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Looking at the latest interview during the introduction of Neymar with Al-Hilal, there Neymar said "Ronaldo started all of this and everyone called him crazy". We can see a star like Neymar admitting the effect of Ronaldo is very real. I think Ronaldo opened the door to the saudi league, other players came in, and benefited. But I understand that all European players want to come here, obviously to make a lot of money, but it must be admitted that if Ronaldo had not come here first, it would be impossible for all the players to want to come. There is always a role model for every player and Ronaldo proves that.

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Saudi just become a senseless. UCL meant UEFA champion league. It's not europe asian champion league. There have been thousands of people who are against the idea from saudi pro league.
That SPL just become even crazy. SPL shall move its country to the european continent. Cheesy

Feeling jealous? Saudis are swimming in wads of cash and they can afford to pack their league with top players from all around the world. None of the European leagues can compete with them in terms of monetary terms. And let's not forget the fact that a large fraction of the players participating in various European leagues are also hailing from other continents. There was not much outcry when Lionel Messi decided to represent Paris Saint-Germain, or when Mohamed Salah chose Liverpool. But all the hell breaks loose when Ronaldo goes for Al Nassr.

Saudis who want to do that will have to go through many difficulties, and This European arena has been formed and developed for a long time. Ronaldo came to Al Nassr, and I believe it was for the money because he had no place in European clubs. They consider him old-fashioned, and most players who come to Arab clubs are already on the other side of the slope. The appeal of the Arab currency is powerful. But the trophies and achievements in Europe will help the players easily overcome that temptation. Money can be earned later, but lost titles will never be regained. Every player wants a high salary, but the title will be even more important to them.

When Cristiano Ronaldo left Europe and went to Saudi Arabia, Ronaldo had nothing left to achieve in Europe and the last time he did not perform well at Manchester United, no other club in Europe showed interest in him, which is why he originally moved to Saudi Arabia. After Cristiano Ronaldo, Karim Benzema, Sadio Mané, Roberto Firmino, Fabinho and many other stars have already joined Saudi Arabia but I don't think they came to Saudi Arabia because their European careers ended. A number of European league stars have moved to Saudi Arabia due to the promotion and huge money offers. After the stars mentioned above, Neymar has recently left for Saudi Arabia, what do you say about Neymar, is Neymar's career in Europe over? If Neymar wanted to, he could have performed well in Europe for a few more seasons, but he came to Saudi Arabia, maybe with a different plan.

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Bono has been linked to the al hilal. his performance with sevilla against manchester united has been attracting so many eyes to come for him. I would not be surprised if sevilla will accept it as the club in the needs of money to pay its debt.
Sevilla was trying so hard to sell some players to raise money and then pay its debt. There was also an update from romano if sevilla already accepted 21m bid for bono. He is actually under rated goal keeper at this moment.

I dunno why there has not been a club who interesting to sign him as a new goal keeper. The club like bayern and real madrid shall pay attention to him. Real madrid already got kepa but bayern is still struggling to find another best goal keeper to be recruited.
Bono can also become an answer for bayern if the club wanna sign him. Bayern is still having enough time to hijack him from al hilal.

Bono is underrated keeper at this moment. He shall play in a better team than sevilla.

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Quote from: FanEagle on August 16, 2023, 09:50:35 PM

The fact that almost nobody knew a single team from this league just a year ago, and now we are aware that there are some good teams with some great players is beyond sanity. I mean we are talking about a league changing this much all of a sudden. Do not tell me that it's Ronaldo impact, because even before Ronaldo we have NEVER heard of anyone getting 100 million offers there at all. Have you heard anyone that got a 100 million per year offer from Saudi league before Ronaldo?

I have never heard of it reported before at all. This is why we are getting a much better league nowadays and it is going to matter a lot as well. I think it is going to be important to make the distinction because going forward we are going to see this league do a lot better.

Saudi Arabian clubs previously not recognized as strong club in Asian because mostly people know the clubs from Japan League or Korean League even at champion league Asia Arabian clubs doesn't have good achievement but everything was change when Ronaldo arrived to this league that they have rapid popularity and now most people are pay their attention to this league especially after plenty of European players were following Ronaldo steps with joining Arabian clubs so in my opinion indirectly Ronaldo impact also take a part to increase the popularity of this league
Indeed besides all of it money talk everything and they know how to used their money because with the source of unlimited money they know how to lifted the popularity of this league and it had positive impact because currently mostly people know this league

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Saudi just become a senseless. UCL meant UEFA champion league. It's not europe asian champion league. There have been thousands of people who are against the idea from saudi pro league.
That SPL just become even crazy. SPL shall move its country to the european continent. Cheesy

Feeling jealous? Saudis are swimming in wads of cash and they can afford to pack their league with top players from all around the world. None of the European leagues can compete with them in terms of monetary terms. And let's not forget the fact that a large fraction of the players participating in various European leagues are also hailing from other continents. There was not much outcry when Lionel Messi decided to represent Paris Saint-Germain, or when Mohamed Salah chose Liverpool. But all the hell breaks loose when Ronaldo goes for Al Nassr.

