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legendary
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With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?

Of course they can survive, they will just be in a much poorer position than when they began this useless war. Not only has Putin proved that his army is utterly incompetent and badly managed throughout, he has crippled the Russian economy for many decades to come. Even if the sanctions were slowly removed, his unpredictable nature and rash economic decisions have shown that it is a terrible place for foreign investment. There is money to be made, but there are a lot safer places that can generate equally high returns. The average Russian will become a lot poorer, not only in money but freedom of speech and travel opportunities, while the richest Russians are also going to face a backlash of unprecedented proportions for the poorly thought out attack by their leader.
We would really be seeing these effects anytime soon as this war would be over and you re right that this would be leaving out that bad impression that this country is really bad to make out some business and also in

other aspects which it would really be making more looks bad just because on what they've done recently.This would badly hurt their economy, they are already feeling it now gradually because of sanctions
but the real story begins when this war is over. Would he regret on what he had done?
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Russia is a rich country and rich of resources, for sure they can survive despite with so many economic sanctions put into them. With the preemptive attacked on Ukraine, I bet they already have a counter measures to that sanctions by many countries before it happened. They have still allies to help them though like China for example.
Not really a rich country but it was rank 70th among the other countries around the world but it can be true that they are rich on some resources such as oil and some of metal parts that has been used to create computer chips but they are still going to struggle if they can't sell all these products to most countries except only on one to two country or so-called allied countries. Your right one of it was china but I think the second is India?

As India has been on the headlines lately for buying discounted oil in Russia but we don't know if there are other more countries that Russia has a special connection with in spite of the sanctions.
legendary
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With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?

Of course they can survive, they will just be in a much poorer position than when they began this useless war. Not only has Putin proved that his army is utterly incompetent and badly managed throughout, he has crippled the Russian economy for many decades to come. Even if the sanctions were slowly removed, his unpredictable nature and rash economic decisions have shown that it is a terrible place for foreign investment. There is money to be made, but there are a lot safer places that can generate equally high returns. The average Russian will become a lot poorer, not only in money but freedom of speech and travel opportunities, while the richest Russians are also going to face a backlash of unprecedented proportions for the poorly thought out attack by their leader.
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I'm sure the economic sanctions will not have a big impact on Russia, even now Russia doesn't have a big trade relationship with the USA and Europe, but Russia has good cooperation with countries with close borders such as China, Uzbekistan, Iran, and so on.
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It may take a long while. The US and the West won’t stop making Russia experiencing the “worst of the worst” in their economy. Although that each of us are having our opinion regarding the timeline of Russia’s economic recovery, it’s not going to guarantee that the timeline would be accurate. Anything could happen without warning.

The West won’t stop and may impose additional sanctions in the future that would severely impact Russia’s economy even more. That’s what I was thinking. Although now they are accepting BTC as mode of payment for buying Russian oil to “friendly” countries, it’s not enough to make their economy recover soon because the West are going to do whatever it takes to prevent Russia from recovering fast.
The US and allies are trying every possible way to bring down the Russian economy to force Putin to stop this attack. But you are forgetting one thing that Russia is the top oil producer in the world and Europe's oil supply depends heavily on them. Europe has imposed all the bans and sanctions on Russia, but these countries must continue to buy oil and gas from Russia, shows that sanctions are not really effective. Bitcoin and crypto are only one of the ways to avoid sanctions, it is not the deciding factor for Russia's survival. Crude oil, gas and close ties with China are factors that keep them from collapsing.
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With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?
The economy may fall but will probably survive. After all, Russia is not exclusively trading with Western countries. Also, it is not as if Russia is starting this war without considering the possible worst economic scenario this would bring to the country. They must have already foreseen the sanctions early on. They must have already taken into account the potential consequences of their decision. Pushing through with this invasion simply means they could absorb such sanctions and face those consequences.
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The greatest wealth of a country is its people. People should live well and calmly, and for this there is a government and everything else. Sanctions today are directed against the people of the whole world. Every person in any country will feel worse every day because there are big games between countries. The world economy will suffer from these sanctions and there will be no return to the old system.
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Russia is a rich country and rich of resources, for sure they can survive despite with so many economic sanctions put into them. With the preemptive attacked on Ukraine, I bet they already have a counter measures to that sanctions by many countries before it happened. They have still allies to help them though like China for example.
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It may take a long while. The US and the West won’t stop making Russia experiencing the “worst of the worst” in their economy. Although that each of us are having our opinion regarding the timeline of Russia’s economic recovery, it’s not going to guarantee that the timeline would be accurate. Anything could happen without warning.

