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legendary
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Yes, I'm an asshole
I would like to talk about Trustpilot reviews.
[..]
Looks like they are buying fake reviews, and using their high TrustPilot score as a marketing tool.

That's because TrustPilot is not exactly a pilot of trust --yeah, lame pun, I know-- in a sense that you need to take them with a teaspoon of salt. They have a paid membership where the paying companies can utilize several "marketing tools" to "tweak" their ratings and revoke reviews, not to mention --as you said-- incentivizing user to leave fake reviews.

Read more:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Scams/comments/6p82me/is_trustpilot_trustworthy/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Scams/comments/s340rf/can_trustpilot_be_trusted/
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-7549909/Can-trust-Trustpilots-reviews-firms-dont-pay-it.html

Going back to your case that's being discussed --and that I've been following-- on AG, though, I think you forgot to attach a screenshot or something that you intended to give to show that you've submitted your KYC.
copper member
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I would like to talk about Trustpilot reviews.

(This picture is from their homepage)

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/trustdice.win
How does Trust Dice have 1793 reviews on Trustpilot? They got their first review back in 2020 march, and since then they been getting 1.76 reviews per day? Thats laughable, they are getting more reviews than the biggest Casinos in the world like Bet365.

Sportsbet.io - 194 reviews
Roobet - 891 reviews
Bitsler - 216 reviews

Now the funniest thing, all the fake 5 star reviews came from people who somehow live in the US.



Looks like they are buying fake reviews, and using their high TrustPilot score as a marketing tool.


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Going back to your case that's being discussed --and that I've been following-- on AG, though, I think you forgot to attach a screenshot or something that you intended to give to show that you've submitted your KYC.
Looks like they found my email
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We confirm that we have just received the user's KYC documents, and will look into it. If there is any internal miscommunication, we full-heartedly apologize.

Best regards,
TrustDice Team
legendary
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Yes, I have, and although I wanted to comment on one or two things that I found on their replies, I saw that Pmalek is already present there. They're more than capable to help us see the outcome of your case, which is why I refrained from commenting there.
I just noticed you mentioned me here. Always feel free to share your thoughts. 4 eyes are better than 2. One person can see something the others don't. I haven't looked at Poika5's case. It's really time-consuming reading and trying to concentrate on all these different threads at the same time. And I see this one is already 3 pages long. Maybe I will get to it later. Judging from the few posts I have read from Poika5 in Laki21000's scam accusation thread, he seems to know what he is talking about and might be able to work out a satisfactory solution if he keeps that up.       
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OP, how long has it been since you contacted and submitted your situation to AskGambler? 5 days? 6? Have you got any reply from them? I can't see your case has been escalated and displayed on their page, I thought on previous email they said it's about 48-96 hours?

Did your case got dismissed or something like with CasinoGuru? Can you please update if you had any further communication with their representative?
Sorry, it took a little more time than expected.
https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/trustdice-casino-account-banned-and-money-confiscated

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and to have an official professional representative of a professional platform easily misunderstood the real meaning of this very simple statement, it'll be quite legit for OP to further questioning your trustworthiness... IMO.
Honestly at this point I dont even know if they are scammers or the most incompetent casino in the world.
legendary
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Yes, I'm an asshole
Or every other threads, they're handled in similar fashion where --as said above-- you asked for their account details and then informing us why'd they got banned. So why is this case different?

We did not treat this one differently from the other cases. Most of the other cases completed the KYC before they found this forum so the biggest difference is that the OP here never finished the KYC. OP's refusal to KYC prevents us from concluding whether or not this was abuse, and from fully examining how the abuse was done. As the OP continues to make excuses to avoid KYC, we suspect the real reason is not what he said it was. It could be a deliberate smart move.

We have seen abusers buying fake KYC or paid KYC and it takes time to find the right KYC vendor. And when that's needed, buying time could be necessary.

Sorry that I have to not spend more hours on this single thread. We look forward to resolving our differences on AskGambler, as 2 sides both agreed.

Thank you and we will remain committed to open, transparent and meaningful communication with the Bitcointalk community.

TrustDice Team


I'll quote myself for reference of my insight on OP's offer for KYC at the very beginning of the issue --i.e. during live chat with your agent--,

[...]
I'm not saying OP is right and you're scamming them, there's even a possibility that they're a multi-acc abuser and the KYC they offered is a bluff, or fake ones. [...]

by it, I mean as in OP actually didn't want to do KYC, so they did a reverse psychology where they offered it in hope that your team will said it isn't necessary, or if your team agreed on the offer, they already had a fake KYC prepared.