Saudis who want to do that will have to go through many difficulties, and This European arena has been formed and developed for a long time. Ronaldo came to Al Nassr, and I believe it was for the money because he had no place in European clubs. They consider him old-fashioned, and most players who come to Arab clubs are already on the other side of the slope. The appeal of the Arab currency is powerful. But the trophies and achievements in Europe will help the players easily overcome that temptation. Money can be earned later, but lost titles will never be regained. Every player wants a high salary, but the title will be even more important to them.

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I believe the "trend" will be this!
After the World Cup in Qatar in 2022, I believe it "opened the eyes" of the Arabs and they realized that football could be an interesting, lucrative sport and even entertainment for them to bring to their countries.

I have no doubts, Europe is home to the best teams in the world and that is undeniable, but I am sure that these signings that some arabian teams have made are directing attention there and around the world, and I believe... soon more signings of excellent and notable players will happen for the Saudi Arabian clubs

European football is the most competitive in the world, and they have the top players in the world playing for them. Everything about football is possible found there. Not only Europe, but the rest of the world, is more interested in European football than they are in the football of their own country. Every the young people's desire is to play for one of Europe's best teams because they believe that's where the money and fame are.

The Saudi Arabian league has just taken a turn on this narrative and wants to change everyone's belief that football cannot compete in only one continent, but that we can get more than one continent to hold the world's great players, making the football competition more competitive and also giving more players around the world a chance to showcase their talents. This is not going to end anytime soon, and football history will change, and the Asian continent will be recognised around the world in the same way that Europe is.

Yes, i agree with you!

I believe that it is the dream of many young soccer players to participate in La Liga, Champions League and other high-level championships that exist in Europe.
The best teams, the best players, structure, coaches, staffs and others importants things are in Europe.

I may be saying something that makes no sense, but if these signings of world football stars continue, if the Arabs invest even more in their countries teams, invest in marketing, structure, hire excellent coaches, I have no doubt that from now on 3, 4 or 5 years, there may be better Arab teams than Europe.

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Following the completion of his recent move to Al-Hilal, 31-year-old forward Neymar has insisted a lot is owed to Al-Nassr forward Ronaldo, for his influence in the recent growth of football in Saudi Arabia.
''I believe Cristiano Ronaldo started all of this and everybody called him 'crazy', and this and that, today you see the league more and more,'' Neymar told Al-Hilal's official channels, following his transfer from Paris Saint-Germain to the Middle East earlier this week. It has been reported the former Barcelona man will earn a staggering £137 million ($174m/€160m) in Saudi Arabia.

https://www.goal.com/en/news/neymar-cristiano-ronaldo-saudi-pro-league/blt3507a4770b6e5cd1
I remember when CR7 booed by so many people regarding his decision to join in al nassr. Many people blamed him even the fans from his competitor was also judging his movement to the al nassr but he has now proven if his movement was making a huge impact to the saudi pro league.
So many people are always regularly keeping update with the saudi pro league. Even neymar has admitted that how big the impact that being made by ronaldo to influence so many european players to follow his movement. I do understand if money was the main motive but i can't even disrespect ronaldo's role in promoting saudi pro league. Everything is changing right now. There have been many european players are following ronaldo's move. His influence is very big. No doubt if ronaldo has become the most influential football player in the world.

He bring so many changes to the saudi pro league.

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Quote from: Oneandpure on August 16, 2023, 11:40:36 PM

Which one team has bigger chance for winning Saudi Pro League season 2023/24 although still early because they have played with first match last week.

In the previous season, Al Nassr took charge during the mid-season stretch, although they stumbled towards the season's end. Yet, the performance of Al Nassr remained commendable.

This season, it seems that Ronaldo has acclimated quite well to the playing style in the Saudi League. Hence, the world's finest goal machine appears poised to steer Al Nassr towards championship glory this season, racking up goals aplenty.

I'm backing Al Nassr as the title-winning team in the Saudi League.

