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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on September 05, 2024, 01:42:02 AM

Quote from: Gallar on September 05, 2024, 12:18:01 AM

Maybe the Dutch national team coach underestimated the level of football in the Saudi Arabian League. So Steven's move to Al Ittihad is considered to reduce the quality of his game. However, as you say, this cannot be simply concluded. The point is that not all players who move to the Saudi Arabian League experience a decline in performance. Because there are several players who actually experienced an increase in performance after joining a club in the Saudi Arabian league. For example, Kante, who also joined Al Ittihad, showed quite a good performance when defending France at the Euro yesterday. Apart from that, currently the Saudi Arabian League can be said to have experienced quite significant progress. This is proven by the number of top European players who have arrived wanting to play in the Saudi Arabian league. So with this in mind, I think the Dutch national team coach is a bit wrong if, for example, Steven is really removed from the list of Dutch national team players. Because I'm sure Steven can definitely develop his talents well.

However, every coach's thinking must be different. Koeman, who is currently the coach of the Dutch national team, thinks that competition in the Saudi League will not be good for player development.
Steven Bergwijn is a player with a good game, I think it is also very unfortunate to be crossed out of the Dutch national team list. but I believe this decision must have required a lot of consideration. Koeman will not easily consider Steven Bergwijn's move to Saudi as a reason to cross him out. I'm not sure, maybe there are other problems.
Steven Bergwijn must have calculated the risk of moving to Saudi.

Koeman says why he decide to not putting Steven Bergwijn to Netherlands national team again because as a player Steven Bergwijn motivation has been change because his current motivation is money so that's why Koenan isn't interesting anymore to called Steven Bergwijn to playing with Netherlands but indeed moved to Saudi Pro League is risky moved for Steven Bergwijn and even some of the managers hasn't considering to called the players from this league because they considers Saudi Pro League is lack of competitive compared to European league

But i think Koeman shouldn't be judge the player on which league the player is playing in because in my opinion whichever league they play in but as long as they have a good performance i think those players is deserved to playing for their national team including Steven Bergwijn and for an example i have seen the players who playing at Saudi Pro League but they still regularly defend their national teams such as Ronaldo, Kante, Benzema and Sadio Mane

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Quote from: Gallar on September 05, 2024, 12:18:01 AM

Maybe the Dutch national team coach underestimated the level of football in the Saudi Arabian League. So Steven's move to Al Ittihad is considered to reduce the quality of his game. However, as you say, this cannot be simply concluded. The point is that not all players who move to the Saudi Arabian League experience a decline in performance. Because there are several players who actually experienced an increase in performance after joining a club in the Saudi Arabian league. For example, Kante, who also joined Al Ittihad, showed quite a good performance when defending France at the Euro yesterday. Apart from that, currently the Saudi Arabian League can be said to have experienced quite significant progress. This is proven by the number of top European players who have arrived wanting to play in the Saudi Arabian league. So with this in mind, I think the Dutch national team coach is a bit wrong if, for example, Steven is really removed from the list of Dutch national team players. Because I'm sure Steven can definitely develop his talents well.

However, every coach's thinking must be different. Koeman, who is currently the coach of the Dutch national team, thinks that competition in the Saudi League will not be good for player development.
Steven Bergwijn is a player with a good game, I think it is also very unfortunate to be crossed out of the Dutch national team list. but I believe this decision must have required a lot of consideration. Koeman will not easily consider Steven Bergwijn's move to Saudi as a reason to cross him out. I'm not sure, maybe there are other problems.
Steven Bergwijn must have calculated the risk of moving to Saudi.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on September 04, 2024, 03:02:14 AM

