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legendary
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The Concierge of Crypto
November 08, 2014, 10:26:17 AM
Actually, SD is doing 1.9%. (I forget where I got the 1.98%, maybe it was the actual math or something.) (And I found it, back then losing bets got 0.005x or something.)

Do losing bets still get something back? There would be no reason for the off-chain version to give back on lost bets, because the players can already see that they lost. I believe the whole point of returning 0.005x was so that players knew they lost, because it was on-chain.

The only other dice sites that exist right now, which are worthy of mentioning are Prime, and PRC. The last two big ones were Dicebitcoin and Dice Ninja, both of which are effectively gone. While others exist, there does not seem to be enough volume on them. Coinroll has changed owners, and I don't see much action there, so it's pretty much dead.

So, if Prime increases to 1.9%, PRC might follow, just because Dean seems to be that kind of person, but I don't really know. There is that dicesites.com which lists a whole bunch of them and we can probably ignore the non-bitcoin versions.

The other sites will either increase to just below 1.9% or stay at 1% hoping to get more players.

Whales, will still play on the top 3 sites (SD, Prime, PRC).
sr. member
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'Slow and steady wins the race'
November 08, 2014, 09:36:26 AM
SD, stay at 1.98%, so my 1.56% doesn't look bad. hehe.

We've considered raising the primedice edge for a long time, 1% is extremely risky and often unsustainable without a solid bankroll or low max bet. It would be interesting to figure out the elasticity of the house edge on dice in terms of how much volume/profit a site would lose or gain by shifting the edge. When primedice had a 0.9% edge I don't think it made any difference on volume, however the way we integrated it via jackpot made it still seem like a 1% game with an easily forgettable added incentive.

In my opinion it makes more sense to set a 1.9-2% edge rather than a 1.5% one. People who care about the edge would probably stick to 1% so you'd entirely lose that audience while profiting more off of the audience you did obtain which clearly don't care about the odds as much. That's my opinion at least, if more dice sites shut down/run off with funds we'd probably consider raising edge but no plans to right now. When PD was about to launch we had decided on a 1.5-1.6% edge if I recall correctly, satoshidice had plans to release a new off-chain site around then (may '13) and coinroll had kept a 1% edge due to that reason and we ended up matching it to stay competitive. I wonder what sort of edge bitcoin casinos would have if things didn't progress that way though, if primedice was sitting at a 1.5-2% edge would just-dice and all investment sites have followed suit?
PD has been around for a long time, and for the most part have proven to be honest (very few "hiccups" - when hiccups do occur members are fairly compensated, no scammy policies, however "you never know") so I think that some people would gamble on PD with a higher edge verses another site with a lower edge that has not "proven" itself
legendary
Activity: 3416
Merit: 1912
The Concierge of Crypto
November 07, 2014, 10:07:04 PM
Yeah, .. I think most players don't really care as long as it's not 10% or 50%. Thus, I am starting with 1.5625%, and only because that number is derived from 1/64 = 0.015625

The most popular land based casino games (in Macau anyway) averages 2% ~ 3%. And the others are all higher. Baccarat is low. Sic Bo is middle. ... I think Black Jack is the lowest on the best player possible.

1% will only work while online bitcoin gaming is not regulated. When you factor in costs and expenses and license fees and taxes and all that, you'll end up just like the land based casinos or you simply shut down.
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
November 07, 2014, 11:42:03 AM
We've considered raising the primedice edge for a long time, 1% is extremely risky and often unsustainable without a solid bankroll or low max bet. It would be interesting to figure out the elasticity of the house edge on dice in terms of how much volume/profit a site would lose or gain by shifting the edge.

I'm curious to know that too. I suspect that most gamblers don't really care too much about the edge. All the bars in Canada have state-run gambling terminals where you can play Keno, lotto, some kind of fake poker, etc. Some games have a house edge as high as 50% and yet people still play them constantly.

From http://lotto.bclc.com/keno-and-keno-bonus/prizes-and-odds.html :



That top row though: you have a 1 in 4 chance of doubling your money.