But for that very same reason I can't agree on the rest of your post about they're trying to buy time by procuring reasons to refuse KYC. I'd like to point out that they offered to perform KYC again, which you failed to address and lead to the situation where it further strengthen OP's doubt of your platform's trustworthiness and ultimately reluctant to perform KYC.

Hello Poika5,

I learned from our Compliance team that a KYC request has been sent to you. Please kindly complete the KYC procedure via email ASAP.

Thank you
TrustDice Team
1. The reason for my ban / Or A public apology from Trustdice representative.
2. Will you unban me if i finish the KYC?

Please kindly answer ASAP.


Suppose that the scenario is true where OP tried a fake KYC, if they didn't have fake KYC ready for disposal and tried to buy time, they won't try offering it right away the second time. It is quite logical to assume that they offered because they had it ready. By this basis, the idea that they tried to buy time to look for fake KYC can somewhat be eliminated.

And since we're considering a scenario where OP faked a KYC or tried to buy time, it'll only be fair if we also consider a scenario where you tried to grasping at straws by asking for KYC and will later on claimed it's fake1, thus OP account would be frozen for that reason. I'd like to point out from the neighboring thread a very nice example where you seems to try to... jump at slightest possible "straw" when the chance offered itself,

Hello everyone,

As OP has publicly admitted, he placed bets after the game ends when the outcome of the game becomes available.
Yes, I placed this bet at the end of the match

[...]

let's admit, it is not that difficult to conclude that the OP of that thread had a language barrier and tried to say something that had a different meaning, especially as they've mentioned their mothertongue is not English on their opening post --by the way, Laki21000, this is one of what I wanted to comment that I referred on my previous post-- and to have an official professional representative of a professional platform easily misunderstood the real meaning of this very simple statement, it'll be quite legit for OP to further questioning your trustworthiness... IMO.



OP, how long has it been since you contacted and submitted your situation to AskGambler? 5 days? 6? Have you got any reply from them? I can't see your case has been escalated and displayed on their page, I thought on previous email they said it's about 48-96 hours?

Did your case got dismissed or something like with CasinoGuru? Can you please update if you had any further communication with their representative?



Edit: to respond OP's reply below and add context to my paragraph above, I can see them now, it's recently posted and wasn't there a couple hours ago when I checked their page.

1Note that it is not an unlikely scenario, in a recent case I am attending --that I wont mention which-- a platform counter-accused a fake KYC amongst other things although the originality and legitimacy of the documents can be verified by CasinoGuru.
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TrustDice Official Rep
Or every other threads, they're handled in similar fashion where --as said above-- you asked for their account details and then informing us why'd they got banned. So why is this case different?

We did not treat this one differently from the other cases. Most of the other cases completed the KYC before they found this forum so the biggest difference is that the OP here never finished the KYC. OP's refusal to KYC prevents us from concluding whether or not this was abuse, and from fully examining how the abuse was done. As the OP continues to make excuses to avoid KYC, we suspect the real reason is not what he said it was. It could be a deliberate smart move.

We have seen abusers buying fake KYC or paid KYC and it takes time to find the right KYC vendor. And when that's needed, buying time could be necessary.

Sorry that I have to not spend more hours on this single thread. We look forward to resolving our differences on AskGambler, as 2 sides both agreed.

Thank you and we will remain committed to open, transparent and meaningful communication with the Bitcointalk community.

TrustDice Team
legendary
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Yes, I'm an asshole
No problem, I understand you, but how would you behave when you get scammed for ~2100$? without reasons and strong evidence, if you read all the branches, two topics, then you will not see something good that coinbox1 would write to doubt my words. You know, it's not every day that I get scammed for ~$2100 Grin Grin

Yes, I have, and although I wanted to comment on one or two things that I found on their replies, I saw that Pmalek is already present there. They're more than capable to help us see the outcome of your case, which is why I refrained from commenting there. Me being there seems... redundant. But maybe if your case is not solved when OP's cleared, I'll participate. Rest assured that I'm still keeping myself updated on your topic.
jr. member
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Didn't mean to be rude, but maybe you both want to dial it down a little on commenting on each others thread? Although your way-too-frequent exchange of comments is the reason that pushed me into curiosity and to look into Laki21000's thread and ultimately brings me to look for each cases against Trustdice, it's still... too much and borderline spamming the accusation board, IMO. Just try to dial it down a little if you two don't mind, ok?

