Saudi diplomat sentenced to caning in Singapore for sexual abuse

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 12, 2017, 09:38:26 AM

Quote from: Fizamcc on February 11, 2017, 01:43:40 PM

I certainly condemn sexual violence but I don't know how it really is. Maybe this is a provocation? Remember as a candidate to head the international monetary Fund Strauss Kahn? Maybe it's the same?

At least in this case, I believe that the charges are real. The Saudis are notorious for their perverted behavior, both at home and abroad. A few days back, I read that more than 90% of the female domestic helps in Saudi Arabia are raped regularly by their employers.

For me rape is a great evil! Punishment should be severe, but the laws which is punished only for the fact that the man suggested the woman to meet is a bust. Women can generally ceases to be interested in men and all the love will go to the prostitutes.

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Quote from: Fizamcc on February 11, 2017, 01:43:40 PM

I certainly condemn sexual violence but I don't know how it really is. Maybe this is a provocation? Remember as a candidate to head the international monetary Fund Strauss Kahn? Maybe it's the same?

At least in this case, I believe that the charges are real. The Saudis are notorious for their perverted behavior, both at home and abroad. A few days back, I read that more than 90% of the female domestic helps in Saudi Arabia are raped regularly by their employers.

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Quote from: Lacander on February 11, 2017, 12:25:42 PM

This is still not enough for population growth.

See fertility rate as a "fitness function" of the respective country. Higher is better, even it is below threshold of replacement (about 2.1 in technologically advanced countries).

Quote from: SameHow on February 11, 2017, 01:13:52 PM

Any problems with the population easy to control due to migration. I do not understand why migration has become a problem. If competently approach to this problem it is possible to provide the country with cheap labor.

Do you want the last words you have heard in your life would be "Allahu Akbar"?!

Quote from: eddie13 on February 11, 2017, 01:34:18 PM

So if a guy from Holland comes and smokes crack in America our laws don't apply to him because his laws allow it?
Should a guy from suadi arabia be able to kill his daugter in America because it is legal for him in saudi?
Can I go sell AR-15s in Mexico and Germany because it is legal for me here in the USA?

For some basic laws which are universally known (murder, theft, rape using physical violence /except b*shit "statutory rape"/, vandalism) it is not a problem. They are illegal no mater of jurisdiction.

For other acts, person cannot be punished before he signed a contract with the visa-issuing government that he knows and understands ALL laws the govt wants to apply to him! It must me informed consent, well explained by visa officer and the officer must ensure if the visa-asking person really understand these laws.

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I certainly condemn sexual violence but I don't know how it really is. Maybe this is a provocation? Remember as a candidate to head the international monetary Fund Strauss Kahn? Maybe it's the same?

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Quote from: giantdragon on February 07, 2017, 12:57:42 PM

I support applying jurisdiction over citizenship, not the territory. If Saudi citizen committed crime in Singapore he must be sent to Saudi Arabia and prosecuted under Sauidi laws.
It is 100% fault of Singaporean authorities who granted visa to this man and local court can give some lashes to visa officer (just a joke, personally I am against caning, monetary fine will be the best option). Then he will think twice before issuing visas!

They would likely execute the girl in saudi arabia and let him go free..

So if a guy from Holland comes and smokes crack in America our laws don't apply to him because his laws allow it?
Should a guy from suadi arabia be able to kill his daugter in America because it is legal for him in saudi?
Can I go sell AR-15s in Mexico and Germany because it is legal for me here in the USA?
Could I open carry a locked and loaded assault rifle wearing a bullet proof vest in other countries all over the world because it is legal for me where I live?
Don't think any of those would go over well..

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 11, 2017, 12:35:07 PM

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Quote from: SirPol85 on February 11, 2017, 11:16:17 AM

The more educated people in the country, the lower her fertility. This is due to the desire of parents to ensure that their future and their children. Illiterate people in their children's workforce which will support them in old age.

Do you think France, UK, Sweden, United States, Australia are less educated than Singapore?! Grin

FYI, their fertility rates are about 1.9-2.0 children per woman.

This is still not enough for population growth. Moreover Singapore is one of the most advanced and educated Nations of Asia. Compare the performance of the United States with China or India and Bangladesh.

There are more than a billion ethnic Chinese in the world, and Singapore can easily attract ethnic Chinese immigrants from mainland China or Malaysia. So probably they are not much worried about the low birth rates.

Any problems with the population easy to control due to migration. I do not understand why migration has become a problem. If competently approach to this problem it is possible to provide the country with cheap labor.