House edge percentages for those 4 games:

Code:
>>> (1 - 2/4) * 100 # pick 1 number
50.0%
>>> (1 - 10/17) * 100 # pick 2 numbers
41.17%
>>> (1 - 20/73 - 2/8) * 100 # pick 3 numbers
47.60%
>>> (1 - 50/327 - 5/24 - 1/5) * 100 # pick 4 numbers
43.87%

Of course, that's different because the state has a monopoly on gambling. If you don't like the 40%-50% house edge they offer, there's no legal alternative other than not playing at all.

When primedice had a 0.9% edge I don't think it made any difference on volume, however the way we integrated it via jackpot made it still seem like a 1% game with an easily forgettable added incentive.

I thought the same. Giving 0.1% back in the form of a jackpot for rolling a specific number is easily forgotten, by virtue of the fact that it happens so rarely. It would have been much more visible if you just dropped the house edge to 0.9% instead. That also would have resulted in less variance for the house I think, than paying out the occasional big jackpot.

When PD was about to launch we had decided on a 1.5-1.6% edge if I recall correctly, satoshidice had plans to release a new off-chain site around then (may '13)

Did PD really launch that late? JD launched in June 2013 and I thought PD had already been around for a while then.

and coinroll had kept a 1% edge due to that reason and we ended up matching it to stay competitive. I wonder what sort of edge bitcoin casinos would have if things didn't progress that way though, if primedice was sitting at a 1.5-2% edge would just-dice and all investment sites have followed suit?

I saw the biggest two offchain sites at the time (coinroll and primedice) both having a 1% house edge. I didn't see any possibility other than to match it. I didn't want to get into a price war with either site by undercutting them, but also didn't think that charging a higher edge would work. If you guys had set the bar at 1.5% then I'm sure I would have followed suit.

My original concept for JD was that the investors would set their own house edge, like traders set their own price for BTC/USD on the exchanges. The ones offering the lowest house edge would be the ones who got the action, in the same way that the traders offering their BTC for sale at the lowest price on BitStamp are the ones who get matched first.

I didn't figure out a good way to present such a market to the players. It's probably too confusing to have the house edge bounce up and down as investors compete with each other for a bigger share of the betting action, so I didn't end up doing it. That would have been an interesting experiment, to see where the free-market would decide the house edge should be.
legendary
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Primedice.com, Stake.com
November 07, 2014, 05:18:21 AM
SD, stay at 1.98%, so my 1.56% doesn't look bad. hehe.

We've considered raising the primedice edge for a long time, 1% is extremely risky and often unsustainable without a solid bankroll or low max bet. It would be interesting to figure out the elasticity of the house edge on dice in terms of how much volume/profit a site would lose or gain by shifting the edge. When primedice had a 0.9% edge I don't think it made any difference on volume, however the way we integrated it via jackpot made it still seem like a 1% game with an easily forgettable added incentive.

In my opinion it makes more sense to set a 1.9-2% edge rather than a 1.5% one. People who care about the edge would probably stick to 1% so you'd entirely lose that audience while profiting more off of the audience you did obtain which clearly don't care about the odds as much. That's my opinion at least, if more dice sites shut down/run off with funds we'd probably consider raising edge but no plans to right now. When PD was about to launch we had decided on a 1.5-1.6% edge if I recall correctly, satoshidice had plans to release a new off-chain site around then (may '13) and coinroll had kept a 1% edge due to that reason and we ended up matching it to stay competitive. I wonder what sort of edge bitcoin casinos would have if things didn't progress that way though, if primedice was sitting at a 1.5-2% edge would just-dice and all investment sites have followed suit?
legendary
Activity: 3416
Merit: 1912
The Concierge of Crypto
November 06, 2014, 10:35:10 PM
SD, stay at 1.98%, so my 1.56% doesn't look bad. hehe.
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
November 06, 2014, 07:28:23 PM
I don't know if it's new or not, but I recently discovered:
  https://satoshidice.com/stats/

It includes the following, showing the slow decline in the number of bets as off-chain games started eating SD's lunch:



It will be interesting to see whether the launch of a new off-chain game will bring an increase in betting volume. SD seems to be keeping its 1.9% house edge even though all the competition has a 1% edge.
hero member
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November 06, 2014, 10:52:59 AM
so basically it means no more of this kind of analysis?

That's right.

Any bot for the new script ?

What do you mean?

