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Quote from: CurbsideProphet on January 08, 2013, 08:19:41 PM

Quote from: dooglus on January 06, 2013, 01:05:23 AM

Quote from: arklan on January 06, 2013, 12:14:20 AM

quick question: those of you posting the "number of bets, winnings" stuff, where are you finding that? i just pulled my transaction history for my payout address and i THINK i'm up about 1 btc, but i'd like to see that somewhere if it's available.

I think that was from the official satoshidice client program "SatoshiRoller" that they released a while back.

Where is this client? The only link I found directs you back to satoshidice.

Looks like I was wrong, and it's the blockchain.info wallet's SD feature that was tracking overall profit.

You can see that SatoshiRoller has a similar but different display:

You can get the client from http://satoshidice.com/roller/ - though I can't find it linked anywhere on their site. There's a forum thread announcing the client here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/update-satoshidice-android-and-desktop-apps-open-beta-v11-124093

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Quote from: dooglus on January 06, 2013, 01:05:23 AM

Quote from: arklan on January 06, 2013, 12:14:20 AM

quick question: those of you posting the "number of bets, winnings" stuff, where are you finding that? i just pulled my transaction history for my payout address and i THINK i'm up about 1 btc, but i'd like to see that somewhere if it's available.

I think that was from the official satoshidice client program "SatoshiRoller" that they released a while back.

Where is this client? The only link I found directs you back to satoshidice.

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Quote from: Gyrsur on January 08, 2013, 07:20:28 AM

exactly. and they changed also something in the logic to become more profitable. my experience is bad from the start of the change. they changed also the min. bet from 0.001 to 0.01 without any explanation. my guess is that they want to prevent systematic bets and have more bets of real players because they risk more without any logic.

EDIT: wow max. bet is changed to 500 BTC. seams to me they have to become more profitable to pay out a good interest to the shareholders. so nothing realy new in the bitcoin world. if money comes into the game the old rules rule.

There's no change "to become more profitable" if by that you're suggesting that they're cheating. You have the same chance of winning now as you did before. and the site is still "provably fair"; you can check that they're not cheating you by calculating the hashes for yourself The only change is for people who make multiple bets in a single transaction. You used to get the same lucky number for all bets in a transaction, so you could bet 250 BTC on "lessthan 56000", another 250 BTC on "lessthan 52000" and so on, and end up with a huge bet of several thousand BTC. All the bets would get the same lucky number, so if the number was low enough they would all win. That was very risky, and caused huge swings in the profit/loss of the site.

The min bet was increased because people were making thousands of min bets, and the system was unable to keep up with them. The current min bet is only about 13 US cents.

The max bet changing to 500 BTC is a direct result of people now being unable to make multiple bets against the same lucky number. Since you now can't place thousand-BTC bets against a lucky number, it's safe to increase the max bet a bit.

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Quote from: 2GOOD on January 07, 2013, 01:53:43 PM

Hey since when I get different lucky numbers for one transaction (2 bets) Huh

This is the boiling point. I'm out !!!

exactly. and they changed also something in the logic to become more profitable. my experience is bad from the start of the change. they changed also the min. bet from 0.001 to 0.01 without any explanation. my guess is that they want to prevent systematic bets and have more bets of real players because they risk more without any logic.

EDIT: wow max. bet is changed to 500 BTC. seams to me they have to become more profitable to pay out a good interest to the shareholders. so nothing realy new in the bitcoin world. if money comes into the game the old rules rule.

btw: this is also the difference to the Linux story. in the beginning of the Linux story there was now commercial interests and this was very good. but Bitcoin itself has commercial interests by it's nature. my conclusion during the past time is that the Linux story and the Bitcoin story is very different. also the involved individuals are very different. not comparable to the fresh mind in the early days of Linux.