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Steven is the right recruit for Al Ittihad at this time. The reason is that in this transfer market Al Ittihad has not brought in a left winger who can really be relied on. So Steven's arrival at Al Ittihad will certainly be a very good thing for the front line. The reason is, Al Ittihad's front line now has Mousa Diaby who plays as a right winger, Benzema who plays as a striker, Houssem who plays as a central midfielder and also Steven who plays as a left winger. So with a combination like this, it is very likely that Al Ittihad will be able to become quite a strong competitor in the Saudi Arabian League. So hopefully in the next Al Ittihad match Steven can be played straight away. Because of course Steven's presence will make Al Ittihad's front line even better. The problem is that when he played at Ajax his performance could be said to be quite satisfactory. So hopefully even at Al Ittihad the performance can remain good. And in the upcoming match, Al Ittihad will face Al Wahda. If you look at the head to head record and current performance, it is clear that Al Ittihad can definitely win. So in that match I will bet big on Al Ittihad.

Steven Bergwijn's move to Al Ittihad was also full of stakes. reportedly the Dutch national team coach immediately crossed Bergwijn's name off the list of Dutch national team players because of his move to the Arab club. I don't know why that happened, because actually every player can still develop wherever he is. indeed the competition from the League in Europe is certainly tighter, but I don't think the potential of the player can be measured like that.
indeed many regret Bergwijn's move to Al Ittihad at an age when he still compete in Europe. I hope Bergwijn shows a better quality of play in the Saudi league. that will show that his move does not affect how much potential he has.

Maybe the Dutch national team coach underestimated the level of football in the Saudi Arabian League. So Steven's move to Al Ittihad is considered to reduce the quality of his game. However, as you say, this cannot be simply concluded. The point is that not all players who move to the Saudi Arabian League experience a decline in performance. Because there are several players who actually experienced an increase in performance after joining a club in the Saudi Arabian league. For example, Kante, who also joined Al Ittihad, showed quite a good performance when defending France at the Euro yesterday. Apart from that, currently the Saudi Arabian League can be said to have experienced quite significant progress. This is proven by the number of top European players who have arrived wanting to play in the Saudi Arabian league. So with this in mind, I think the Dutch national team coach is a bit wrong if, for example, Steven is really removed from the list of Dutch national team players. Because I'm sure Steven can definitely develop his talents well.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on September 04, 2024, 06:54:29 PM

I think Al Ahli did a very smart move by signing Ivan Toney. This player was linked with some top EPL teams, but finally he moves to Al Ahli. Ivan Toney was one of top strikers in EPL, now he will be the machine goal of Al Hilal. Anyway, I think Toney and Firmino can play together. Toney must play as a striker, meanhile Firmino can play as an attacking midfielder or a second striker.

Ivan Toney is known with his cold penalty in Euro 2024 and honestly I am very impressed with his shot and his penalty shooting style. He can provide some other things for Al-Ahli attacking system too and Firmino with his time in Liverpool shows that he can support his team mates in attacking system very well. Firmino is a striker with his favorite style of ready sacrificing his own benefit and positions in order to help a team scoring goals and wining matches. Firmino is not obsessed with goals scored by himself.

I believe Ivan Toney and Roberto Firmino can support each other very well in Al-Ahli and if this club becomes stronger and more competitive, it will help to increase general quality and competitiveness of Saudi Professional League.

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Quote from: slapper on September 02, 2024, 10:58:58 AM

Al Ahli grabbing Ivan Toney is intriguing. Toney and Firmino together? They're whipping up a special offensive team.

I think Al Ahli did a very smart move by signing Ivan Toney. This player was linked with some top EPL teams, but finally he moves to Al Ahli. Ivan Toney was one of top strikers in EPL, now he will be the machine goal of Al Hilal. Anyway, I think Toney and Firmino can play together. Toney must play as a striker, meanhile Firmino can play as an attacking midfielder or a second striker.

Quote from: Volgastallion on September 02, 2024, 06:26:55 PM

Whatttt? Really?
How in the hell they think Arsenal is gonna sell him after he saves Arsenal the other day in a super important match against Aston Villa. I come back from a long hollidays and the first i see is this, just incredible, im gonna take a nap and when i wake up lets see if this is correct.

