Sanction against Russia for West-choreographed conflict in Ukraine - page 9.

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Quote from: Rassah on September 14, 2014, 09:00:00 PM

Quote from: niothor on September 14, 2014, 08:49:16 AM

Pure curiosity , is there somebody that can post the prices for fresh (not refrigerated) salmon in their countries ?
I'm sure Nemo can give some hint to Norway or Russia prices but the rest?

Picking some at the market yesterday I have a feeling we pay the most.
I paid around 15 euros per kilo at Auchan yesterday.

Fresh as in swimming in an aquarium at the store? Or fresh as in refrigerated, but never frozen?

Nor frozen, only refrigerated.
I've never seen really fresh salmon (living) in markets around here.

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Russian Federation 1993

Hyper-presidential constitution has been "adopted" at 12 December 1993 by Yeltsin. This set of legislative backdoors was written with the "help" from his "advisers".

P.S. Re-posting accidentally removed message.

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Quote from: samaricanin on September 15, 2014, 08:24:10 AM

Serbia 1999 former SRJ

Oh god... how could I miss that? The United States Air Force bombing the orphanages and old-age homes in Serbia, to bring the joys of capitalism and press freedom to the people of Serbia. I have edited my post.

Also, I need to add the 1992-1995 US intervention in Bosnia, where they bombed the Serbian villages. (Operation Sharp Guard in 1992-93, Operation Deny Flight in 1994, and Operation Deliberate Force in 1995).

Also the Bosnian intervention reminds me of these heroics by Hillary Clinton:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I23fjRN-PGc

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Russian Federation 1993

Hyper-presidential constitution has been "adopted" at 12 December 1993 by Yeltsin. This set of legislative backdoors was written with the "help" from his "advisers".

Added.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 15, 2014, 08:06:41 AM

Quote from: Technologov on September 15, 2014, 07:59:57 AM

That's fine.
Sanctions are good.
The world should condemn Russian for it's invasion vs. Ukraine.
Perhaps kick out Russia from the U.N and from SWIFT and from the Open-Source community.
Stop all business with Russian companies at all levels.

Putler must be jailed.
Russian fascists (Rascists) must be killed / driven out from Ukraine !
Long live Freedom ! Long live Ukraine !

OK... now what should we do with the United States, which has invaded the following nations ever since the World War 2?

1949 Greece
1952 Cuba
1953 Iran
1953 British Guyana
1954 Guatemala
1955 South Vietnam
1957 Haiti
1958 Laos
1960 South Korea
1960 Laos
1960 Ecuador.
1963 Dominican Republic
1963 South Vietnam
1963 Honduras
1963 Guatemala
1963 Ecuador.
1964 Brazil
1964 Bolivia
1965 Zaire.
1966 Ghana
1967 Greece
1970 Cambodia
1970 Bolivia
1972 El Salvador
1973 Chile
1979 South Korea (Pro-USA government wanted)
1980 Liberia
1982 Chad
1983 Grenada
1987 Fiji
1989 Panama
2001 Afghanistan
2002 Venezuela
2003 Iraq
2004 Haiti
2009 Honduras
2011 Libya
2011 Tunisia
2013 Egypt
2014 Ukraine

Don't tell me that people in every nook and corner of the world want the United States to invade their country, to spread the love of capitalism and democracy (as someone replied to me here).

Serbia 1999 former SRJ

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I don't think U.S. should invade other countries and stay there. Also in Ukraine there was no invasion, just a few agents/ stooges/spies.
However Russia tries to steal "Freedom of speech" from Ukrainian people, which won't fly.

Freedom of speech is top priority. Then goes email/web/Bitcoin Freedom.
Russia aims to steal ALL freedom.

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Quote from: Technologov on September 15, 2014, 07:59:57 AM

That's fine.
Sanctions are good.
The world should condemn Russian for it's invasion vs. Ukraine.
Perhaps kick out Russia from the U.N and from SWIFT and from the Open-Source community.
Stop all business with Russian companies at all levels.