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Quote from: evoorhees on January 07, 2013, 03:12:42 PM

Quote from: Carnth on January 07, 2013, 02:40:44 PM

Quote from: 2GOOD on January 07, 2013, 01:53:43 PM

Hey since when I get different lucky numbers for one transaction (2 bets) Huh

Since Jan 3:

Quote from: fireduck on January 02, 2013, 07:03:09 PM

At 2013-01-03 00:00 GMT (In about an hour) the logic for calculating the bet hash which was hmac512(secret, bet_transaction_id) will be changed to hmac512(secret, bet_transaction_id + ":" + bet_output_index)

This means that each bet inside a single transaction will get a different lucky number. With this change, we will be relaxing some of our max check logic so that players will be able to make multiple bets to the same address in a single transaction.

Currrently, if a player sends a transaction of:
{
250 BTC -> 1dicec9k7KpmQaA8Uc8aCCxfWnwEWzpXE
250 BTC -> 1dicec9k7KpmQaA8Uc8aCCxfWnwEWzpXE
}

The first one will be processed normally, the second one will be considered above max.

At the switch over at 00:00 the same transaction will be processed as two separate bets with two separate lucky numbers and won't be considered above max.

I'll be updating the docs to reflect this as well.

Correct.

And this was done because players could stack bets together in one transaction to effectively get over the bet max. This wasn't "unfair" to anyone, but it did cause very high variance that was quite risky for the house to run. It was decided to ensure each input got its own lucky number, but then also increase the max-max bets up to 500. So high rollers should be happy still, but the system is more stable/less volatile.

There is a larger max payout now on single bets than combining many bets previously if you look at exchange rates.

This max transaction Jul 10 $11.66-> $39,200 on 0s

Today: max bets at 1000x-64000x: $1.13-$72.50 -> $72,400, so the house has a higher bankroll and we assume this won't break them. One in a million chance that two bets pull out $140,000.

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Quote from: Carnth on January 07, 2013, 02:40:44 PM

Quote from: 2GOOD on January 07, 2013, 01:53:43 PM

Hey since when I get different lucky numbers for one transaction (2 bets) Huh

Since Jan 3:

Quote from: fireduck on January 02, 2013, 07:03:09 PM

At 2013-01-03 00:00 GMT (In about an hour) the logic for calculating the bet hash which was hmac512(secret, bet_transaction_id) will be changed to hmac512(secret, bet_transaction_id + ":" + bet_output_index)

This means that each bet inside a single transaction will get a different lucky number. With this change, we will be relaxing some of our max check logic so that players will be able to make multiple bets to the same address in a single transaction.

Currrently, if a player sends a transaction of:
{
250 BTC -> 1dicec9k7KpmQaA8Uc8aCCxfWnwEWzpXE
250 BTC -> 1dicec9k7KpmQaA8Uc8aCCxfWnwEWzpXE
}

The first one will be processed normally, the second one will be considered above max.

At the switch over at 00:00 the same transaction will be processed as two separate bets with two separate lucky numbers and won't be considered above max.

I'll be updating the docs to reflect this as well.

Correct.

And this was done because players could stack bets together in one transaction to effectively get over the bet max. This wasn't "unfair" to anyone, but it did cause very high variance that was quite risky for the house to run. It was decided to ensure each input got its own lucky number, but then also increase the max-max bets up to 500. So high rollers should be happy still, but the system is more stable/less volatile.

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Quote from: 2GOOD on January 07, 2013, 01:53:43 PM

Hey since when I get different lucky numbers for one transaction (2 bets) Huh

Since Jan 3:

Quote from: fireduck on January 02, 2013, 07:03:09 PM

At 2013-01-03 00:00 GMT (In about an hour) the logic for calculating the bet hash which was hmac512(secret, bet_transaction_id) will be changed to hmac512(secret, bet_transaction_id + ":" + bet_output_index)

This means that each bet inside a single transaction will get a different lucky number. With this change, we will be relaxing some of our max check logic so that players will be able to make multiple bets to the same address in a single transaction.

Currrently, if a player sends a transaction of:
{
250 BTC -> 1dicec9k7KpmQaA8Uc8aCCxfWnwEWzpXE
250 BTC -> 1dicec9k7KpmQaA8Uc8aCCxfWnwEWzpXE
}

The first one will be processed normally, the second one will be considered above max.