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Quote from: Lacander on February 11, 2017, 12:25:42 PM

Quote from: giantdragon on February 11, 2017, 12:17:40 PM

Quote from: SirPol85 on February 11, 2017, 11:16:17 AM

The more educated people in the country, the lower her fertility. This is due to the desire of parents to ensure that their future and their children. Illiterate people in their children's workforce which will support them in old age.

Do you think France, UK, Sweden, United States, Australia are less educated than Singapore?! Grin

FYI, their fertility rates are about 1.9-2.0 children per woman.

This is still not enough for population growth. Moreover Singapore is one of the most advanced and educated Nations of Asia. Compare the performance of the United States with China or India and Bangladesh.

There are more than a billion ethnic Chinese in the world, and Singapore can easily attract ethnic Chinese immigrants from mainland China or Malaysia. So probably they are not much worried about the low birth rates.

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Quote from: giantdragon on February 11, 2017, 12:17:40 PM

Quote from: SirPol85 on February 11, 2017, 11:16:17 AM

The more educated people in the country, the lower her fertility. This is due to the desire of parents to ensure that their future and their children. Illiterate people in their children's workforce which will support them in old age.

Do you think France, UK, Sweden, United States, Australia are less educated than Singapore?! Grin

FYI, their fertility rates are about 1.9-2.0 children per woman.

This is still not enough for population growth. Moreover Singapore is one of the most advanced and educated Nations of Asia. Compare the performance of the United States with China or India and Bangladesh.

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This is the type of thing that should happen in the US when someone commits such a heinous crime and attempts to or thinks of using their diplomatic status as a way to get out of it. It's absolutely disgusting to see an example coming from a foreign country (Saudi Arabia) and committing such an act. Aren't they supposed to be representing their country when they go ahead and visit another place?

What a horrible example, but I GUESS these countries should pick better diplomats or the rest of the world is going to think this is how serious they take their government.

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Quote from: SirPol85 on February 11, 2017, 11:16:17 AM

The more educated people in the country, the lower her fertility. This is due to the desire of parents to ensure that their future and their children. Illiterate people in their children's workforce which will support them in old age.

Do you think France, UK, Sweden, United States, Australia are less educated than Singapore?! Grin

FYI, their fertility rates are about 1.9-2.0 children per woman.

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The more educated people in the country, the lower her fertility. This is due to the desire of parents to ensure that their future and their children. Illiterate people in their children's workforce which will support them in old age.

In most of the countries, that rule holds true. But there are some notable exceptions. For example, the fertility rate in Israel is 3.09 children per woman (3.13 for Jews, 3.32 for Muslims, and 2.12 for Christians). On the other hand, the same for North Korea is 1.98 children per woman.

Israel is a majority religious country (similar to muslim nations) qnd religious people tend to have a lot of childrens (re gods decree).

North korea: its a mix of polpots stoneage communism and stalinism. People in the land regions tend to have more children so they can eat and sell them when another famine starts (which usually happens every 1 or 2 decades there).

I think that in the case of Israel, due to the fact that it is a belligerent country and government policies aimed at stimulating the birth rate. Besides, Judaism is very similar to Islam with a negative attitude to abortion.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 11, 2017, 11:40:35 AM

Quote from: SirPol85 on February 11, 2017, 11:16:17 AM

The more educated people in the country, the lower her fertility. This is due to the desire of parents to ensure that their future and their children. Illiterate people in their children's workforce which will support them in old age.

In most of the countries, that rule holds true. But there are some notable exceptions. For example, the fertility rate in Israel is 3.09 children per woman (3.13 for Jews, 3.32 for Muslims, and 2.12 for Christians). On the other hand, the same for North Korea is 1.98 children per woman.

Israel is a majority religious country (similar to muslim nations) qnd religious people tend to have a lot of childrens (re gods decree).

North korea: its a mix of polpots stoneage communism and stalinism. People in the land regions tend to have more children so they can eat and sell them when another famine starts (which usually happens every 1 or 2 decades there).

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Quote from: SirPol85 on February 11, 2017, 11:16:17 AM

The more educated people in the country, the lower her fertility. This is due to the desire of parents to ensure that their future and their children. Illiterate people in their children's workforce which will support them in old age.

In most of the countries, that rule holds true. But there are some notable exceptions. For example, the fertility rate in Israel is 3.09 children per woman (3.13 for Jews, 3.32 for Muslims, and 2.12 for Christians). On the other hand, the same for North Korea is 1.98 children per woman.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 11, 2017, 11:10:38 AM

Quote from: giantdragon on February 10, 2017, 11:43:24 PM

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Perhaps that is the reason why Singapore is having one of the lowest crime rates in the world, despite its location in South-east Asia. Also, we should remember that Singapore is a multi-cultural nation and a melting pot for immigrants.

Singapore has fertility rate of 1.2 children per woman. If it's so successful by your opinion, why this country doomed to death?!