No problem, I understand you, but how would you behave when you get scammed for ~2100$? without reasons and strong evidence, if you read all the branches, two topics, then you will not see something good that coinbox1 would write to doubt my words. You know, it's not every day that I get scammed for ~$2100 Grin Grin
legendary
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Yes, I'm an asshole
Coinbox1, a simple curiosity. So I was looking at other accusation threads addressed to you that you managed to solve on this forum, where most are proven to be a false accusation made by multi-acc abuser. On every single one of those cases though, you asked them their username so you can consult it to your database and informed them --and the forum-- of the basis for their account freezing, like this one

Hello everyone,

We discussed with our Risk Management team who have banned the OP's account due to his violation of T&C 18.1:
[...]

Simply put, we notice that the OP has been practicing "late bets strategy", [...]

Or this,

Hello everyone,

The OP replied directly to us with his account information and we reviewed the case.

After discussing with our Risk Management team, we determined, with overwhelming evidence, that OP was abusing our $25 Welcome Bonus through duplicate accounts, and matched the abuse pattern of other confirmed abusing accounts.
[...]

Or every other threads, they're handled in similar fashion where --as said above-- you asked for their account details and then informing us why'd they got banned. So why is this case different? Instead of informing us about the suspicious behavior they're being suspected for, you instead directly asking for KYC before you'll share any further info and insist on it that I practically had to "beg" for you to meet in the middle

Hello Poika5,

I learned from our Compliance team that a KYC request has been sent to you. Please kindly complete the KYC procedure via email ASAP.

Thank you
TrustDice Team

True, that you finally and ultimately gave in and sticked to your old procedure by informing us the reason behind OP's case, I just can't help but being curious why OP's case is treated differently.







Didn't mean to be rude, but maybe you both want to dial it down a little on commenting on each others thread? Although your way-too-frequent exchange of comments is the reason that pushed me into curiosity and to look into Laki21000's thread and ultimately brings me to look for each cases against Trustdice, it's still... too much and borderline spamming the accusation board, IMO. Just try to dial it down a little if you two don't mind, ok?
jr. member
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As for OP, here's your accusation, hope it's helpful for you to get through this. Interestingly though, I found one thing that's a bit incoherent from your side. I thought you said on the opening post that you are not playing esport?
I meant that i bet on Esports, but im not involved/play in esports league. Just like i bet on NBA, but i dont play in the NBA.

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* We determine that you are using TrustDice.win in a manner that gives you an unfair advantage, for example making bets on insight or professional knowledge about a sport gained via personal involvement or participation in the particular field of sport/esport

It's good that you noted that you are not a member of the NBA and eSports, @coinbox1 would have already rubbed his hands to accuse you of breaking the rules and treat you to the fact that you are a professional NBA basketball player Grin Grin
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As for OP, here's your accusation, hope it's helpful for you to get through this. Interestingly though, I found one thing that's a bit incoherent from your side. I thought you said on the opening post that you are not playing esport?
I meant that i bet on Esports, but im not involved/play in esports league. Just like i bet on NBA, but i dont play in the NBA.

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* We determine that you are using TrustDice.win in a manner that gives you an unfair advantage, for example making bets on insight or professional knowledge about a sport gained via personal involvement or participation in the particular field of sport/esport
legendary
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Hi holydarkness,

I mean absolutely no disrespect, but I am afraid we have to refute some false accusation here, which I am sure you did not do deliberately.

[...]

So let me expand on what I already have said (The details are not mentioned to avoid jeopardizing our anti-abuse detection system) :
We found OP's account had been acting in a manner that's impossible for an ordinary human player and its various signals shall be considered abnormalities for an ordinary human player. And all of such data have been well documented.

Hope this helps.

Thank you.
TrustDice Team

Yes, that's actually helpful, and I'm thanking you for your willingness to meet at the middle, it's a very good start and as you can see, starting from this post of yours forward, we can actually start looking for the truth instead going for a wild goose chase.

As for OP, here's your accusation, hope it's helpful for you to get through this. Interestingly though, I found one thing that's a bit incoherent from your side. I thought you said on the opening post that you are not playing esport?

[...]
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* We determine that you are using TrustDice.win in a manner that gives you an unfair advantage, for example making bets on insight or professional knowledge about a sport gained via personal involvement or participation in the particular field of sport/esport
No, i dont play in the NBA(unfortunately), i dont play in any esports league either.
[...]

Coinbox1, i have a theory:

Did your Provider tell Trustdice that i was completely banned from placing any Esport bets? When i tried to place a bet it said 'Please contact the support'.
If you check my support chat history(27. September) you should see that i asked the support about it.

[...]

I think by 'impossible bets' you meant small rejected bets? These bets are the result of your Providers block/limit.