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Quote from: TastyChillySauce00 on August 16, 2023, 08:06:27 PM

Glad to see how heymar has praised cristiano ronaldo as a guy who has been giving massive impact to the saudi pro league. Neymar will become a part of saudi pro league club. He got various things from agree to join in al hilal.
Supercar, Mansion, driver and many more. Neymar gets everything there compared when he was still on PSG. He gets so many stupid PSG fans booed him.

Its more competitive with Saudi Pro League teams because there are have many star player each teams from Cristiano Ronaldo, Neymar and Karim Benzema have make Saudi Club dominance by top Europe players. Last signing Neymar its fantastic recruitment by Al Hilal and right now they have top Europe player all line position. From defender Al Hilal have Kalidou Koulibaly and Ruben Navas make it perfect in midfielder position then Neymar arriving make it completed in attacking line. Have four Saudi Pro League teams dominance by top Europe player and make it excited competitive between four team become the champion from Al Nassr, Al Hilal, Al Ahli and Al Ittihad.
Which one team has bigger chance for winning Saudi Pro League season 2023/24 although still early because they have played with first match last week.

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Quote from: asriloni on August 16, 2023, 10:45:27 PM

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Saudi just become a senseless. UCL meant UEFA champion league. It's not europe asian champion league. There have been thousands of people who are against the idea from saudi pro league.
That SPL just become even crazy. SPL shall move its country to the european continent. Cheesy

Feeling jealous? Saudis are swimming in wads of cash and they can afford to pack their league with top players from all around the world. None of the European leagues can compete with them in terms of monetary terms. And let's not forget the fact that a large fraction of the players participating in various European leagues are also hailing from other continents. There was not much outcry when Lionel Messi decided to represent Paris Saint-Germain, or when Mohamed Salah chose Liverpool. But all the hell breaks loose when Ronaldo goes for Al Nassr.

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Well, there's no way they can get into the Champions League. This is just one of the things we are dreaming of. Legally, it can't happen.
I will give another way for Saudi Arabian clubs to show their strength in the European arena. They will hold friendlies with major European clubs. This happened and is happening. They should open a new tournament to assert their strength even more. This tournament will be open to all clubs worldwide. But to do this, they must first show the strength of their team.

Never say never. Afterall, UEFA is a money minded organization and all they care about is revenue. They will just make an exemption for the Saudi clubs and get them to the UEFA champions league. It doesn't mean that they are going to include all the 16 Saudi clubs. They will just include the 4 clubs that are funded by the Saudi Arabian Public Investment Fund (Al Nassr, Al Hilal, Al-Ittihad and Al Ahli). For UEFA, it is beneficial as it will increase the media rights revenue for champions league. But the most important question is whether the Saudis will agree to it, or not.

That's bullshit. I remind you that it's UEFA champion league. UEFA champion league dedicated for european clubs only. UEFA shall create a new competition if it's happen but this must be FIFA's job. UEFA was an organization that based in the europe.
Saudi has money but we shall always use our sense. AFC already made its own champion league. There was also FIFA club world cup for the winner of AFC champion league to face UEFA champion league winner.

Saudi just become a senseless. UCL meant UEFA champion league. It's not europe asian champion league. There have been thousands of people who are against the idea from saudi pro league.
That SPL just become even crazy. SPL shall move its country to the european continent. Cheesy

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on August 16, 2023, 04:57:41 PM

Since other teams in Saudi League are still trying to hire more superstar players, Al Ahli doesn't want to lose the race in this market and they are ready to hire Merih Demiral from Atalanta, this player is 25 years old and he plays in the center back. Atalanta accepted the offer from Al Ahli for 18m and Merih Demiral is going to play for three years in this team for a salary of 11m for each season which is a good amount of money for a player like Merih Demiral.
Merih Demiral is going to move to Saudi Arabia soon to do the medical tests and sign the contract with Al Hilal.

There is competition between different clubs in Saudi Arabia at this time, no club wants to be left behind. This is very necessary to improve Saudi football because if there is no competition in the club then the quality of the club will never improve. If a club in Saudi League only sign European players and make their club much stronger then other teams will lag behind that club and if other clubs don't spend money and buy players from Europe then there will be a tough fight in Saudi League. Not going, as a result of which this league will lose popularity, maybe every club is competing with every club at the moment and concluding contracts with various European stars. There was a time when we thought of UEFA as football but RSL or other major leagues have changed our perception.