The West won’t stop and may impose additional sanctions in the future that would severely impact Russia’s economy even more. That’s what I was thinking. Although now they are accepting BTC as mode of payment for buying Russian oil to “friendly” countries, it’s not enough to make their economy recover soon because the West are going to do whatever it takes to prevent Russia from recovering fast.
I agree that west will try their best (worst?) to make sure that Russia never recovers from this, or have a very hard time trying to recover from it. At the end of the day, if Russia lives through the hell because of it, then it would take them a bit harder to ever try something like this again. Putin is already 70 years old, and this is probably either his last war, or he will just kill us all to keep it going.

It means that we should not be shocked if he ends up attacking with even nuclear weapons one day, but that seems like an unlikely part for the time being, just because he couldn't get Ukraine, he wouldn't fire nuclear weapons as far as I can see.
but we also need to know, even though the US and the west insist on sanctions against Russia, on the other hand Russia is also friendly with China, which we know in almost all countries it is easy to get products from China and Russia is a supplier of oil to European countries. indeed recovering from adversity after the war takes time, but I think putin has calculated beforehand from various points of view, and finally the war path was taken
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It may take a long while. The US and the West won’t stop making Russia experiencing the “worst of the worst” in their economy. Although that each of us are having our opinion regarding the timeline of Russia’s economic recovery, it’s not going to guarantee that the timeline would be accurate. Anything could happen without warning.

The West won’t stop and may impose additional sanctions in the future that would severely impact Russia’s economy even more. That’s what I was thinking. Although now they are accepting BTC as mode of payment for buying Russian oil to “friendly” countries, it’s not enough to make their economy recover soon because the West are going to do whatever it takes to prevent Russia from recovering fast.
I agree that west will try their best (worst?) to make sure that Russia never recovers from this, or have a very hard time trying to recover from it. At the end of the day, if Russia lives through the hell because of it, then it would take them a bit harder to ever try something like this again. Putin is already 70 years old, and this is probably either his last war, or he will just kill us all to keep it going.

It means that we should not be shocked if he ends up attacking with even nuclear weapons one day, but that seems like an unlikely part for the time being, just because he couldn't get Ukraine, he wouldn't fire nuclear weapons as far as I can see.
We dont know on whats up into his mind but the risks is there since we dont know on what would be his plans if this war would really be continuing or trying out to resist which might really trigger

out those kind of possibilities which would come to wost.Yes, it wont only affect a particular place but whole world if we do speak about nuclear.Sanctions could be imposed but doesnt mean that it would really be over for them but much sure it would hurt up into their economy and speaking with survival then we dont know on what would happen next if they would able to sustain or not.
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It may take a long while. The US and the West won’t stop making Russia experiencing the “worst of the worst” in their economy. Although that each of us are having our opinion regarding the timeline of Russia’s economic recovery, it’s not going to guarantee that the timeline would be accurate. Anything could happen without warning.

The West won’t stop and may impose additional sanctions in the future that would severely impact Russia’s economy even more. That’s what I was thinking. Although now they are accepting BTC as mode of payment for buying Russian oil to “friendly” countries, it’s not enough to make their economy recover soon because the West are going to do whatever it takes to prevent Russia from recovering fast.
I agree that west will try their best (worst?) to make sure that Russia never recovers from this, or have a very hard time trying to recover from it. At the end of the day, if Russia lives through the hell because of it, then it would take them a bit harder to ever try something like this again. Putin is already 70 years old, and this is probably either his last war, or he will just kill us all to keep it going.

It means that we should not be shocked if he ends up attacking with even nuclear weapons one day, but that seems like an unlikely part for the time being, just because he couldn't get Ukraine, he wouldn't fire nuclear weapons as far as I can see.
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Do you really believe in all that stories of dumb Russian soldiers, that went to fuel station when they ran out of fuel ? I dont believe that tanks run on regular fuel, or use regular car diesel. Or the story when a granny shot down Russian war drone with a jar of cucumbers? I would not believe in anything mass media show or tell.
The final thing is that the world hates Russia right now, not like we loved them before but not really hate them with fire like right now, and the difference right now is that if Ukraine could defend itself and could kill as many as they have to (not more, hopefully as minimum required as possible) and then win the war, then the whole world would be happy. Sure there are some that defend Russia as well but not a lot, most people defend Ukraine in this war.

This means that when the fake news happens that supports Ukraine, or shows how great they are, then people will believe that a lot easily, because they want to be happy and they want to see it going well.
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Just imagine two people - the first has firewood, matches, a garden, wheat, and the second has only wine. If winter comes, which of these two people will survive? I think the one that has warmth and food. Russia has everything to keep people warm and well fed. Why do you think that this country may not withstand sanctions from other states? Or do you think that if McDonald's closes, then the country is doomed to extinction? Even if this country creates a wall for itself from the rest of the world, not a single person will die from it.

In my opinion, in the modern world, the main thing is not resources, but managerial competencies. 

Russia has catastrophically incompetent managers.  The country completely lacks decentralized mechanisms for making managerial decisions.  The so-called "vertical of power" is not capable of receiving feedback and making adequate managerial decisions.  There is a feeling that everything is heading for disaster. 

