I hope you'll be able to continue.
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I think you're doing an excellent job. Thanks for your work
I hope you'll be able to continue.
I hope you'll be able to continue.
Buy $50 Skype credit and that will last you ages even for international calls. There are also various international calling cards/numbers you can use. Chainsaw, if the police want a uk person to speak to to help explain anything then you have my mobile number (it's in my emails) but obviously I have not been defrauded.
When you speak to the police, the important thing to remember is that it's about non delivery of goods paid for and not bitcoin. That will just confuse them. Bitcoin was just the payment method sometimes used but it's really not important to the initial investigation other than as proof of payment.
You should give the payment price in uk sterling equivalent at the time of purchase but obviously you need I say that most payments have been made using online digital currencies. Make things as easy as possible.
I have a PM from my contact with his views/info but he should post here himself if he wants rather than me reposting private messages, especially if he has bank info. He is UK based too.
This is either a long con or someone who got into debts up to his eyeballs. Either way, police involvement is required. Bitcoin is really nothing special here - this is someone who has essentially taken a lot of money and needs to deliver on promises, repay, or face the legal consequences. Whether the money or goods will be reclaimed depends upon if they are still around. Legally speaking, this may be fraud rather than theft but I can't ask lawyer friends until next week.
Chainsaw, don't wait for a lawyer. Speak to the Scottish police. Be calm and to the point. State what you paid and when, that he has disappeared and tracking numbers etc appear to be fake, and that others are in the same situ. State that between you you have personal and bank information about this person from previous dealings.
When you speak to the police, the important thing to remember is that it's about non delivery of goods paid for and not bitcoin. That will just confuse them. Bitcoin was just the payment method sometimes used but it's really not important to the initial investigation other than as proof of payment.
You should give the payment price in uk sterling equivalent at the time of purchase but obviously you need I say that most payments have been made using online digital currencies. Make things as easy as possible.
I have a PM from my contact with his views/info but he should post here himself if he wants rather than me reposting private messages, especially if he has bank info. He is UK based too.
This is either a long con or someone who got into debts up to his eyeballs. Either way, police involvement is required. Bitcoin is really nothing special here - this is someone who has essentially taken a lot of money and needs to deliver on promises, repay, or face the legal consequences. Whether the money or goods will be reclaimed depends upon if they are still around. Legally speaking, this may be fraud rather than theft but I can't ask lawyer friends until next week.
Chainsaw, don't wait for a lawyer. Speak to the Scottish police. Be calm and to the point. State what you paid and when, that he has disappeared and tracking numbers etc appear to be fake, and that others are in the same situ. State that between you you have personal and bank information about this person from previous dealings.
I spoke online with http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/report-a-fraud-including-online-crime today. She suggested I file there, as she implied this was fraud-based.
I will take pretty much all the advice you shared above, ffs. I have a few phone numbers for police contacts now, so I'll try a few of those today after getting the Skype credit and getting off work.
We have at least one physical address for shipment and some bank accounts, so presumably he will be findable.
I'm not too sure how to say this, but uhhh, I'm not sure I'm the best person to be pushing this forward. Right now all I want to do is lie down in a hole somewhere for a few weeks, or spew venom at the world.
Going forward...I'll share everything I did, once it is done. Presumably that will give others a clear path forward, to be able to stack their claims on. I would guess I'll have some contact information or a case number that I can give others via PM once things get moving forward. If I don't reply to a PM and it's been a few days, please re-send, there's a very good chance I'll miss things right now.
I'll post again when I know more. It might be a few days. (I won't be cross-posting or taking any other actions other than those that are absolutely necessary. I try to live a pretty drama free life, and already had two crises on my plate before this one got added. I have neither time nor emotional room for any additional effort other than those absolutely necessary at this point. I would encourage anyone else interested in cross-posting, or getting the word out to do so.)
A huge, huge thanks to everyone that provided me with information up to this point to help move things forward.
Recommended by whom? Projects traded coins - buying and selling equipment seems like an odd departure for him.
Are any of you UK based? Someone should speak with the authorities asap.
Are any of you UK based? Someone should speak with the authorities asap.
That was me who recommended him.
On the 23rd December, i contacted Projects to exercise a call option i had purchased from him weeks ago. After he agreed to settle the trade the next day via BT, he went on to explain that he had 4 x KnC pre orders that he would like to sell, as he owed some people money. Given that i have successfully dealt with Projects over the last 9 months, I agreed to get in touch with some people i thought may be interested, ffss being one of them.
Looks like i was used here in a particularly nasty and potentiality criminal way, and so, if someone needs recent communication between myself and Projects, let me know, while im still angry.
I have never had his phone number, but confirm the address posted in this thread is the one i have.
You will notice i left him a positive trust rating......as he paid the 4 figure sum he promised!!
