Topic: Satoshi Roundtable Retreat - 70 top Techies & CEOs - What should be covered? - page 6. (Read 9206 times)

I say this will all due respect, Bruce: Marshall Long is known in these here parts as a bad actor. Please, don't take my word on the subject, but read what others have penned.

Okay, it's now my turn to ask, "What fuck is happening in this thread?"

Did you just recently a) purchase this account? Or b) become insane? Srsly. When did this happen?

The accusation is that you are a freemason, and you are. Freemasons are known liars and mass murderers, and they have used extraordinary lies, secrecy and murder to infiltrate government institutions in order to exhort control over significant regions of the planet for several centuries. It's a plain and simple fact.

Why should anyone believe a single word you say? Freemasons have for years desperately tried to heap ridicule on such simple fundaments as the existence of the organisation, and yet historical member lists show that every public institution in Western societies was completely stacked with Freemasons for much of the 19th and 20th centuries, but it's just about church meetings and pancakes, eh Bruce?

Liar.

(at an absolute minimum, you're lying to yourself)

This event has absolutely nothing whatsoever in any way to do with freemasonry.  I've never discussed it with Freemasons, it is not a topic of the event, no Freemasons are attending that I know of -- there is simply no tie in any way at all.

As for the overall bigger picture comments about freemasonry, yes, they are off topic and yes you are incorrect and yes you are a conspiracy theory.

Freemasons have not been responsible for genocide etc. your claims are too far fetched to debate and I'm not on a Bitcoin char board to debate the merits of an organization I'm a member of any more than I would come here and defend my religion, sexual orientation or anything else.

If someone has a specific actual accusation against me I'd address it.

This is a thread about the Satoshi Roundtable event--  isn't a thread about freemasonry in any remote way shape or form by any stretch of the imagination so I'm not going to spend any more time here on it.   If you want to DM me or go speak with a Freemason directly you are welcome to.

Careful with those labels Bruce; labelling can't simulatneously be your complaint and your defense.


He responded anyway despite your ethical stipulations, and his response was to confirm what I said. These are nasty, subversive people without compare, responsible for multiple genocides, and your response is "off-topic"? Ok.


So, no discussions about the organisation itself should be permitted, only discussion about how the organisation is organised? right.

Whether he is guilty or not, no one should have to respond to that level of general vagueness in your accusations, and maybe if you provided some evidence... but that doesn't mean that you are on topic in this particular thread to suggest that either a guest or an organizer of a meeting lacks credibility in a variety of ways..

O.k.  It appears that you have some issues with the bitcoin foundation (and surely, there are a lot of people who have various issues with that organization) and even if a large number of those issues are legit, such as whether they spent money wisely, etc. etc., those still seem to be a bit off topic, when the discussion here seems to be asking for input for an upcoming meeting regarding governance and/or scaleability and/or a road map forward.

To me, it seems mostly to be so, but maybe it was your manner of presentation.. more than anything....

Oh, I get it now -- you are a freemasonry conspiracy theorist.

Thanks for clarifying.  

Although at the beginning of your post you were going on about how the Roundtable was bad and corporations and developers etc are bad.

Yes, like 2 million or so other people, I'm a Freemason.   I'm not very active at all, have probably attended 1-2 meetings in the last three years -- all at my local lodge which is in a tiny town in the country.  We get about 15-20 people, all local who attend.  My family and I have pancake breakfast there about once a month at a fundraiser they do.

I've never, ever combined freemasonry in Bitcoin in any way so -- aside from your no doubt incorrect theories on freemasonry they are doubly irrelevant in this context, talking about an event that has nothing to do with in in an industry that has nothing to do with it.

It's like bringing up someone's sexual orientation, religion or something

Odd

What on earth are you talking about?

How is Satoshi Roundtable a "control freak" or gangster organization?  It's a group of very different people who don't even agree with each other, many have never met...there is nothing to control.

I presided over absolutely no "extravagant expenses" at the Bitcoin Foundation so this is a complete falsehood.  When I became a volunteer the organization had very little money and expenses are now less than 10% of peak spending I have taken zero funds from the foundation and my biggest expense reimbursements have been under a couple thousand dollars for DevCore travel, web hosting and a few other things I've covered.  I actually donated not only time but also $10,000 from my own pocket.