Means bot for betting on new brand , new design .
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
November 06, 2014, 05:48:32 AM
so basically it means no more of this kind of analysis?

That's right.

Any bot for the new script ?

What do you mean?
hero member
Activity: 546
Merit: 500
November 06, 2014, 04:57:52 AM
Any bot for the new script ?
member
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Merit: 10
January 02, 2014, 03:54:48 PM
Hi douglas,

so basically it means no more of this kind of analysis?
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
November 28, 2013, 10:40:18 PM
Any updates coming?

The last I heard, SatoshiDice had followed Just-Dice.com's lead (just kidding, PrimeDice.com and CoinRoll.it!) and taken their betting off-chain.

So it's no longer possible to see how well they're doing.
full member
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November 28, 2013, 05:00:39 PM
Any updates coming?
sr. member
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Merit: 250
This bull will try to shake you off. Hold tight!
August 29, 2013, 08:36:01 AM
Thanks Dooglus

Very interesting. SD has been unlucky but turnover was good this month of August with 143k btc (up until 28th), up from 110k btc last month. At a current value of $118 per btc (bitstamp) expected profit for this month is $344k, up considerably compared to last month where it was only $209k (using $98 as btc value). But still not beating the top months that were $460k (January 2013) and $430k (May 2013). Interesting to see no collapse is happening and a chance for actual growth is again opening up.

Comparing this to JD. For the month of August JD turnover was 205k (up until 27th), expected profit $240k. Last month of July turnover was a staggering 685k btc and expected profit $671k. This means a drop of -72% month to month. Expected profit at Satoshi Dice also collapsed after it's all time high month in January but only by 50% (from $460k to $220k).  

It remains to be seen whether JD will succeed where SD failed: after setting a great month, continuing to grow in expected USD profit over time.


(Am I doing this analyses correct? Does expected profit even matter? If gamblers gamble until they lose, than expected profit will go up or down depending on luck, but actual profit will just be the same. Maybe it is better to forget about expected profit and just look at actual profit?)
legendary
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Merit: 1333
August 28, 2013, 11:07:47 PM
It's been a long time, but here's an update:

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Mon Aug 26 04:07:48 2013 <32768 254264 c5287c8796918284:0  1KM1CBcjPrrfApqXVx8tVFfT2EFNiUAXTs BET   131.46000000 WIN    125.80722000
Mon Aug 26 19:25:29 2013 <32768 254365 dca35c6179e90d64:0  1KM1CBcjPrrfApqXVx8tVFfT2EFNiUAXTs BET   100.00000000 LOSE   -99.50000000
Mon Aug 26 19:45:49 2013 <32768 254371 e4178ca8cd09eaa6:0  1KM1CBcjPrrfApqXVx8tVFfT2EFNiUAXTs BET   200.00000000 LOSE  -199.00000000
Mon Aug 26 21:23:31 2013 <32768 254383 5764a065ef947874:0  1KM1CBcjPrrfApqXVx8tVFfT2EFNiUAXTs BET   200.00000000 WIN    191.40000000
Tue Aug 27 00:27:47 2013 <32768 254402 15fb7eb64cf0c52d:0  1KM1CBcjPrrfApqXVx8tVFfT2EFNiUAXTs BET   200.00000000 WIN    191.40000000
Tue Aug 27 03:34:07 2013 <32768 254420 92e57d665e66e980:0  1KM1CBcjPrrfApqXVx8tVFfT2EFNiUAXTs BET   100.00000000 LOSE   -99.50000000
Tue Aug 27 03:34:07 2013 <2000  254420 a34963f8c38adfb6:2  18JLSmkMaY1L95dShVBr83wzrrXRy2ZpGX BET    19.00000000 WIN    588.74479200
Tue Aug 27 03:47:20 2013 <12000 254422 5477496ff9ced2a4:1  18JLSmkMaY1L95dShVBr83wzrrXRy2ZpGX BET    24.00000000 WIN    104.04627200
Tue Aug 27 03:55:20 2013 <32768 254423 bd8356b5b0053bc4:0  1KM1CBcjPrrfApqXVx8tVFfT2EFNiUAXTs BET   150.00000000 LOSE  -149.25000000
Tue Aug 27 04:11:47 2013 <32768 254427 1dee67cc775af395:0  1KM1CBcjPrrfApqXVx8tVFfT2EFNiUAXTs BET   150.00000000 LOSE  -149.25000000
Tue Aug 27 04:11:47 2013 <32768 254427 1685b540ed2ba6c1:0  1KM1CBcjPrrfApqXVx8tVFfT2EFNiUAXTs BET   134.20000000 WIN    128.42940000
Tue Aug 27 04:29:43 2013 <32768 254429 7b813fe8e9913329:0  1KM1CBcjPrrfApqXVx8tVFfT2EFNiUAXTs BET   150.00000000 LOSE  -149.25000000
Tue Aug 27 04:29:43 2013 <32768 254429 b005130bc9924105:0  1KM1CBcjPrrfApqXVx8tVFfT2EFNiUAXTs BET   113.38000000 LOSE  -112.81310000
Tue Aug 27 11:21:10 2013 <8000  254472 65c96449e752f11d:2  1B8qNNwdZph3gU3MgoTdUi2fMVjJpfgma6 BET    18.00000000 WIN    126.00705600
Tue Aug 27 12:49:25 2013 <2000  254484 d53b35e5bb29b2a3:3  1B8qNNwdZph3gU3MgoTdUi2fMVjJpfgma6 BET     7.00000000 WIN    216.90597600
Tue Aug 27 13:26:52 2013 <2000  254487 d57b3a82bd5de8fb:2  1B8qNNwdZph3gU3MgoTdUi2fMVjJpfgma6 BET     7.00000000 WIN    216.90597600
Tue Aug 27 15:22:50 2013 <12000 254508 0190ff926db4f76b:5  1CdFGoAtwvFESFXzJCRvEaTwGd3JoErUKq BET    25.00000000 WIN    108.38153333
Tue Aug 27 18:12:38 2013 <16000 254528 41e1a61324169071:0  19EvJoQyBadCNaFcJhDVXyELdHwrn1s9sX BET    35.00000000 WIN    105.09436000
Tue Aug 27 18:12:38 2013 <12000 254528 41e1a61324169071:1  19EvJoQyBadCNaFcJhDVXyELdHwrn1s9sX BET    28.00000000 WIN    121.38731733
Tue Aug 27 18:26:35 2013 <12000 254531 d5ded3ce5f6736bc:1  19EvJoQyBadCNaFcJhDVXyELdHwrn1s9sX BET    35.00000000 WIN    151.73414666
Tue Aug 27 19:50:27 2013 <2000  254540 e9361f4ad2aff529:3  19EvJoQyBadCNaFcJhDVXyELdHwrn1s9sX BET    14.00000000 WIN    433.81195200
Tue Aug 27 20:03:02 2013 <16000 254541 88de34f22677b6b4:0  19EvJoQyBadCNaFcJhDVXyELdHwrn1s9sX BET    36.00000000 WIN    108.09705600
Tue Aug 27 23:13:00 2013 <2000  254561 2d8e32e620e68c48:2  19EvJoQyBadCNaFcJhDVXyELdHwrn1s9sX BET     7.00000000 WIN    216.90597600
Tue Aug 27 23:13:00 2013 <2000  254561 75bf44b676457439:2  19EvJoQyBadCNaFcJhDVXyELdHwrn1s9sX BET     7.00000000 WIN    216.90597600
Wed Aug 28 02:16:19 2013 <32768 254582 020036aa8563a5fa:0  1BNxYy3gXFzBdrPjA44WTHFrmodMwkkxY8 BET   100.00000000 WIN     95.70000000
Wed Aug 28 03:07:17 2013 <32768 254587 3dafc8d5a6f30d78:0  1BNxYy3gXFzBdrPjA44WTHFrmodMwkkxY8 BET   100.00000000 LOSE   -99.50000000
Wed Aug 28 03:33:52 2013 <32768 254590 011c05f11d06941d:0  1BNxYy3gXFzBdrPjA44WTHFrmodMwkkxY8 BET   150.00000000 LOSE  -149.25000000
Wed Aug 28 03:51:25 2013 <8000  254593 4032072ca3f3d6f3:1  19EvJoQyBadCNaFcJhDVXyELdHwrn1s9sX BET    19.00000000 WIN    133.00744800
Wed Aug 28 03:51:25 2013 <12000 254593 4032072ca3f3d6f3:0  19EvJoQyBadCNaFcJhDVXyELdHwrn1s9sX BET    25.00000000 WIN    108.38153333
Wed Aug 28 23:24:10 2013 <32768 254739 b9324d6714afc0fe:0  1BNxYy3gXFzBdrPjA44WTHFrmodMwkkxY8 BET   150.00000000 LOSE  -149.25000000

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Total of 61 bets unaccounted for.