Bitter sweet, indeed.
Wow Projects, what the hell have you done?
I'm in London - I can check it out. Either way, it should be added to the police report.
I bought 2 Saturn Miners from him on November 14th. I paid in 2 tranches (8+10 BTC, so 18 in total, which was ~6000 Euro):
https://blockchain.info/tx/13b1701080da92d3cbbf6af3ceffbd697bb2caa4d4edaba3ca64bf63af275164
https://blockchain.info/tx/34279de2c3bee08751e89175582e13d3d870b8e5e5b27e1dee091621ce4efc11
He sent me a tracking number (http://www.royalmail.com/track-trace -> RU059220205GB) but the package disappeared.
After discussing via email he agreed that we split the loss so he sent me back 3.88601 BTC which was 3000 Euro on December 6th.
Furthermore he promised to send me half of the insurance which he should receive for the lost package (2500 GBP / 2).
After that he offered me several miners via email, but I was not interested.
I would also like to add that I asked him for an invoice which he sent me. But I do not expect (now) that his real address is on it, it was an address in London:
David Williamson
60 Windsor Avenue
London
SW19 2RR
Edit: Added the address, hope this is not a problem since I assume it is a fake address.
https://blockchain.info/tx/13b1701080da92d3cbbf6af3ceffbd697bb2caa4d4edaba3ca64bf63af275164
https://blockchain.info/tx/34279de2c3bee08751e89175582e13d3d870b8e5e5b27e1dee091621ce4efc11
He sent me a tracking number (http://www.royalmail.com/track-trace -> RU059220205GB) but the package disappeared.
After discussing via email he agreed that we split the loss so he sent me back 3.88601 BTC which was 3000 Euro on December 6th.
Furthermore he promised to send me half of the insurance which he should receive for the lost package (2500 GBP / 2).
After that he offered me several miners via email, but I was not interested.
I would also like to add that I asked him for an invoice which he sent me. But I do not expect (now) that his real address is on it, it was an address in London:
David Williamson
60 Windsor Avenue
London
SW19 2RR
Edit: Added the address, hope this is not a problem since I assume it is a fake address.
I've sent a PM to Chainsaw with an e-mail address that Projects provided to me a couple of months ago. Hope this gets resolved, but not looking good...
You might want to cross-post in the Currency exchange subforum (he seemed most active there) or any other relevant subforum in case others have info that might help.
When you speak to the police, the important thing to remember is that it's about non delivery of goods paid for and not bitcoin. That will just confuse them. Bitcoin was just the payment method sometimes used but it's really not important to the initial investigation other than as proof of payment.
That's only true for some of us. I for one just lend him Bitcoins rather than buy HW from him.
Buy $50 Skype credit and that will last you ages even for international calls. There are also various international calling cards/numbers you can use. Chainsaw, if the police want a uk person to speak to to help explain anything then you have my mobile number (it's in my emails) but obviously I have not been defrauded.
When you speak to the police, the important thing to remember is that it's about non delivery of goods paid for and not bitcoin. That will just confuse them. Bitcoin was just the payment method sometimes used but it's really not important to the initial investigation other than as proof of payment.
You should give the payment price in uk sterling equivalent at the time of purchase but obviously you need I say that most payments have been made using online digital currencies. Make things as easy as possible.
I have a PM from my contact with his views/info but he should post here himself if he wants rather than me reposting private messages, especially if he has bank info. He is UK based too.
This is either a long con or someone who got into debts up to his eyeballs. Either way, police involvement is required. Bitcoin is really nothing special here - this is someone who has essentially taken a lot of money and needs to deliver on promises, repay, or face the legal consequences. Whether the money or goods will be reclaimed depends upon if they are still around. Legally speaking, this may be fraud rather than theft but I can't ask lawyer friends until next week.
Chainsaw, don't wait for a lawyer. Speak to the Scottish police. Be calm and to the point. State what you paid and when, that he has disappeared and tracking numbers etc appear to be fake, and that others are in the same situ. State that between you you have personal and bank information about this person from previous dealings.
When you speak to the police, the important thing to remember is that it's about non delivery of goods paid for and not bitcoin. That will just confuse them. Bitcoin was just the payment method sometimes used but it's really not important to the initial investigation other than as proof of payment.
You should give the payment price in uk sterling equivalent at the time of purchase but obviously you need I say that most payments have been made using online digital currencies. Make things as easy as possible.
I have a PM from my contact with his views/info but he should post here himself if he wants rather than me reposting private messages, especially if he has bank info. He is UK based too.
This is either a long con or someone who got into debts up to his eyeballs. Either way, police involvement is required. Bitcoin is really nothing special here - this is someone who has essentially taken a lot of money and needs to deliver on promises, repay, or face the legal consequences. Whether the money or goods will be reclaimed depends upon if they are still around. Legally speaking, this may be fraud rather than theft but I can't ask lawyer friends until next week.