Putler must be jailed.
Russian fascists (Rascists) must be killed / driven out from Ukraine !
Long live Freedom ! Long live Ukraine !

OK... now what should we do with the United States, which has invaded the following nations ever since the World War 2?

1949 Greece
1952 Cuba
1953 Iran
1953 British Guyana
1954 Guatemala
1955 South Vietnam
1957 Haiti
1958 Laos
1960 South Korea
1960 Laos
1960 Ecuador.
1963 Dominican Republic
1963 South Vietnam
1963 Honduras
1963 Guatemala
1963 Ecuador.
1964 Brazil
1964 Bolivia
1965 Zaire.
1966 Ghana
1967 Greece
1970 Cambodia
1970 Bolivia
1972 El Salvador
1973 Chile
1979 South Korea (Pro-USA government wanted)
1980 Liberia
1982 Chad
1983 Grenada
1987 Fiji
1989 Panama
1992-95 Bosnia
1993 Russia
1999 Serbia
2001 Afghanistan
2002 Venezuela
2003 Iraq
2004 Haiti
2009 Honduras
2011 Libya
2011 Tunisia
2013 Egypt
2014 Ukraine

Don't tell me that people in every nook and corner of the world want the United States to invade their country, to spread the love of capitalism and democracy (as someone replied to me here).

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That's fine.
Sanctions are good.
The world should condemn Russian for it's invasion vs. Ukraine.
Perhaps kick out Russia from the U.N and from SWIFT and from the Open-Source community.
Stop all business with Russian companies at all levels.

Putler must be jailed.
Russian fascists (Rascists) must be killed / driven out from Ukraine !
Long live Freedom ! Long live Ukraine !

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lol... shareholders of Western oil companies can forget about their dividends for the next 2-3 years. Billions of USD in investment now in jeopardy.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/09/13/3567216/new-sanctions-loophole-exxonmobil-russia-arctic/
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/956062-new-russia-sanctions-hit-western-oil-giants/

Share prices of companies such as Exxon Mobil has been declining for many days now. Grin

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Quote from: niothor on September 14, 2014, 08:49:16 AM

Pure curiosity , is there somebody that can post the prices for fresh (not refrigerated) salmon in their countries ?
I'm sure Nemo can give some hint to Norway or Russia prices but the rest?

Picking some at the market yesterday I have a feeling we pay the most.
I paid around 15 euros per kilo at Auchan yesterday.

Fresh as in swimming in an aquarium at the store? Or fresh as in refrigerated, but never frozen?

niothor

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Pure curiosity , is there somebody that can post the prices for fresh (not refrigerated) salmon in their countries ?
I'm sure Nemo can give some hint to Norway or Russia prices but the rest?

Picking some at the market yesterday I have a feeling we pay the most.
I paid around 15 euros per kilo at Auchan yesterday.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 13, 2014, 10:57:45 AM

Quote from: niothor on September 13, 2014, 10:33:11 AM

Also , they forget about the 200 years they payed tribute to the golden horde;). Or the destruction left by Crimean Tatars, the Swedish conquest and polish occupation.

Have you forget about the Ottoman rule in Romania? Romania was under Muslim rule for many centuries and many of the ethnic Romanians were taken away to Turkey as Janissaries and other type of slaves. Even the USA was under British rule before they got independence. So what is the point in mentioning about the golden horde, which was completely destroyed by the Russians in 1480?

Whataboutism at the max

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

And have you forgot about the 5000 years the Looney Tunes demanded tribute from your country ?

The point is that the Russian propaganda machine only tells about the times when they where victorious , not about their defeats.

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Quote from: niothor on September 13, 2014, 10:33:11 AM

Also , they forget about the 200 years they payed tribute to the golden horde;). Or the destruction left by Crimean Tatars, the Swedish conquest and polish occupation.

Have you forget about the Ottoman rule in Romania? Romania was under Muslim rule for many centuries and many of the ethnic Romanians were taken away to Turkey as Janissaries and other type of slaves. Even the USA was under British rule before they got independence. So what is the point in mentioning about the golden horde, which was completely destroyed by the Russians in 1480?