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Quote from: FanEagle on August 16, 2023, 09:50:35 PM

The fact that almost nobody knew a single team from this league just a year ago, and now we are aware that there are some good teams with some great players is beyond sanity. I mean we are talking about a league changing this much all of a sudden. Do not tell me that it's Ronaldo impact, because even before Ronaldo we have NEVER heard of anyone getting 100 million offers there at all. Have you heard anyone that got a 100 million per year offer from Saudi league before Ronaldo?

I have never heard of it reported before at all. This is why we are getting a much better league nowadays and it is going to matter a lot as well. I think it is going to be important to make the distinction because going forward we are going to see this league do a lot better.

Well.. I thought about it. I never took Saudi Professional League seriously until Ronaldo joined Al Nassr. In order to make the entire league popular across the world, you need to being one of the top-5 players (Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar, Mbappe.etc). And this is what the Saudis did. Ronaldo single-handedly made this league as one of the most popular across the globe. And his entry also encouraged several other players to consider their own options in Saudi Arabia. Without Ronaldo, none of this would have been possible.

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The fact that almost nobody knew a single team from this league just a year ago, and now we are aware that there are some good teams with some great players is beyond sanity. I mean we are talking about a league changing this much all of a sudden. Do not tell me that it's Ronaldo impact, because even before Ronaldo we have NEVER heard of anyone getting 100 million offers there at all. Have you heard anyone that got a 100 million per year offer from Saudi league before Ronaldo?

I have never heard of it reported before at all. This is why we are getting a much better league nowadays and it is going to matter a lot as well. I think it is going to be important to make the distinction because going forward we are going to see this league do a lot better.

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Quote from: legendbtc on August 16, 2023, 07:20:02 PM

Well, there's no way they can get into the Champions League. This is just one of the things we are dreaming of. Legally, it can't happen.
I will give another way for Saudi Arabian clubs to show their strength in the European arena. They will hold friendlies with major European clubs. This happened and is happening. They should open a new tournament to assert their strength even more. This tournament will be open to all clubs worldwide. But to do this, they must first show the strength of their team.

Saudi means no harm, they just want to compete for bigger goals this summer, making hugh difference and fighting to be predominant like European clubs. Hosting friendly games with games with European clubs, it's good proceeds to enable them qualify for good spots. Saudi Arabia clubs put in good energy this season to make their league a competitive and popular one. With the presence of new players from European clubs, they stand a chance of prominence of their league, which is not going be competitive. Al Nassr and Al Hilal are both giant of SPL, always ready to encounter any big name in Europe.

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Quote from: legendbtc on August 16, 2023, 07:20:02 PM

Well, there's no way they can get into the Champions League. This is just one of the things we are dreaming of. Legally, it can't happen.
I will give another way for Saudi Arabian clubs to show their strength in the European arena. They will hold friendlies with major European clubs. This happened and is happening. They should open a new tournament to assert their strength even more. This tournament will be open to all clubs worldwide. But to do this, they must first show the strength of their team.

Never say never. Afterall, UEFA is a money minded organization and all they care about is revenue. They will just make an exemption for the Saudi clubs and get them to the UEFA champions league. It doesn't mean that they are going to include all the 16 Saudi clubs. They will just include the 4 clubs that are funded by the Saudi Arabian Public Investment Fund (Al Nassr, Al Hilal, Al-Ittihad and Al Ahli). For UEFA, it is beneficial as it will increase the media rights revenue for champions league. But the most important question is whether the Saudis will agree to it, or not.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on August 16, 2023, 06:57:40 PM

After Neymar joined Al Hilal this summer, there were many people who said he joined Al Hilal to earn more money and he is a player who cares about money more than anything, otherwise, he could join Barcelona and return his team. A few days after the news about Neymar he said he join Al Hilal because he experienced and got some achievements in Europe but he wanted to play in another place and that's why he came to Ahl Hilal and Saudi Arabia.

Glad to see how heymar has praised cristiano ronaldo as a guy who has been giving massive impact to the saudi pro league. Neymar will become a part of saudi pro league club. He got various things from agree to join in al hilal.
Supercar, Mansion, driver and many more. Neymar gets everything there compared when he was still on PSG. He gets so many stupid PSG fans booed him.

Neymar was choosing the right place for him to leave. Im very happy to see him join in the al hilal. He deserves to be treated better rather than when he was playing for PSG.
Neymar got so many things in al hilal. He can enjoy his life by playing CSGO even further. LMAO.

I knew him as CSGO fans. He has got so many achievements in european league. It sounds non sense if he didn't wanna try to deal with a new challenge. Neymar shall enjoy his life and he was not alone in saudi pro league as well. He's been going out from the toxic environment.