Chainsaw, don't wait for a lawyer. Speak to the Scottish police. Be calm and to the point. State what you paid and when, that he has disappeared and tracking numbers etc appear to be fake, and that others are in the same situ. State that between you you have personal and bank information about this person from previous dealings.
Pmed Chainsaw with what info I have.
Sorry man, I wish you luck.
Sorry man, I wish you luck.
gingpark,
he supplied me with likely-fake tracking numbers as well. They show as having been sent on 12/10 and arriving on 12/27, and sent on 12/12 and arriving on 12/19. Obviously, neither were sent to me. I ascribed it to shipping delays or errors amidst the holiday season, and completely bought his victim story.
An update on where things stand:
Thanks to the efforts of so many on this thread, I've compiled:
-Name
-Address
-Phone number
-Bank account data used in a fraudulent transaction tying to his identity
-Two emails
-ffssixtynine has sent an initial email putting me in contact with a lawyer.
-I have the phone number for Scotland Yard.
I don't currently have a means to call internationally. KCMining sent me some calling card information, and I'll work tomorrow on getting my iPhone configured to be able to use that, then will call and at least begin that process of informing the police.
I contacted Projects at both emails, left a text on his phone number, and left a 1 minute voicemail today after signing up for some international plan that had 2 minutes included free. I let him know we are rolling forward full steam ahead at this point, and requested he return the coins.
Ideally, we would have someone that lives in the UK spearheading this. KCMining expressed a willingness to do this, but is currently stuck in the US.
Legal pursuit, foreign calls, and police interactions are all new things to me, so please bear with me. I don't hold out much hope of recovering mine or others' funds. If we engage on the legal route, I expect it would lead to either up-front fees or a significant cut of funds recovered. At this point, it is more about justice, and I remain highly interested in pursuing this matter on the legal front.
I'm open to suggestions from others, and very willing to hand off any efforts to any other motivated parties.
he supplied me with likely-fake tracking numbers as well. They show as having been sent on 12/10 and arriving on 12/27, and sent on 12/12 and arriving on 12/19. Obviously, neither were sent to me. I ascribed it to shipping delays or errors amidst the holiday season, and completely bought his victim story.
An update on where things stand:
Thanks to the efforts of so many on this thread, I've compiled:
-Name
-Address
-Phone number
-Bank account data used in a fraudulent transaction tying to his identity
-Two emails
-ffssixtynine has sent an initial email putting me in contact with a lawyer.
-I have the phone number for Scotland Yard.
I don't currently have a means to call internationally. KCMining sent me some calling card information, and I'll work tomorrow on getting my iPhone configured to be able to use that, then will call and at least begin that process of informing the police.
I contacted Projects at both emails, left a text on his phone number, and left a 1 minute voicemail today after signing up for some international plan that had 2 minutes included free. I let him know we are rolling forward full steam ahead at this point, and requested he return the coins.
Ideally, we would have someone that lives in the UK spearheading this. KCMining expressed a willingness to do this, but is currently stuck in the US.
Legal pursuit, foreign calls, and police interactions are all new things to me, so please bear with me. I don't hold out much hope of recovering mine or others' funds. If we engage on the legal route, I expect it would lead to either up-front fees or a significant cut of funds recovered. At this point, it is more about justice, and I remain highly interested in pursuing this matter on the legal front.
I'm open to suggestions from others, and very willing to hand off any efforts to any other motivated parties.
just saw this as coming back from the break and this is going pretty crazy so here is the last message I got from him.
I paid 56 BTC for 2 Juipter and 3 Saturn with 6 Modules technically making it 5 Juipter speeds got tracking numbers 3 packages Royal Mail this was on 11/20/13 , 11/23/13 , 11/26/13 posted.. I believed everything was good since he posted the last package first and said to send the coins later. In December through email was another trade 3 Juipter for 40 BTC but he paid 3 BTC since I only had 37 BTC and I said I will send the 3 BTC he lend as soon I get the package was suppose to be overnight shipping never got the package for that. The package ended up surface mail so calling Royal Mail they say they can't track it anymore and USPS has not scanned it in. I didn't think there was going to be this sort of problem but finally posting as now just wanted everything to be public. So summary so far 93 BTC as I never sent the 3 BTC since as it most of the post I also trusted his feedback for solving any problems in the past.