Results: 2013-Aug-28 08:55pm (up to block 254767)

   Address  Target   Should Win |    #Bets |        Win        |   Lose  | Refunds |   BTC In   |  BTC Out   |  Refund  |   Profit  |   RTP 
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1dice9wVt   64000      0.97656 |    26759 |   24287 (0.97872) |     528 |    1944 |   26877.83 |   26435.75 |   241.66 |    442.08 |  98.355
1diceDCd2   60000      0.91553 |   211403 |  192463 (0.91504) |   17869 |    1071 |  100947.44 |   99384.01 |   160.89 |   1563.42 |  98.451
1dicegEAr   56000      0.85449 |   119718 |  101820 (0.85666) |   17037 |     861 |   95064.58 |   94136.81 |   401.58 |    927.77 |  99.024
1dicec9k7   52000      0.79346 |   125244 |   98791 (0.79390) |   25647 |     806 |   76950.09 |   75126.59 |  1188.56 |   1823.49 |  97.630
1dice9wcM   48000      0.73242 |   531026 |  389207 (0.73448) |  140698 |    1121 |  342705.02 |  334502.86 |  6173.83 |   8202.15 |  97.607
1dice97EC   32768      0.50000 |   966531 |  481682 (0.49945) |  482735 |    2114 |  819386.84 |  796690.25 | 10154.08 |  22696.58 |  97.230
1dice8EMZ   32000      0.48828 |  1510979 |  736555 (0.48819) |  772189 |    2235 | 1003035.83 |  982551.67 |  3178.20 |  20484.15 |  97.958
1dice7W2A   24000      0.36621 |   359205 |  131636 (0.36728) |  226772 |     797 |  607542.88 |  598739.06 |  1038.11 |   8803.82 |  98.551
1dice7fUk   16000      0.24414 |   389714 |   94897 (0.24409) |  293887 |     930 |  454136.14 |  438766.20 |  2750.87 |  15369.93 |  96.616
1dice7EYz   12000      0.18311 |   166471 |   30366 (0.18325) |  135343 |     762 |  225227.81 |  226292.29 |  3759.67 |  -1064.47 | 100.473
1dice6YgE    8000      0.12207 |   299610 |   36598 (0.12248) |  262206 |     806 |  183146.12 |  184288.84 |  1021.49 |  -1142.72 | 100.624
1dice6wBx    6000      0.09155 |    74312 |    6714 (0.09111) |   66977 |     621 |   26072.06 |   26798.57 |    21.90 |   -726.51 | 102.787
1dice6GV5    4000      0.06104 |    51578 |    3178 (0.06215) |   47960 |     440 |    8375.78 |    8332.44 |    31.53 |     43.33 |  99.483
1dice6gJg    3000      0.04578 |    35819 |    1642 (0.04654) |   33637 |     540 |   11685.08 |   12367.28 |    53.54 |   -682.19 | 105.838
1dice6DPt    2000      0.03052 |   138697 |    4221 (0.03056) |  133917 |     559 |  104893.98 |  106440.77 |   483.80 |  -1546.78 | 101.475
1dice61SN    1500      0.02289 |    30434 |     691 (0.02304) |   29305 |     438 |    8239.30 |    8777.36 |    15.40 |   -538.05 | 106.530
1dice5wwE    1000      0.01526 |   210294 |    3189 (0.01522) |  206330 |     775 |   60239.65 |   55400.45 |    43.38 |   4839.19 |  91.967
1dice4J1m     512      0.00781 |    44460 |     340 (0.00780) |   43270 |     850 |    8682.84 |    7013.18 |    10.51 |   1669.66 |  80.771
1dice3jkp     256      0.00391 |    30248 |     125 (0.00420) |   29646 |     477 |    6221.84 |    8855.64 |    18.41 |  -2633.79 | 142.331
1dice37Ee     128      0.00195 |    27494 |      50 (0.00186) |   26882 |     562 |    2617.74 |    1788.98 |    57.59 |    828.75 |  68.341
1dice2zdo      64      0.00098 |    37172 |      36 (0.00098) |   36545 |     591 |    2438.51 |    1751.66 |   117.26 |    686.85 |  71.833
1dice2xkj      32      0.00049 |    44354 |      18 (0.00041) |   43851 |     485 |    2006.44 |    1932.62 |     1.69 |     73.81 |  96.321
1dice2WmR      16      0.00024 |    33333 |       7 (0.00021) |   32813 |     513 |    1080.49 |     731.57 |    22.28 |    348.92 |  67.707
1dice2vQo       8      0.00012 |    34027 |       5 (0.00015) |   33449 |     573 |     759.83 |     434.66 |    18.85 |    325.16 |  57.205
1dice2pxm       4      0.00006 |    16425 |       2 (0.00013) |   15854 |     569 |     247.80 |     320.57 |    19.47 |    -72.77 | 129.366
1dice1Qf4       2      0.00003 |    14623 |       0 (0.00000) |   13991 |     632 |     208.17 |       0.63 |    32.62 |    207.53 |   0.305
1dice1e6p       1      0.00002 |   182689 |       4 (0.00002) |  179354 |    3331 |    2408.32 |    4486.65 |   210.63 |  -2078.33 | 186.298
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           small (bets < 4 BTC) |  5560614 | 2275760           | 3259924 |   24930 | 1024479.11 | 1004540.68 |   426.47 |  19938.43 |  98.054
            big (bets >= 4 BTC) |   152005 |   62764           |   88768 |     473 | 3156719.42 | 3097806.81 | 30801.47 |  58912.61 |  98.134
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                                |  5712619 | 2338524           | 3348692 |   25403 | 4181198.54 | 4102347.49 | 31227.94 |  78851.04 |  98.114
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SD Profit before fees:      78851.04656352 BTC (1.886%)
Cumulative Fees Paid:        5010.70417500 BTC
SD Profit after fees:       73840.34238852 BTC (1.766%)
Pending Liabilities:          -72.16174887 BTC
Final SD Profit:            73912.50413739 BTC (1.768%)
Profit This Month:            301.05059056 BTC
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Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been:
Blockchain Tx: 20031367  :  SatoshiDice Tx: 10472466  (52.3%)
Blockchain MB:   8820.7  :  SatoshiDice MB:   4332.5  (49.1%)



