Satoshi Roundtable Retreat - 70 top Techies & CEOs - What should be covered? - page 7.

BruceFenton

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Quote from: Carlton Banks on February 25, 2016, 01:40:12 PM

Humans can choose to either use it or not. Period. You and your friends have got zero influence, and you're not going to gain influence by making the "right" friends, so there is no "better" list, Bruce.

Actual Bitcoin innovators don't really want to talk to you, Bruce (Matt and Luke turned up as a sop, be honest). So say goodbye, as is befitting when you're not welcome. You and your thinly disguised gangster friends are non-entities and nobodies.

You seem very negative. I really don't even know what you are proposing. No meetings of any kind? No conferences? Only top 10 devs are allowed to show up, no one else?

Didn't say people did want to talk to me. Clearly they want to attend the event, because they are.

Gangsters? So you consider several tops devs, almost all the top CEOs and leading voices on both sides of blocksize to be "gangsters, non-entities and nobodies"? Um. Okay. Disagree with that and likely 99% of users and people doing things in this industry would as well.

If you don't think that miners, and developers, and CEOs who represent the majority of users and early adopters and holders have no influence then I disagree and we are probably so far away from each other in thinking that it's not worth talking.

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Quote from: BruceFenton on February 25, 2016, 12:44:29 PM

Quote from: Carlton Banks on February 24, 2016, 09:55:26 PM

No Bruce, what's happening is that Pieter and Wladimir are writing the code, and there's nothing that you and that illegitimate list of stakeholders can do about it. Your "Roundtable" has zero authority in Bitcoin. The fact that the outcome of the meeting is identical to the direction that the Core team is taking is entirely incidental.

Do you understand this concept, Bruce, whereby you and your friends have no influence over this situation?
Get used to it.
Satoshi has slapped that sort of nonsense back into the 20th century, where it belongs. And that's where your "Roundtable" euphemism will end: looking like it came straight out of last century

So you are saying no humans have any influence or matter? That's not what the white paper says.
Or is it just these specific people? If so, can you suggest a better list or who is missing?

As for writing code, that's great and the contributions are huge and important of course. In addition to code and a technical issue we have a human one and it makes sense to bring people together to discuss. Would you prefer there is no meeting?

Humans can choose to either use it or not. Period. You and your friends have got zero influence, and you're not going to gain influence by making the "right" friends, so there is no "better" list, Bruce.

Actual Bitcoin innovators don't really want to talk to you, Bruce (Matt and Luke turned up as a sop, be honest). So say goodbye, as is befitting when you're not welcome. You and your thinly disguised gangster friends are non-entities and nobodies.

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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"

Quote from: BruceFenton on February 25, 2016, 12:44:29 PM

Quote from: Carlton Banks on February 24, 2016, 09:55:26 PM

No Bruce, what's happening is that Pieter and Wladimir are writing the code, and there's nothing that you and that illegitimate list of stakeholders can do about it. Your "Roundtable" has zero authority in Bitcoin. The fact that the outcome of the meeting is identical to the direction that the Core team is taking is entirely incidental.

Do you understand this concept, Bruce, whereby you and your friends have no influence over this situation?
Get used to it.
Satoshi has slapped that sort of nonsense back into the 20th century, where it belongs. And that's where your "Roundtable" euphemism will end: looking like it came straight out of last century

So you are saying no humans have any influence or matter? That's not what the white paper says.
Or is it just these specific people? If so, can you suggest a better list or who is missing?

As for writing code, that's great and the contributions are huge and important of course. In addition to code and a technical issue we have a human one and it makes sense to bring people together to discuss. Would you prefer there is no meeting?

Yes, I believe that significant changes to bitcoin, or even reviewing whether bitcoin is achieving various purposes as described in the initial white paper should be monitored and reviewed by actual people and stakeholders... in other words, it would probably be inhumane to attempt to completely remove human input from the equation.

Accordingly, I thought that my couple of above posts from two days ago were attempts to ask well-meaning questions regarding process, consensus, hardforks and whether clarification can be considered at the upcoming meeting.

So far, my above posts have neither been acknowledged, responded to nor referenced by you, and I'm a human. Wink

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Quote from: capcher on February 25, 2016, 12:57:16 PM

Holy shit, what happened to this thread?

What do you mean?

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Holy shit, what happened to this thread?

BruceFenton

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Quote from: Gleb Gamow on February 25, 2016, 01:51:14 AM

On a side note, does anybody else think it's odd that the former Houstonian Blake Benthall's Facebook page is still live? Hmmm!

So (dare I ask

) who's this Blake person?

Also, I asked about the foundation funds -- it doesn't appear that specific coins were tracked after received in a segregated way...they were all bundled together in one accounting balance called Bitcoin. The KNC donation came in and was added to the other Coins and eventually sold on Coinbase. Hope that helps. B

BruceFenton

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Quote from: Carlton Banks on February 24, 2016, 09:55:26 PM

No Bruce, what's happening is that Pieter and Wladimir are writing the code, and there's nothing that you and that illegitimate list of stakeholders can do about it. Your "Roundtable" has zero authority in Bitcoin. The fact that the outcome of the meeting is identical to the direction that the Core team is taking is entirely incidental.