I hope im right.
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We found OP's account had been acting in a manner that's impossible for an ordinary human player and its various signals shall be considered abnormalities for an ordinary human player. And all of such data have been well documented.
Coinbox1, i have a theory:

Did your Provider tell Trustdice that i was completely banned from placing any Esport bets? When i tried to place a bet it said 'Please contact the support'.
If you check my support chat history(27. September) you should see that i asked the support about it.

I have the same Esports block in Duelbits(Same Provider)


I think by 'impossible bets' you meant small rejected bets? These bets are the result of your Providers block/limit.



I hope im right.
jr. member
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Excellent. We are glad that you finally submitted a ticket on AskGamblers. So we look forward to resolving our differences there.


Thank you and wish you a great day further.
TrustDice Team

Why are you totally ignoring me? And it's like I don't even exist.
Scammers tend to ignore their victims.


I already understood this, it is not surprising that they behave this way.
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Excellent. We are glad that you finally submitted a ticket on AskGamblers. So we look forward to resolving our differences there.


Thank you and wish you a great day further.
TrustDice Team

Why are you totally ignoring me? And it's like I don't even exist.
Scammers tend to ignore their victims.
jr. member
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Excellent. We are glad that you finally submitted a ticket on AskGamblers. So we look forward to resolving our differences there.


Thank you and wish you a great day further.
TrustDice Team

Why are you totally ignoring me? And it's like I don't even exist.
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Excellent. We are glad that you finally submitted a ticket on AskGamblers. So we look forward to resolving our differences there.


Thank you and wish you a great day further.
TrustDice Team
jr. member
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And to Poika5,


It has been 4 days since you first claimed to file complaints on AskGamblers and CasinoGuru, and you have brought up the subject numerous times in this thread, despite not actually doing it.
meanwhile i will finish my Askgambler&CasinoGurus complaints.
Good to know, i started a complaint(Askgamblers). Hopefully Trustdice will respect Askgamblers decision/judgement.

We in fact look forward to resolve our differences through a third-party arbitrator because it will allow us to confirm or deny our suspicions.

In another thread, you are encouraging another user to do, while you stay idle.

Anyone reading this case might wonder why you still haven't filed a complaint, 4 days after you first discussed it. Is there something you are trying to hide? Is there something you really don't want the arbitrator to see? Or that you are aware, given the evidence documented from your account, an arbitrator will almost certainly support our position?

Anyone reading this case might wonder why you are more interested in arguing here than doing what is supposed to be more beneficial to you? If you did nothing wrong and have nothing to hide, it really would be of your best interest to seek intervention of reputation arbitrators e.g. AskGamblers and CasinoGuru because they will likely support you, as you already implied.

We, along with anyone reading this case, are very confused.


TrustDice Team
Very cute, but CasinoGuru didnt accept my complaint(Sportsbetting):
https://i.imgur.com/wrnbJvN.png

And my Askgambler complaint is still pending:
https://i.imgur.com/wXbP94W.png




I also have.
https://imgur.com/a/S9oGav0
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So let me expand on what I already have said (The details are not mentioned to avoid jeopardizing our anti-abuse detection system) :
We found OP's account had been acting in a manner that's impossible for an ordinary human player and its various signals shall be considered abnormalities for an ordinary human player. And all of such data have been well documented.
Are you implying that i used a bot? Does Trustdice think i used a bot to place 33 bets in 82 days?



Actually im very flattered, this is an amazing compliment for any sportsbettor. Thanks
"impossible for an ordinary human player"
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And to Poika5,


It has been 4 days since you first claimed to file complaints on AskGamblers and CasinoGuru, and you have brought up the subject numerous times in this thread, despite not actually doing it.
meanwhile i will finish my Askgambler&CasinoGurus complaints.
Good to know, i started a complaint(Askgamblers). Hopefully Trustdice will respect Askgamblers decision/judgement.

We in fact look forward to resolve our differences through a third-party arbitrator because it will allow us to confirm or deny our suspicions.

In another thread, you are encouraging another user to do, while you stay idle.

Anyone reading this case might wonder why you still haven't filed a complaint, 4 days after you first discussed it. Is there something you are trying to hide? Is there something you really don't want the arbitrator to see? Or that you are aware, given the evidence documented from your account, an arbitrator will almost certainly support our position?

Anyone reading this case might wonder why you are more interested in arguing here than doing what is supposed to be more beneficial to you? If you did nothing wrong and have nothing to hide, it really would be of your best interest to seek intervention of reputation arbitrators e.g. AskGamblers and CasinoGuru because they will likely support you, as you already implied.

We, along with anyone reading this case, are very confused.


TrustDice Team
Very cute, but CasinoGuru didnt accept my complaint(Sportsbetting):


And my Askgambler complaint is still pending:



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