You must remember that Singapore is a majority ethnic Chinese nation. Although it is situated in the South-east Asia, the majority of the population is East Asian. So the fertility rate there is similar to that in various East Asian nations such as Taiwan, South Korea and Japan.

The more educated people in the country, the lower her fertility. This is due to the desire of parents to ensure that their future and their children. Illiterate people in their children's workforce which will support them in old age.

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Quote from: giantdragon on February 10, 2017, 11:43:24 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 09, 2017, 12:04:04 PM

Perhaps that is the reason why Singapore is having one of the lowest crime rates in the world, despite its location in South-east Asia. Also, we should remember that Singapore is a multi-cultural nation and a melting pot for immigrants.

Singapore has fertility rate of 1.2 children per woman. If it's so successful by your opinion, why this country doomed to death?!

You must remember that Singapore is a majority ethnic Chinese nation. Although it is situated in the South-east Asia, the majority of the population is East Asian. So the fertility rate there is similar to that in various East Asian nations such as Taiwan, South Korea and Japan.

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Quote from: giantdragon on February 10, 2017, 11:43:24 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 09, 2017, 12:04:04 PM

Perhaps that is the reason why Singapore is having one of the lowest crime rates in the world, despite its location in South-east Asia. Also, we should remember that Singapore is a multi-cultural nation and a melting pot for immigrants.

Singapore has fertility rate of 1.2 children per woman. If it's so successful by your opinion, why this country doomed to death?!

Singapore doesnt even have free speech.
The media is controlled by the .gov there.

Btw. No jail? Who says he really got canned if its not public?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 09, 2017, 12:04:04 PM

Perhaps that is the reason why Singapore is having one of the lowest crime rates in the world, despite its location in South-east Asia. Also, we should remember that Singapore is a multi-cultural nation and a melting pot for immigrants.

Singapore has fertility rate of 1.2 children per woman. If it's so successful by your opinion, why this country doomed to death?!

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Quote from: olushakes on February 10, 2017, 02:49:39 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 04, 2017, 09:12:08 AM

The idiot Saudi thought that Singapore was like the United States and India, where rich Saudis could rape whomever they want. He was proven wrong, and was sentenced to 26 months imprisonment plus 4 cane strokes in his buttock.

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/saudi-diplomat-gets-26-months-and-one-week-in-jail-4-strokes-of-the-cane-for

For the previous incidents in India and the US, check these links:

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/saudi-diplomat-friends-rape-gangrape-nepali-mother-daughter-the-complete-story/1/469406.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3248499/Saudi-prince-arrested-sex-crime-neighbors-claim-saw-bleeding-woman-screaming-help-LA-compound.html

I respect the fact that you are seeing this as a victory over the way this would have been treated in other countries that you have stated but to me, I still see it as a slap on the wrist and you might agree that if it were to be a local that is involved I am sure the punishment would have been more punitive than this then the element of being rich is definitely playing out in this scenario. I just wondered the effect of this on the victim that 26 months and 4 strokes of cane would eradicate.

The punishment may be too lenient, as per you (I don't think so). But these sort of punishments will deter similar crimes in the future. Even if this news succeeds in preventing a single similar crime in the future, I will be happy.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 04, 2017, 09:12:08 AM

The idiot Saudi thought that Singapore was like the United States and India, where rich Saudis could rape whomever they want. He was proven wrong, and was sentenced to 26 months imprisonment plus 4 cane strokes in his buttock.

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/saudi-diplomat-gets-26-months-and-one-week-in-jail-4-strokes-of-the-cane-for

For the previous incidents in India and the US, check these links:

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/saudi-diplomat-friends-rape-gangrape-nepali-mother-daughter-the-complete-story/1/469406.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3248499/Saudi-prince-arrested-sex-crime-neighbors-claim-saw-bleeding-woman-screaming-help-LA-compound.html

I respect the fact that you are seeing this as a victory over the way this would have been treated in other countries that you have stated but to me, I still see it as a slap on the wrist and you might agree that if it were to be a local that is involved I am sure the punishment would have been more punitive than this then the element of being rich is definitely playing out in this scenario. I just wondered the effect of this on the victim that 26 months and 4 strokes of cane would eradicate.

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Quote from: t3ChNo on February 07, 2017, 11:49:57 PM

Unfortunately most countries have immunity on diplomats that's why some diplomats abuse it. Most cases, they're just sent back to their home country. Good thing that this didn't happened to Singaporean government and i salute them for teaching a lesson to this diplomat.

Perhaps that is the reason why Singapore is having one of the lowest crime rates in the world, despite its location in South-east Asia. Also, we should remember that Singapore is a multi-cultural nation and a melting pot for immigrants.

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