Do you understand this concept, Bruce, whereby you and your friends have no influence over this situation?
Get used to it.
Satoshi has slapped that sort of nonsense back into the 20th century, where it belongs. And that's where your "Roundtable" euphemism will end: looking like it came straight out of last century

So you are saying no humans have any influence or matter? That's not what the white paper says.
Or is it just these specific people? If so, can you suggest a better list or who is missing?

As for writing code, that's great and the contributions are huge and important of course. In addition to code and a technical issue we have a human one and it makes sense to bring people together to discuss. Would you prefer there is no meeting?

Gleb Gamow

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https://www.facebook.com/blakeeb

https://www.facebook.com/blakeeb

You know what? I have second thoughts about Marshall "Loose Pig" Long attending the meetup. I'd say he may be good for the event. I mean, maybe he does have a bunch of miners scattered across the globe paid for with moneys from who-knows-where.

On a side note, does anybody else think it's odd that the former Houstonian Blake Benthall's Facebook page is still live? Hmmm!

This PSA brought to you by the same dude who exposed Curtis Green on this forum: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bigasic-locked-the-thread-he-started-to-help-a-silk-road-mod-1045937 (you'll love the part where he claimed to have fucked his daughter).

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Quote from: Carlton Banks on February 24, 2016, 09:55:26 PM

Quote from: BruceFenton on February 22, 2016, 12:03:47 PM

Quote from: Kprawn on February 22, 2016, 10:22:15 AM

Where is Wladimir J. van der Laan and Pieter Wuille ? ..... These guys has contributed the most to the code and they not there? ... What am I missing?

These meetings behind closed doors again... like the Island weekend? The exclusion of vital Core developers when Bitcoin stuff is discussed is something we

should worry about? Huh

They were both invited and unfortunately did not even reply.

I hear through the grapevine that they want to avoid "politics" - no idea if this is the case, I don't know either of them...but, if so, there is nothing noble about avoiding politics when an important key discussion is going on.

Leaders in this space should not abdicate - everyone should either be working on bringing people together and increasing understand or should be working on explaining their position to others.

No Bruce, what's happening is that Pieter and Wladimir are writing the code, and there's nothing that you and that illegitimate list of stakeholders can do about it. Your "Roundtable" has zero authority in Bitcoin. The fact that the outcome of the meeting is identical to the direction that the Core team is taking is entirely incidental.

Do you understand this concept, Bruce, whereby you and your friends have no influence over this situation?
Get used to it.
Satoshi has slapped that sort of nonsense back into the 20th century, where it belongs. And that's where your "Roundtable" euphemism will end: looking like it came straight out of last century

You don't think a consensus among the human actors is important?

Carlton Banks

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Quote from: BruceFenton on February 22, 2016, 12:03:47 PM

Quote from: Kprawn on February 22, 2016, 10:22:15 AM

Where is Wladimir J. van der Laan and Pieter Wuille ? ..... These guys has contributed the most to the code and they not there? ... What am I missing?

These meetings behind closed doors again... like the Island weekend? The exclusion of vital Core developers when Bitcoin stuff is discussed is something we

should worry about? Huh

They were both invited and unfortunately did not even reply.

I hear through the grapevine that they want to avoid "politics" - no idea if this is the case, I don't know either of them...but, if so, there is nothing noble about avoiding politics when an important key discussion is going on.

Leaders in this space should not abdicate - everyone should either be working on bringing people together and increasing understand or should be working on explaining their position to others.

No Bruce, what's happening is that Pieter and Wladimir are writing the code, and there's nothing that you and that illegitimate list of stakeholders can do about it. Your "Roundtable" has zero authority in Bitcoin. The fact that the outcome of the meeting is identical to the direction that the Core team is taking is entirely incidental.

Do you understand this concept, Bruce, whereby you and your friends have no influence over this situation?
Get used to it.
Satoshi has slapped that sort of nonsense back into the 20th century, where it belongs. And that's where your "Roundtable" euphemism will end: looking like it came straight out of last century

BlindMayorBitcorn

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You mean this guy?

Gleb Gamow

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https://twitter.com/FinalHash/status/615204333873827844

Bruce, if you believe that Marshall Long has vast amounts of miners like he has alluded to for the past couple years, then I don't don't what to say. This fucker has left a trail of destruction in the crypto space ever since he entered it, and it wasn't in 2009 like Marshall claims.

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the whole thing feels like a PR pantomime

this thread's a lurid promotion of it

more attempts at politically motivated influence of development

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What do you think should be covered?

A well defined process to reach Consensus in Bitcoin world.

What document(s) would be a good goal?

Bitcoin Constitution. Discussion: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-constitution-looking-for-feedback-1373985

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Make Bitcoin glow with ENIAC

Quote from: BruceFenton on February 23, 2016, 10:35:21 PM

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Quote from: Gyrsur on February 23, 2016, 03:57:49 PM

Bilderberg of Bitcoin - satoshiroundtable.org

why was/is Crypto Kingdom (King) invited? because of his wealth?

Funny, surprised no one before this had ever added comic balloons.

Who is Crypto King?

Risto Pietila - He was the guy who bought the castle.

Risto is a cool guy, I wish he was returning this year

He's an anti-semitic nutter. You have to be careful with blind praise in Bitcoinia.

That been said, if he and Guy Corem ends up in a knife fight over there I hope you've got the decency to film it and upload it.

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