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BCJ
August 16, 2013, 05:36:11 AM
This is Bitcoin. I don't believe anything until I see 6 confirmations.
hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
August 15, 2013, 11:40:04 PM
Why on Earth would Eric want to buy back the shares he issued? Especially at the insanely increased prices he bought them back at.

And why does he need them off his back? He didn't owe them anything, he was producing them respectable dividends, he just chose not to pay as much attention as one would expect.
hero member
Activity: 488
Merit: 500
August 09, 2013, 06:15:28 AM
Anonymous buyer my ass!  Eric paid off the shareholders, threw them a bone to keep them off his back and kept the rest of the profits.  Moving to Panama would not protect him from prosecution and he's smart enough to know that.

If/when this anonymous buyer emerges or SD return in another form I'd gladly apologize.

Thanks, exactly what I am thinking since the sell announcement.
BCB
vip
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1002
BCJ
August 08, 2013, 12:53:48 PM
Anonymous buyer my ass!  Eric paid off the shareholders, threw them a bone to keep them off his back and kept the rest of the profits.  Moving to Panama would not protect him from prosecution and he's smart enough to know that.

If/when this anonymous buyer emerges or SD return in another form I'd gladly apologize.

Unfortunately since the beginning of bitcoin time Bitcoiner have proven to be an awfully gullible bunch.

 
hero member
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0xFB0D8D1534241423
August 08, 2013, 12:47:32 PM
A bit weird that  the moment SD is sold the profits start plummeting Tongue Poor new owners.

*tinfoil hat theory on previous management using secrets they know (as it wasn't changed) to cheat*
*other tinfoil hat theory that shareowner betting to prop up prices has ceased*
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