Topic: SCAM EXCHANGE: Openchange (Openchange.cash) (PARTIALLY SOLVED) - page 4. (Read 1458 times)

Just laughing at those ToS

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7.3 If the analysis of the Payin transaction revealed the presence of these types of high-risk funds and their total percentage was 40% or more, the Company has the right to withhold 10% of the amount of the incoming transaction.
7.4 If the total risk of the incoming transaction is 70% or more, the Company has the right to withhold 10% of the amount of the Payin transaction.

So basically if the funds seems to be stolen they are charging a 10% money laundering fee.

Wow, you read something new everyday. Can't believe they actually sent 90% back after they were successfully exorted Grin

Quote from: Janyiah201 on June 30, 2022, 07:14:46 PM

At this point, there is nothing left to debate, scammers, law breakers, liars, so I'm waiting to see bestchange next move...

But now I'm curious if they actually laundered the money. Did they send back 10% of his funds, or 10% of some other higher-risk funds?
With their ToS update sounds like they worked out that they could be onto something here, instead of simply refusing mixed funds...

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UPDATE:

A couple of days after public posts, threats that I will expose their previous wrongdoings, their use of fake identities and everything else that I have found, and proved them that I do have some info, like names and addresses of their Australian Paypal accounts, that I will report them to every hosting, domain registrar, etc. they accepted to process my exchange after answering a few questions, without KYC, but to keep 10% as fee because transaction is high risk.
So, I got 90% back.

Just to let everyone know, they have at least one more site: imexchanger.pro

I'm finished here.

Thanks for the update!
Honestly, if you do have evidence and info about them that they don't want to be public; since you got those 90% already, why not use that information to get the last 10%? I'm not saying you should do this, but hypothetically, if they don't return the full amount, you could just deliver on those threats. At that point it's their choice, right.

I will also add imexchanger to my blacklist! How did you link that site to openchange?

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I also wonder why old message disappear on https://www.bestchange.com/openchange-exchanger.html gone.

That's a very good question for @Best_Change to answer! Now we can't even see the original posts anymore, including opening and closing the same complaint about 20 times. And that makes me wonder how many other complaints have been censored on BestChange.com by removed posts!

For this particular exchange, this means when a new visitor who has no idea what happened for the last few days visits BestChange. He see all the positive reviews for Openchange.cash. It's all fresh for him. He decides to send coins from mixer to the exchange. After another long conversation Openchange.cash refunds 90% and keep 10% (fee or penalty). This is nice business.

Yeah, this is absolute bullshit from BestChange. Their reputation is now destroyed, in my eyes, after this course of action with openchange. I don't understand what they have to gain from this; it's not even like openchange is a big business partner; they have dozens of exchanges on their site.

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Like: how do they just cancel a claim, just because the user went out of their way to find doxxable evidence and got part of the money back? This is not how reviews work. I read through Amazon 1-star reviews, where people update about e.g. having received a full refund, but still leave the review on 1 star, since the product was simply bad. Those aren't turned into 5 star reviews (or deleted) by Amazon, after the company refunding the crappy item.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on July 04, 2022, 08:57:27 AM

I also wonder why old message disappear on https://www.bestchange.com/openchange-exchanger.html gone.

That's a very good question for @Best_Change to answer! Now we can't even see the original posts anymore, including opening and closing the same complaint about 20 times. And that makes me wonder how many other complaints have been censored on BestChange.com by removed posts!

did openchange returned your Bitcoin from the same address you sent them, or they used some different address?

OP paid from this address, which didn't receive anything back. The exchange moved the funds in this transaction, to an address that has received a total of 52145.32510318 BTC. And with that, the "100% stolen" BS story is completely forgotten.

Quote from: LoyceV on July 04, 2022, 10:28:19 AM

Wait, so if it's forbidden, then why do you accept them and take your 10% money laundering share? Grin

Lol. Saul Goodman charges 17%.

This address with 52k btc received is owned by whitebit

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I also wonder why old message disappear on https://www.bestchange.com/openchange-exchanger.html gone.

That's a very good question for @Best_Change to answer! Now we can't even see the original posts anymore, including opening and closing the same complaint about 20 times. And that makes me wonder how many other complaints have been censored on BestChange.com by removed posts!

For this particular exchange, this means when a new visitor who has no idea what happened for the last few days visits BestChange. He see all the positive reviews for Openchange.cash. It's all fresh for him. He decides to send coins from mixer to the exchange. After another long conversation Openchange.cash refunds 90% and keep 10% (fee or penalty). This is nice business.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on July 04, 2022, 08:57:27 AM

I also wonder why old message disappear on https://www.bestchange.com/openchange-exchanger.html gone.