At the switch over at 00:00 the same transaction will be processed as two separate bets with two separate lucky numbers and won't be considered above max.

I'll be updating the docs to reflect this as well.

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Hey since when I get different lucky numbers for one transaction (2 bets) Huh

This is the boiling point. I'm out !!!

Jakers

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Thank you

I just received my payment a few minutes ago. I can't believe I risked a whole bitcoin for 5 cents! Angry

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Quote from: Jakers on January 07, 2013, 12:22:06 PM

Hey, I sent a few small bets, and they came back fine. I have just sent a $5 and $13 bet in, and nothing came back. The other ones had come back instant, is there any reason why nothing came back for these ones, not even a $0.00?

Here is the perfect answer to your question:

Quote from: Stephen Gornick on January 05, 2013, 12:02:33 AM

Has the bet transaction confirmed? If not, is it a child of a transaction that also has not confirmed?

If that is the case, those are likely being ignored until they have a confirmation, which was a change that was implemented late December following some transactions that were essentially disrupting the system. If that is the case, place your wagers with the Bitcoin-Qt client which will not allow you to spend funds that don't have at least one confirmation.

If you are still having problems and your bet transaction has at least one confirm, find your bet transactions and paste them here so we can help your better.

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Hey, I sent a few small bets, and they came back fine. I have just sent a $5 and $13 bet in, and nothing came back. The other ones had come back instant, is there any reason why nothing came back for these ones, not even a $0.00?

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Quote from: arklan on January 06, 2013, 12:14:20 AM

quick question: those of you posting the "number of bets, winnings" stuff, where are you finding that? i just pulled my transaction history for my payout address and i THINK i'm up about 1 btc, but i'd like to see that somewhere if it's available.

I got it from my blockchain.info wallet. In the "send" area there's a specific SatoshiDice application. At the bottom of the screen it shows you your stats, though sometimes it doesn't seem to display.

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Quote from: arklan on January 06, 2013, 12:14:20 AM

quick question: those of you posting the "number of bets, winnings" stuff, where are you finding that? i just pulled my transaction history for my payout address and i THINK i'm up about 1 btc, but i'd like to see that somewhere if it's available.

I think that was from the official satoshidice client program "SatoshiRoller" that they released a while back.

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quick question: those of you posting the "number of bets, winnings" stuff, where are you finding that? i just pulled my transaction history for my payout address and i THINK i'm up about 1 btc, but i'd like to see that somewhere if it's available.

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Quote from: Stephen Gornick on January 05, 2013, 12:02:33 AM

Quote from: legitnick on January 04, 2013, 08:47:48 PM

I have around 150 bets that have Payment TX Status: UNKNOWN

Has the bet transaction confirmed? If not, is it a child of a transaction that also has not confirmed?

If that is the case, those are likely being ignored until they have a confirmation, which was a change that was implemented late December following some transactions that were essentially disrupting the system. If that is the case, place your wagers with the Bitcoin-Qt client which will not allow you to spend funds that don't have at least one confirmation.

I've been using My Wallet

Edit: regular wallet is working now and my balance finally got back to normal

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Quote from: legitnick on January 04, 2013, 08:47:48 PM

I have around 150 bets that have Payment TX Status: UNKNOWN

Has the bet transaction confirmed? If not, is it a child of a transaction that also has not confirmed?

If that is the case, those are likely being ignored until they have a confirmation, which was a change that was implemented late December following some transactions that were essentially disrupting the system. If that is the case, place your wagers with the Bitcoin-Qt client which will not allow you to spend funds that don't have at least one confirmation.

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I have around 150 bets that have Payment TX Status: UNKNOWN

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Congratulations to SD on a nice write-up in the Business Week technology section this morning. You guys are moving bitcoin forward.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-01-03/bitcoin-making-online-gambling-legal-in-the-u-dot-s-dot#r=nav-r-story

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