As far as I know Arsenal has rejected the offer of Al Ittihad. It is a bit impossible for Arsenal to sell him because he is quite crucial in Arsenal attacking. In some matches, Trossard could show great contribution for Arsenal. Yes, the match against Aston Villa is one of the example of his good contribution. I'm very sure Arsenal doesn't want to lose him.

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We usually aw some old players like Ronaldo join the Saudi League to end their career and they will choose to play for these Arabian teams because of the more money they can get in these teams while now it seems some young players are also interested in playing for these teams.
Ângelo Gabriel is a former player of Chelsea and he is a 19 player who plays as a winger and now he is going to play for Al Nassr in Saudi Arabia.

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Quote from: verdinio on September 04, 2024, 08:23:02 AM

Honestly, this championship doesn't convince me much, they spent a lot of money to recruit a lot of people but it doesn't take off.
Even Mancini who coached the Italian national team ran away there, nothing is known about him, he didn't cause a sensation or anything.
Obviously he acted like a mercenary.

Let me ask, please explain in more detail regarding the topic you posted. what kind of success do you mean, or maybe you have an interesting opinion or idea in our discussion. related to this League, as well as the arrival of top European players who play in the Saudi Pro League, we often discuss it in many posts in this thread. in short, the Saudi Kingdom and the League organizers have a mission and vision to build football in Saudi Arabia to be more developed, along with plans in the projects they run including business issues. maybe the effects will not be seen in the near future, maybe in the next 5 or 10 years their plans will bear fruit. btw, this is just my personal opinion. as for Mancini, he served as manager of the Saudi Arabian squad. well, what kind of sensation do you mean, I am interested if you channel your opinion regarding the League and Mancini.

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Quote from: Arenga pinnata on September 04, 2024, 05:31:04 AM

the Arsenal we currently see is much different. Arsenal's only ambition this time is to win the championship title which they have always failed to get due to Man City's dominance. So there is no reason for Arsenal to let go of one of their important players. I say this player is important because Arsenal, since last season, has always needed second-string players who are of the same quality as the main players. Because in the 2023 season we will see Arsenal fail due to a lack of quality second-string players. But in 2024 they have a second layer of players who are getting better. And as a result, they even almost won the title with a slight difference from Man City.

Al-ittihad will definitely be targeting other players at this time. and hopefully it works.

While I do agree that Trossard might be a good rotation player for their premier league title hopes, getting some good money for him could have meant that they could get some other player there instead, the problem is not the offer, it's the timing.

The transfer window is closed now, which means that we are seeing premier league teams not willing to sell players they would have to replace, sure you can get players they do not want in their squad, but Trossard would have to be replaced and they can't replace him. If this offer was done a month ago, I bet that Arsenal would have accepted it, take the money and get some other player there instead.

Saudi league having a bit later transfer window allows them to get unwanted players for cheaper when all other teams fail, but at the same time it means that players who are wanted will never leave because they won't be able to get replaced. They can go knock on Chelsea's door, Chelsea has so many players they do not want on their team.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on September 04, 2024, 09:57:33 AM

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In the last two seasons Al Nassr's problem has always been the same, namely they have problems in their defense line, so that is what hinders them from competing with Al Hilal for the Saudi Pro League title. Unfortunately at the beginning of this season they showed the same problem, namely looking fragile in defense. Cristiano Ronaldo continues to show good performances, only that it is not supported by good play from all lines, especially in defense. Compared to their rivals Al Hilal, Al Nassr is still behind so it is very natural when many people predict that Al Hilal will win the title again this season. Now we can only see whether they will be better or not to compete for the title.

I have no doubt about what you are talking about, because that is how it is, it is very noticeable, but I do not understand something, if we know this, if from here we can see these errors, why does the coach of Al Nassr not correct it? That is something that does not make much sense, because eventually things are always like that, but there must be a way that they can do something, otherwise they will continue repeating the same story. I understand that many already predict that Al Hilal will be champions, but they must really change their formation, because defense is also fundamental in the team.