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Quote from: Rassah on September 12, 2014, 07:15:07 PM

Quote from: Nemo1024 on September 12, 2014, 06:20:44 AM

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"We will slowly starve out Russia, encircle it and defeat it, come winter!"
- Napoleon Bonaparte, 1812
- Adolf Hitler, 1942
- EU, 2014

Difference this time is that nobody actually has to go into it. It just got put in the corner and told it can't play with the rest of the kids in the world.

The difference is that in 1812 Russia was allied with Prussia ,Austria and England
In 1942 was fighting Germany with the help of England and USA.

Now its allies are North Korea and Belarus. Wink

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Also , they forget about the 200 years they payed tribute to the golden horde;). Or the destruction left by Crimean Tatars, the Swedish conquest and polish occupation.

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on September 12, 2014, 06:20:44 AM

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"We will slowly starve out Russia, encircle it and defeat it, come winter!"
- Napoleon Bonaparte, 1812
- Adolf Hitler, 1942
- EU, 2014

Difference this time is that nobody actually has to go into it. It just got put in the corner and told it can't play with the rest of the kids in the world.

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And in Russia people went: "Oh, look, more sanctions. That's because the US-backed Kiev broke the ceasefire, so US clearly needed to punish itself, and drag EU down in the process." Grin

EU publishes Russia sanctions list: Energy, finance, defense targeted
http://rt.com/business/187184-eu-new-sanctions-published/

Meanwhile Rogozin has accused the West of starting the Second Cold War.
http://rusvesna.su/news/1410510564

And a parliamentarian of the German Bundestag accuses the German government and MSM in being provocative and illogical in relation to Russia:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1410510436

He said the German Parliament continues in its attempts to get answers from the Federal Government with regard to 3 questions: 1) Who shot at the protesters on Maidan; 29 Who burnt people alive in Odessa; 3) Who shot down MH-17.

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"We will slowly starve out Russia, encircle it and defeat it, come winter!"
- Napoleon Bonaparte, 1812
- Adolf Hitler, 1942
- EU, 2014

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A closer look at the new sanctions tell me that the US / EU is primarily targeting the Russian gas flow to the EU / Asia. For example, the no.1 on the latest sanctions list is the natural gas producer Novatek, which was planning to set up a LNG plant. This LNG plant would have produced cheap gas suitable for transport to South Korea and Japan, thereby threatening the Qatari monopoly there.

BTW... it was comical to find the name of Ramzan Kadyrov in the EU sanctions list. Grin

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 11, 2014, 11:46:21 AM

Quote from: Rassah on September 10, 2014, 12:29:51 PM

So... if EU airliners ignore the airspace restrictions, Russia will do... what exactly? Shoot down civilian planes?

If a civilian airline does not get the permission to enter Russian airspace, then they will not risk the lives of civilians by forcibly entering it. Even if they are pressured by the European or American authorities I doubt they will take that risk. In case the flight is shot down, then the airline will be primarily responsible for the incident.

That's not quite right. A standard procedure includes three requests to change the course, and request about the current situation. In case of emergency situation, for example, nothing will happen to plane. Otherwise this plane could be intercepted and then detained for a proper investigation.

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Quote from: Rassah on September 10, 2014, 12:29:51 PM

So... if EU airliners ignore the airspace restrictions, Russia will do... what exactly? Shoot down civilian planes?

If a civilian airline does not get the permission to enter Russian airspace, then they will not risk the lives of civilians by forcibly entering it. Even if they are pressured by the European or American authorities I doubt they will take that risk. In case the flight is shot down, then the airline will be primarily responsible for the incident.

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Quote from: Balthazar on September 10, 2014, 01:00:50 PM

Quote from: Rassah on September 10, 2014, 12:29:51 PM

So... if EU airliners ignore the airspace restrictions, Russia will do... what exactly? Shoot down civilian planes?

They will act according to the standard protocol defined by Chicago Convention (1944).

*Readreadreads* Ah, so the MH17 approach. OK (since when does Russia keep agreements and treaties?)

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