For Roundtable - What would make you think I'm trying to strong arm any devs?  I have no bias in the capacity issue.  This event, btw was planned long before Classic was announced and long before this most recent rift.

Who exactly is "corrupt"?   What "corrupt friends" you are throwing out ridiculous insults without any backing so one can only guess what you are talking about.   I presume you consider every attendee to be my "friend" and one or more of them is "corrupt"?   Well they are not all my friends, many I haven't even met and many more are loose acquaintances.  I'm not sure who is corrupt in your opinion or what you base that on-  if I had information of someone being a bad actor they wouldn't be invited.  I actually screen these attendees far more than any other meeting I know of.

 I did my best to invite a good group to get together.  I'm sure I made mistakes and there are statistical odds that there are a few bad apples and I'm sorry for that --  but overall I'm happy with the group that was gathered.

Bruce Fenton freely admits to being a member of the No. 1 most corrupt and depraved organisation of all time. There's not much else to say, other than that Bruce should be only too happy to confirm the fact (although he will of course chicane that discussion into geometry or perhaps some mystical/religious nonsense). Take it away, Bruce.

Do you know something about Bruce that we don't? He already (sort of) passed the troll test. What do you know?

The reputation of the organiser is off-topic? In a topic about the organisation? I see.

Seems like it is a bit much what you are saying, and doesn't seem like it is on topic...   

If someone is bias or corrupt, then that is relevant, but it is not really the topic of this thread, from what I can see. 

Therefore it seems to be unnecessary and irrelevant ad hominem.. because it is not the topic at hand.






O.k... maybe some or all of this is true, but it is not the topic of this thread.

also, maybe if everything that you say is true, then it would discredit, but still seems that it is far from proven, and it is not part of this thread topic.  If there is a thread about such, you could link to it, for people who may want to engage about those alleged items.



I've already addressed this part. see above.

So, referring to Bruce and his control freak organisation as gangsters is ad hominem? Ad hominem has to be slanderous, Bruce's gangster background is a fact, that he freely admits to. Of course, I'm sure he would defend himself by saying that he's a "gangster of geometry", or similar garbage, but that's to be expected from a member of an organisation that defends it's members and their secrets at any cost, lying is instinctive to these people.


Bruce Fenton is a self-confessed member of essentially the most pernicious organisation in history, and "gangster" doesn't even begin to cover it. May I suggest that people think more carefully before validating this man's attempt to gain a position in the community, he has done nothing to warrant it, and everything to suggest he should not be trusted or engaged. (i.e. presiding over hilariously extravagant expense claims at the corrupt Bitcoin Foundation).


So yeah, Bruce, I'm negative. About you. The only people who want Bruce Fenton and his corrupt friends involved in Bitcoin are Bruce Fenton and his corrupt friends. No-one has succeeded in strong-arming the Core devs up to now, and it's not going to happen as a result of this latest illegitimate organisation either.

I was alluding to something else, but thanks nonetheless, CBH.

Great article Bruno! So that's how their doing it, buy up the relays sit and wait for bad guys to expose themselves. Well, that should be the end of TOR. You can't use it if you can't trust the relays.

That concept will eventually make Bitcoin just another government controlled financial tool. Just buy up most of the equipment and own the system. For a government, the cost would be negligible. Are we absolutely certain the Chinese government hasn't already done that? The Chinese were taking a hardline stance against Bitcoin then suddenly most mining farms are in China? In what world does that make any sense?

http://www.vocativ.com/tech/internet/blake-benthall/

I'll migrate the second part of your response to your TBF thread.

It's always worth talking as long as people can attempt to stay on the topic and try not to take things too personally, and sometimes that will involve some level of ad hominem attacks.

Surely, ad hominem attacks are not appropriate, but sometimes "humans" have difficulties controlling their emotions and they feel that they need to vent.  But, that would not mean that you discontinue the conversation if the conversation can get back on track to attempt to address some of the more important substantive issues.