Al Nassr is a team that surprised us before by bringing Ronaldo into their squad, but after improving their attack line, Al Nassr actually forgot that defense is also a very important factor in supporting their desire to win the league all this time, but that is precisely what we have been think all this time always contrary from what management has thought all this time, but it seems that Al Nassr management is starting to open their eyes because currently they have recruited two new defenders, namely Mo Simakan and also Salem Al Najdi.
Apart from defenders, to be honest, all this time I have noticed that the game played by the Al Nassr coach is too easy for the opponent to read and doesn't look different in each of their matches, when an Al Nassr player gets the ball, of course we can predict that the ball will still end up at Ronaldo feet so that often the opposing players actually stop the flow of the ball from the middle of the field and that it tends to be easier to stop Al Nassr attacks, so I think apart from strengthen their defense line, Al Nassr also at this time deserves to reconsider Luis Castro as their coach.

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Bergwijn joining Benzema is a good move, Ittihad seems like a better team already this season, if Benzema doesn't run away this time around, they have a good squad that can play for the title. While I agree that Hilal seems like the best one without a doubt, and Nasr seems like a close second, Ittihad seems a lot better right now as well.

I think the best thing to do right now would be just focusing on which team will have better manager and play better during the season, just because some teams have good squads doesn't mean they will play great. Jorge Jesus is a great manager who has been winning everything since he joined, I think it will definitely be a situation that will not be all that easy to handle for any other team, think about how good they have been, pretty sure they will win the title again.

However, Ittihad trying their very best is important for the league, it creates competition and possibility that Ittihad could do something this year.

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And here we go...... another and another player from top team or top league from europe being and still in good shape good fit and in good age went to Arabia, now it really seem like is a place for a one season holliday to not lost the track and await for the next season to take part in other team who have space for them, is gonna work like a hub or a storage of players for europe.

But well is a win win for both parts or 3 parts if we include the players in the equation.

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Quote from: hyudien on August 31, 2024, 10:15:39 AM

In the last two seasons Al Nassr's problem has always been the same, namely they have problems in their defense line, so that is what hinders them from competing with Al Hilal for the Saudi Pro League title. Unfortunately at the beginning of this season they showed the same problem, namely looking fragile in defense. Cristiano Ronaldo continues to show good performances, only that it is not supported by good play from all lines, especially in defense. Compared to their rivals Al Hilal, Al Nassr is still behind so it is very natural when many people predict that Al Hilal will win the title again this season. Now we can only see whether they will be better or not to compete for the title.

I have no doubt about what you are talking about, because that is how it is, it is very noticeable, but I do not understand something, if we know this, if from here we can see these errors, why does the coach of Al Nassr not correct it? That is something that does not make much sense, because eventually things are always like that, but there must be a way that they can do something, otherwise they will continue repeating the same story. I understand that many already predict that Al Hilal will be champions, but they must really change their formation, because defense is also fundamental in the team.

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Currently, seeing European players joining SPL clubs has become a common occurrence. And it seems like we are becoming more and more used to this.

Money is key because career life of football players is very short and they have to maximize income they can have from playing time. After retirement, they will have less jobs to do and income will be affected. It is more than true with players who are not at star or super star players. With them, good offer and high salary from Saudi Arabia club is very hard to refuse.

You are absolutely right, many European players go to Saudi Arabia because they are offered a salary of more than 2x when they were still in Europe and they do not waste this opportunity even though their football career is over at least they can get a big salary for their retirement, this does not apply to ordinary players, even star players also find it difficult to refuse if their age and football career are no longer good as in the list below.

Source : List of top players transfers to Saudi Arabian League

That does not include Ronaldo and also Nacho (Real Madrid) who this season were recruited by the Al Qadisyah club, I think in the future there will also be many top players joining Saudi Arabian clubs like the rumors that still exist today about Mohammed Salah, Kevin De Bruyne and also Casemero.