Of all the possible scenarios for the development of the situation, the most catastrophic ones are selected. 

Unfortunately, this affects not only Russia, but the whole world.
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The strict economy of the USA and Europe is certainly taken into account well by Russia, now almost all places in Ukrainan have been controlled by Russia and they immediately receive sanctions from USA and Europe, but I am sure that Russia has learned a lot about sanctions because of the Russian country Productive and certainly have strong relationships with China who always support Russia.
That's right and before sanctions were imposed on Russia by European countries and the United States, Russia must have thought about it,
before that happens they have thought of the worst case scenario so that then Russia is ready to accept sanctions,
yes Russia is a productive country and so far they have not stopped this war
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With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?
I honestly rolled my eyes when they announced sanctions. But now I am educated on this. Even if Russia takes the Ukraine. Russia doesnt even have a penny to spend to keep their own country together.
Well, we cannot forget that Russia has a lot of gold and has a great ally that is China, which despite the fact that the USA launched a threat against them, the Chinese were able to come out very well diplomatically, but in part I know that the CHINESE are espring for Russia to further define what is happening, because I think one of the plans they have is that if Russia succeeds, China on the other hand will invade Taiwan, and this will trigger a lot more irreverence, but despite all the sanctions Russia does have a way to get ahead.
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It may take a long while. The US and the West won’t stop making Russia experiencing the “worst of the worst” in their economy. Although that each of us are having our opinion regarding the timeline of Russia’s economic recovery, it’s not going to guarantee that the timeline would be accurate. Anything could happen without warning.

The West won’t stop and may impose additional sanctions in the future that would severely impact Russia’s economy even more. That’s what I was thinking. Although now they are accepting BTC as mode of payment for buying Russian oil to “friendly” countries, it’s not enough to make their economy recover soon because the West are going to do whatever it takes to prevent Russia from recovering fast.
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The strict economy of the USA and Europe is certainly taken into account well by Russia, now almost all places in Ukrainan have been controlled by Russia and they immediately receive sanctions from USA and Europe, but I am sure that Russia has learned a lot about sanctions because of the Russian country Productive and certainly have strong relationships with China who always support Russia.
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The war could pass in a short period of time, if they wanted to raze Ukraine to the ground. Today I saw on the news portal, that about 1000 civilians died in this war (however real numbers are greater). That is what covid-19 kills in just one day. Russians could have dropped bigger bombs and finish their mission in one week.

Btw, why nobody wants to send donation to Russians, who suffer from sanctions right now? This is not their fault the Putler gave command to start this war. Russian population is greater then Ukrainian. More people will suffer from sanctions, then Ukrainians will suffer from attacks. Seems fair to start helping Russian people.
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The economy is getting closer to Russia, but I'm sure this has been carefully taken into account, but because Russia has a strong allies like China, I'm sure the sanctions will not have too much impact, besides that Russia has oil reserves and the gas needed by the European state so that it has the power to Avoid strict economic sanctions such as other countries.
I don't think that they've expected the war to be this long. Russia has thought that this war would just pass by and happen for a short period of time but it wasn't expected.

The war took too long for them and now they suffer.

You say that this won't have that much impact to them? I don't think so, they're struggling right now economically and even with their allies like China. It will help them to at least get up but it won't be taking the biggest portion of their recovery.
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It was funny, but not a serious blunder like sending a group of tanks into a muddy field just to lose all of them. I've seen pictures of 4 or 5 tanks stuck in the same place in the mud. These are billions of dollars in equipment lost to stupidity.

Tanks stuck in mud ? This is really lack of tactical education...

Do you really believe in all that stories of dumb Russian soldiers, that went to fuel station when they ran out of fuel ? I dont believe that tanks run on regular fuel, or use regular car diesel. Or the story when a granny shot down Russian war drone with a jar of cucumbers? I would not believe in anything mass media show or tell.

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Casualties are from both sides. Both sides have their own truth. Both sides have idiots. Both sides should stop military actions.

Yes' I do believe that story about the police station. They went to the police to ask for fuel! I have no idea why they'd do that but maybe thought police had their backup stash in case of emergency.
Wanna know why I believe in that story? It's because I saw idiots who run out of fuel for their armored transports in the middle of a road and were standing and discussing the problem like it was just another day at work, not a war. A fairly intelligent tank driver would see the machine is on reserve and start looking for a secure position to dig in and call for supply. He'd save up at least 10% of fuel in case they had to run away or take a fight. A moving target in the cover of some trees or bushes is much harder to hit than when it's sitting in the middle of an empty street. These idiots were driving until they couldn't drive anymore and instead of taking cover just stood next to the tank waiting for someone to fire at them.

Jar of cucumbers is not very convincing. Not all stories are true.
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