That's a very good question for @Best_Change to answer! Now we can't even see the original posts anymore, including opening and closing the same complaint about 20 times. And that makes me wonder how many other complaints have been censored on BestChange.com by removed posts!

did openchange returned your Bitcoin from the same address you sent them, or they used some different address?

OP paid from this address, which didn't receive anything back. The exchange moved the funds in this transaction, to an address that has received a total of 52145.32510318 BTC. And with that, the "100% stolen" BS story is completely forgotten.

Wait, so if it's forbidden, then why do you accept them and take your 10% money laundering share? Grin

Lol. Saul Goodman charges 17%.

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Quote from: LoyceV on July 04, 2022, 06:34:55 AM

Quote from: Janyiah201 on June 30, 2022, 07:14:46 PM

I also noticed they just added ToS where they can take 10% for "high risk fund" which didn't exist few days ago (unfortunately i didn't archive it).

I noticed that 10% BS a few days ago already. I'm not sure if they quickly added it.
They're basically saying they can selectively scam 10% of any deposit.

That' weird, i remember it doesn't exist few days ago (should be July 1st). But it's definitely not exist a year ago according to the archive, https://web.archive.org/web/20210613120712/https://openchange.cash/t%D0%B5rms_of_service/

Just laughing at those ToS

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7.3 If the analysis of the Payin transaction revealed the presence of these types of high-risk funds and their total percentage was 40% or more, the Company has the right to withhold 10% of the amount of the incoming transaction.
7.4 If the total risk of the incoming transaction is 70% or more, the Company has the right to withhold 10% of the amount of the Payin transaction.

So basically if the funds seems to be stolen they are charging a 10% money laundering fee.
I can't wait, hope I don't have to go to discord to see how the wanna-be lawyer saxydev is going to explain how this 10% is a requirement by directive 69 of the FY constitution.

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9. Other terms.
9.1 It is forbidden to use the OpenChange Company for fraudulent and illegal transactions.

Wait, so if it's forbidden, then why do you accept them and take your 10% money laundering share? Grin

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Openchange.me tracks suspicious transactions of the clients and transactions executed under nonstandard conditions. Openchange.me performs its action on the base of AML FATF recommendations.

And releases them after taking a 10% cut.
At this point, there is nothing left to debate, scammers, law breakers, liars, so I'm waiting to see bestchange next move...

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A couple of days after public posts, threats that I will expose their previous wrongdoings, their use of fake identities and everything else that I have found, and proved them that I do have some info, like names and addresses of their Australian Paypal accounts, that I will report them to every hosting, domain registrar, etc. they accepted to process my exchange after answering a few questions, without KYC, but to keep 10% as fee because transaction is high risk.
So, I got 90% back.

I never heard of any exchange that is charging extortion fees like this Roll Eyes

It's better than nothing, but did openchange returned your Bitcoin from the same address you sent them, or they used some different address?
For me it's obvious all their ''high risk''kyc transaction talk fee is bs, and they are using this as an excuse to make extra shady profit from their customers aka stealing.

Quote from: Janyiah201 on July 03, 2022, 11:49:03 PM

I also noticed they just added ToS where they can take 10% for "high risk fund" which didn't exist few days ago (unfortunately i didn't archive it).

They can't retroactively change terms like this and steal 10% from people like they did from Janyiah201...
This scam exchange should get blacklisted, everyone should avoid using it, and BestChange needs to have this information seen on their website feedback.

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I have mixed feelings about this. You have received 90% of your funds back but they have effectively confiscated 10% for reasons that cannot be justified. I hope you do not give up and continue chasing them for the 10% they stole.

Why are Best Change associating themselves with shady exchanges? If it were not for Best Change you would probably not have have found the Openchange website.

I got 90% back. First post updated. I'm tired and done with this shit.

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Quote from: LoyceV on July 04, 2022, 06:34:55 AM

Quote from: LoyceV on July 04, 2022, 06:34:55 AM

I also noticed they just added ToS where they can take 10% for "high risk fund" which didn't exist few days ago (unfortunately i didn't archive it).

I noticed that 10% BS a few days ago already. I'm not sure if they quickly added it.
They're basically saying they can selectively scam 10% of any deposit.

That' weird, i remember it doesn't exist few days ago (should be July 1st). But it's definitely not exist a year ago according to the archive, https://web.archive.org/web/20210613120712/https://openchange.cash/t%D0%B5rms_of_service/

@Best_Change are you delisting them now?

I also wonder why old message disappear on https://www.bestchange.com/openchange-exchanger.html gone.

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