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Honestly, this championship doesn't convince me much, they spent a lot of money to recruit a lot of people but it doesn't take off.
Even Mancini who coached the Italian national team ran away there, nothing is known about him, he didn't cause a sensation or anything.
Obviously he acted like a mercenary.

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Quote from: Uruhara on September 04, 2024, 07:39:57 AM

Currently, seeing European players joining SPL clubs has become a common occurrence. And it seems like we are becoming more and more used to this.

Money is key because career life of football players is very short and they have to maximize income they can have from playing time. After retirement, they will have less jobs to do and income will be affected. It is more than true with players who are not at star or super star players. With them, good offer and high salary from Saudi Arabia club is very hard to refuse.

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Al-ittihad indeed looks very ambitious to add strength to their squad this season. AL-ittihad doesn't seem to want to experience failure like last season. And Al-ittihad seems to want to repeat their glory like in the 2023 season. But it is not only Al-ittihad who have succeeded in bringing in many new players this season from Europe. There are also many other teams. But Al-ittihad is still the most active to date.

Last season they had Benzema but failed to defend their title and worse than that, they ended it with a low position, not as a runner-up. This summer shows that Al-Ittihad don't want to stay below Al-Hilal and Al-Nassr again by their activities on transfer market. They might fail to win the league title but a runner-up position is possible and they will compete directly with Al-Nassr for this position.

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Quote from: rendravolt on September 04, 2024, 07:12:08 AM

Another player has joined Al-Ittihad and he is Danilo Ferreira who previously played for PSG. He has spent 3 seasons with the French club and he was also part of Portugal's Euro 2016 winning team. His experience will definitely be very useful here and Al-Ittihad have completed the transfer of the 32-year-old defensive midfielder.

More and more European players are coming to Al-Ittihad and this shows that they are very serious about winning the title again. The poor results they got last season certainly made them learn that they will continue to enrich the depth of their squad and it is hoped that all the players who join can have a significant impact on the club.

Currently, seeing European players joining SPL clubs has become a common occurrence. And it seems like we are becoming more and more used to this. Al-ittihad indeed looks very ambitious to add strength to their squad this season. AL-ittihad doesn't seem to want to experience failure like last season. And Al-ittihad seems to want to repeat their glory like in the 2023 season. But it is not only Al-ittihad who have succeeded in bringing in many new players this season from Europe. There are also many other teams. But Al-ittihad is still the most active to date.

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Another player has joined Al-Ittihad and he is Danilo Ferreira who previously played for PSG. He has spent 3 seasons with the French club and he was also part of Portugal's Euro 2016 winning team. His experience will definitely be very useful here and Al-Ittihad have completed the transfer of the 32-year-old defensive midfielder.

More and more European players are coming to Al-Ittihad and this shows that they are very serious about winning the title again. The poor results they got last season certainly made them learn that they will continue to enrich the depth of their squad and it is hoped that all the players who join can have a significant impact on the club.

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Quote from: mammusu on September 04, 2024, 06:51:59 AM

There are many rule changes currently being made by the Arab League football authorities this time, Previously, they implemented the rule that each team could only register 8 foreign players for each season, but after seeing competition in the league becoming more competitive, the Arab League authorities again increased the number of foreign player quotas for each club, In my opinion, what the Arab League authorities are doing is the right thing because in this way teams has the same competitiveness as other teams at the moment, apart from that, the many teams that have foreign players make the skills of the local Arab players even more capable, because the Arab League authorities also emphasized that each team must give a main place to local players and also the opportunity for young players to be included in the squad, because Saudi Arabia which is currently preparing its team to compete in the World Cup, of course continues to try so that the quality of their players is capable and has high mentality when facing European teams later.

These new rules could indeed trigger tighter competition in the Saudi Pro League. And now I understand why currently clubs like Al-ittihad, Al-ahli and other clubs which already have many European players are still hunting for new players from Europe. It turns out the rules have changed again where 10 foreign players can now registered with the team. Well, this will definitely make the SPL even more exciting. And currently almost all clubs in the SPL have their own European star players. And one of the newcomers to the SPL, namely Al-Qadisiyah, was also one of the clubs most actively hunting for top European players in the transfer market yesterday. And this shows that the competitiveness in this league will increase rapidly.