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Nope nothing just really stressed with the whole situation got lots of people after me none as understanding as you so I need to take a break for a while to clear my head do you have any of the other 3 btc I lent please as I could really use it
I paid 56 BTC for 2 Juipter and 3 Saturn with 6 Modules technically making it 5 Juipter speeds got tracking numbers 3 packages Royal Mail this was on 11/20/13 , 11/23/13 , 11/26/13 posted.. I believed everything was good since he posted the last package first and said to send the coins later. In December through email was another trade 3 Juipter for 40 BTC but he paid 3 BTC since I only had 37 BTC and I said I will send the 3 BTC he lend as soon I get the package was suppose to be overnight shipping never got the package for that. The package ended up surface mail so calling Royal Mail they say they can't track it anymore and USPS has not scanned it in. I didn't think there was going to be this sort of problem but finally posting as now just wanted everything to be public. So summary so far 93 BTC as I never sent the 3 BTC since as it most of the post I also trusted his feedback for solving any problems in the past.
Just found out mate. Hope you catch the bastard and he spends a good amount of time in the naughty/rape corner where he belongs. Thinking of ya mate.
wow this is all very surprising ive sold projects lots of coins in the past
If you tell me how to do it, I can send via pm the proof of the transaction.
At this point, thanks to the help of many of you, I have a name, address, and accounts used in the thefts.
As ffssixtynine mentioned, he's given me the name of a lawyer.
I'm willing to contact the police ASAP, I'm unsure of:
-Whether I should first wait to speak with the lawyer ffs has put me in touch with (I assume I should not wait), and
-Their phone number, and protocol. (I've never had to call police before in my own nation, much less in Scotland!)
If anyone cares to chime in on these subjects, or more helpfully, PM me the phone number of the Scotland police (bobbies? See - I'm gonna look like a foreigner tool talking to them!), I'd be grateful.
As ffssixtynine mentioned, he's given me the name of a lawyer.
I'm willing to contact the police ASAP, I'm unsure of:
-Whether I should first wait to speak with the lawyer ffs has put me in touch with (I assume I should not wait), and
-Their phone number, and protocol. (I've never had to call police before in my own nation, much less in Scotland!)
If anyone cares to chime in on these subjects, or more helpfully, PM me the phone number of the Scotland police (bobbies? See - I'm gonna look like a foreigner tool talking to them!), I'd be grateful.
For everyone's information: I have provided Chainsaw with all information I have (and suggest everyone does the same).
*Eyes ON*
At this point, thanks to the help of many of you, I have a name, address, and accounts used in the thefts.
As ffssixtynine mentioned, he's given me the name of a lawyer.
I'm willing to contact the police ASAP, I'm unsure of:
-Whether I should first wait to speak with the lawyer ffs has put me in touch with (I assume I should not wait), and
-Their phone number, and protocol. (I've never had to call police before in my own nation, much less in Scotland!)
If anyone cares to chime in on these subjects, or more helpfully, PM me the phone number of the Scotland police (bobbies? See - I'm gonna look like a foreigner tool talking to them!), I'd be grateful.
As ffssixtynine mentioned, he's given me the name of a lawyer.
I'm willing to contact the police ASAP, I'm unsure of:
-Whether I should first wait to speak with the lawyer ffs has put me in touch with (I assume I should not wait), and
-Their phone number, and protocol. (I've never had to call police before in my own nation, much less in Scotland!)
If anyone cares to chime in on these subjects, or more helpfully, PM me the phone number of the Scotland police (bobbies? See - I'm gonna look like a foreigner tool talking to them!), I'd be grateful.
I would call Police Scotland on +44 131 311 3131. A) They are based in Edinburgh and b) It's their centralised police force. They will be able to direct you appropriately even if they can't help.
At this point, thanks to the help of many of you, I have a name, address, and accounts used in the thefts.
As ffssixtynine mentioned, he's given me the name of a lawyer.
I'm willing to contact the police ASAP, I'm unsure of:
-Whether I should first wait to speak with the lawyer ffs has put me in touch with (I assume I should not wait), and
-Their phone number, and protocol. (I've never had to call police before in my own nation, much less in Scotland!)
If anyone cares to chime in on these subjects, or more helpfully, PM me the phone number of the Scotland police (bobbies? See - I'm gonna look like a foreigner tool talking to them!), I'd be grateful.
As ffssixtynine mentioned, he's given me the name of a lawyer.
I'm willing to contact the police ASAP, I'm unsure of:
-Whether I should first wait to speak with the lawyer ffs has put me in touch with (I assume I should not wait), and
-Their phone number, and protocol. (I've never had to call police before in my own nation, much less in Scotland!)
If anyone cares to chime in on these subjects, or more helpfully, PM me the phone number of the Scotland police (bobbies? See - I'm gonna look like a foreigner tool talking to them!), I'd be grateful.
Recommended by whom? Projects traded coins - buying and selling equipment seems like an odd departure for him.
Are any of you UK based? Someone should speak with the authorities asap.
Are any of you UK based? Someone should speak with the authorities asap.
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