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Quote from: makishart on August 16, 2023, 06:45:59 PM

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Quote from: gagux123 on August 16, 2023, 03:21:30 AM

I believe the "trend" will be this!
After the World Cup in Qatar in 2022, I believe it "opened the eyes" of the Arabs and they realized that football could be an interesting, lucrative sport and even entertainment for them to bring to their countries.

I have no doubts, Europe is home to the best teams in the world and that is undeniable, but I am sure that these signings that some arabian teams have made are directing attention there and around the world, and I believe... soon more signings of excellent and notable players will happen for the Saudi Arabian clubs

European football is the most competitive in the world, and they have the top players in the world playing for them. Everything about football is possible found there. Not only Europe, but the rest of the world, is more interested in European football than they are in the football of their own country. Every the young people's desire is to play for one of Europe's best teams because they believe that's where the money and fame are.

The Saudi Arabian league has just taken a turn on this narrative and wants to change everyone's belief that football cannot compete in only one continent, but that we can get more than one continent to hold the world's great players, making the football competition more competitive and also giving more players around the world a chance to showcase their talents. This is not going to end anytime soon, and football history will change, and the Asian continent will be recognised around the world in the same way that Europe is.

Moreover, today it became known according to media reports that the Saudi League is thinking about sending the league winner to the Champions League. I don't know how FIFA will feel about this idea, but if it happens, it will be great, the SPL will finally reach Europe, it will be a phenomenal event

UEFA champion league was only for european club only. No way for saudi league to send its candidate to go to the european competitions as it was not placed in the europe's territory. Middle east team like saudi clubs placed in the asian.
It must participate in the asian champion league. There's no way for FIFA to accept it or all of people in europe will be protesting it.

It's unlikely to happen. My guess if it's just another sensation news being made to attract people. There was also world club champion league. There's no need to for UEFA to accept it.
As saudi clubs based on the asia territory.

Well, there's no way they can get into the Champions League. This is just one of the things we are dreaming of. Legally, it can't happen.
I will give another way for Saudi Arabian clubs to show their strength in the European arena. They will hold friendlies with major European clubs. This happened and is happening. They should open a new tournament to assert their strength even more. This tournament will be open to all clubs worldwide. But to do this, they must first show the strength of their team.

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After Neymar joined Al Hilal this summer, there were many people who said he joined Al Hilal to earn more money and he is a player who cares about money more than anything, otherwise, he could join Barcelona and return his team. A few days after the news about Neymar he said he join Al Hilal because he experienced and got some achievements in Europe but he wanted to play in another place and that's why he came to Ahl Hilal and Saudi Arabia.

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Quote from: gagux123 on August 16, 2023, 03:21:30 AM

I believe the "trend" will be this!
After the World Cup in Qatar in 2022, I believe it "opened the eyes" of the Arabs and they realized that football could be an interesting, lucrative sport and even entertainment for them to bring to their countries.

I have no doubts, Europe is home to the best teams in the world and that is undeniable, but I am sure that these signings that some arabian teams have made are directing attention there and around the world, and I believe... soon more signings of excellent and notable players will happen for the Saudi Arabian clubs

European football is the most competitive in the world, and they have the top players in the world playing for them. Everything about football is possible found there. Not only Europe, but the rest of the world, is more interested in European football than they are in the football of their own country. Every the young people's desire is to play for one of Europe's best teams because they believe that's where the money and fame are.

The Saudi Arabian league has just taken a turn on this narrative and wants to change everyone's belief that football cannot compete in only one continent, but that we can get more than one continent to hold the world's great players, making the football competition more competitive and also giving more players around the world a chance to showcase their talents. This is not going to end anytime soon, and football history will change, and the Asian continent will be recognised around the world in the same way that Europe is.

Moreover, today it became known according to media reports that the Saudi League is thinking about sending the league winner to the Champions League. I don't know how FIFA will feel about this idea, but if it happens, it will be great, the SPL will finally reach Europe, it will be a phenomenal event

UEFA champion league was only for european club only. No way for saudi league to send its candidate to go to the european competitions as it was not placed in the europe's territory. Middle east team like saudi clubs placed in the asian.
It must participate in the asian champion league. There's no way for FIFA to accept it or all of people in europe will be protesting it.

It's unlikely to happen. My guess if it's just another sensation news being made to attract people. There was also world club champion league. There's no need to for UEFA to accept it.
As saudi clubs based on the asia territory.

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