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Quote from: Ahli38 on September 03, 2024, 03:51:25 PM

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I wasn't aware that Saudi Pro League has a rule to not register more than 10 players in every club per season. It appears that Al-Hilal has more than ten and with the return of Neymar, Renan Lodi place with the registered players might be taken. Al-Hilal registered Neymar for the 2024-2025 season. Hopefully he will not be injured after a couple of matches again..

Well, this is a fairly new rule that seems to be implemented starting this season. But from several sources that I read, it turns out that previously the number of non-Saudi players who could be registered was only 8 players. But since this season it seems like the rules have been changed from initially only 8 players were allowed to be registered then now to 10 players. For this reason, several clubs are becoming increasingly aggressive in adding new European players in the transfer market. Except for a few clubs that have already reached the limit. (Sourch)
And yes Al-hilal has reached that limit. But I'm happy to hear that Neymar will eventually return to playing. Last season I didn't pay much attention to the SPL. Except for a few Al-Nassr matches. But this season I have become more interested in this league. And it would be great if Neymar also played this season.

There are many rule changes currently being made by the Arab League football authorities this time, Previously, they implemented the rule that each team could only register 8 foreign players for each season, but after seeing competition in the league becoming more competitive, the Arab League authorities again increased the number of foreign player quotas for each club, In my opinion, what the Arab League authorities are doing is the right thing because in this way teams has the same competitiveness as other teams at the moment, apart from that, the many teams that have foreign players make the skills of the local Arab players even more capable, because the Arab League authorities also emphasized that each team must give a main place to local players and also the opportunity for young players to be included in the squad, because Saudi Arabia which is currently preparing its team to compete in the World Cup, of course continues to try so that the quality of their players is capable and has high mentality when facing European teams later.

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It is very clear that Arsenal will definitely not be willing to let go of one of their mainstay players. And we know Trossard is very important at Arsenal. He has always been one of Arteta's mainstay players in the Arsenal squad. So releasing this player will only put Arsenal at risk of decreasing sharpness in the attack line. But Al-ittihad will not stop until they actually get players who are willing to join their club. Because Al-ittihad realizes that they are still far below the current A-hilal level. And if Al-ittihad wants to regain its glory, this club must add strength again. I'm sure Al-ittihad will get it. but I'm not sure if it's Galeno or not.

Arsenal recruited Trossard from Brighton for 20 million euros and now they have an offer from Al Ittihad for 35 million euros and automatically if they accept the offer then Arsenal will make a big profit at the moment, but Arsenal today is not the Arsenal of the past who often sell their star players when it comes to offers from other clubs, Trossard indeed continues to be a supersub at Arsenal last season but after his performance against Aston Villa in the second week this season it looks like Trossard will Getting a place in the starting line-up Arsenal, especially now Martinelli who is also experiencing a decline in performance, so I think Arsenal is not selling Trossard in the near future because anyway to compete in the Champions League and the Premier League of course Arteta needs a qualified squad, besides that reportedly Arsenal and Arteta have ambitions to break the negative trend for the last 22 years are now starting to build a squad with long-term projects and Selling Trossard will only make their squad weak and unbalanced later.

Yes, the Arsenal we currently see is much different. Arsenal's only ambition this time is to win the championship title which they have always failed to get due to Man City's dominance. So there is no reason for Arsenal to let go of one of their important players. I say this player is important because Arsenal, since last season, has always needed second-string players who are of the same quality as the main players. Because in the 2023 season we will see Arsenal fail due to a lack of quality second-string players. But in 2024 they have a second layer of players who are getting better. And as a result, they even almost won the title with a slight difference from Man City.

Al-ittihad will definitely be targeting other players at this time. and hopefully it works.

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