and You can not operate that. I truly want to save our society that is why I waste my time in this thread.

Active users in Russian section don't know You. In last years we sometime raise question about moderation but LZ return back and make his job. In last weeks we again talk about moderation of Russian section but where are You ? You are not interest in processes of our society, so we are not interesting in You, sorry.

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Quote from: Mr.Anonymous on March 16, 2015, 01:02:13 AM

Troll and politic propagandists active in politics "subsection" but You even don't know about that.
Other subsections like coders, traders, news and others mostly is find. I see user messages about forum state some want to create new child boars 'Faucets', but no more. Therefor I think that some threads should be moved, some detached..that's all. Biggest problems with spam in 'politics' section, but ofc You don't about that, so You don't know who is a propagandist, who is a troll and so on...

And main problem - Russian society don't know who You are. You are not public and it is very bad tactic to silently working to get mod rights. Mod must be picked from public user, our active society.

That's why i talking about somoderators for some subsections. And why you think that i'm "silently working to get mod rights"? Because I use to destination button "report to moderator" or because has created a theme here that the section is not moderated?

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Quote from: xandry on March 15, 2015, 11:13:36 PM

I read its minimum once a day. But i'm not interested in the subsections like "politics", "traders" or coders. And I do not hide this. As the most part of new information appears in English-speaking part of a forum, I don't think that is to that to be surprised.

Troll and politic propagandists active in politics "subsection" but You even don't know about that.
Other subsections like coders, traders, news and others mostly is find. I see user messages about forum state some want to create new child boars 'Faucets', but no more. Therefor I think that some threads should be moved, some detached..that's all. Biggest problems with spam in 'politics' section, but ofc You don't about that, so You don't know who is a propagandist, who is a troll and so on...

And main problem - Russian society don't know who You are. You are not public and it is very bad tactic to silently working to get mod rights. Mod must be picked from public user, our active society.

PS: Centralization right for newbie is very bad idea. Very.
Satoshi begin global decentralization and I believe that we must support that idea.
So, again I recommend to implement new way using delegation `split+move`( + Spam child board with auto-clean in 30 days) right for all old users with good reputation. I think that decentralization mod right will be new options in the forums in nearest future.

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