Topic: Scammer/Impersonator hip3r/bizoxi/elmanchez - page 2. (Read 978 times)

Since the whole conversation took place on telegram, it is quite hard to find evidence without looking at the chat log.
But elmanchez himself confirmed, that this was his account:

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IMO it is more than just suspicious, that

• He was involved in the linked scam by sending an address he does not possess to some random person
• He suggested hip3r to register on this forum to have another channel for his (hip3r's) business. They allegedly met on another crypto forum. But afterwards hip3r refers OP to elmanchez. This doesn't make sense
• He lied about previous deals with hip3r by claiming they already made deals. hip3r on the other hand was denying that.
• He contacted Lucius via PM and asked him whether he wants to trade PP for BTC, without them both ever having deal nor Lucius asking for such a deal somewhere

While there is no evidence that he intentionally scammed the other person in the linked thread, and no evidence that he indeed tried to scam OP, the are enough signs to assume that he indeed actively tries to scam others.
The same applies to all these new ponzis. There is no concrete evidence, that they are not paying 100% daily. But there are enough signs to believe that this is a scam.

If there were some unassailable evidence, both a type #1 and type #3 flag would be appropriate. However, i agree with you that this is not the case here.

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I'd even go farther and would say to not use telegram at all.
Deleting message from the other parties chatlog is retarded.

There are better messengers available.
Either Signal (which uses old ID's in from of a mobile number), that's probably not what people want to use on the internet or Threema (which costs a few bucks), which people are not ready to pay because they are extremely cheap and don't want to spend 2-3$ for a secure communication application.

The PM embedded:


If this PM is real, the following post (2 days earlier) is not (or no longer) true:
(archived)

Note: In general, I don't trust screenshots, and I'm ignoring the Telegram screenshots because anyone can say they're someone else on there.
As I said in another topic: by using Telegram, you make it very easy for scammers and very difficult for anyone to ever find out who's trying to cheat. Most of this stuff can be discussed in a public topic on the Currency exchange board.
The "evidence" in this topic is terrible to review. It's a mess! Now compare that to http://loyce.club/archive/details/topic_5252054.html and please just keep deals in the open when possible!

Apart from who's trying to impersonate who, I don't think DireWolfM14 gets any blame here. He's not even the one calling someone their "friend".

I've seen him do quite a lot of deals, which increases the chance of hitting a scammer.

After reading the first 30 posts in this topic (while ignoring Telegram screenshots), I still haven't seen any convincing evidence.

Telegram is a scammer's paradise because it allows to delete the other user's conversation, you can change your nickname, and I've seen people get tricked by hiding the nickname and using someone else's nickname as "bio". Telegram is great if you know who you're dealing with, but anyone can claim they own a certain Bitcointalk account. If someone for instance claims he's me, it's pretty likely it's someone else.

That's a very good point, and it would solve the problem of very large and unclear accusation threads on Bitcointalk.

Another good point! Since he said he would refund this user (even though it hasn't happened yet), he might have painted mark on his account for other scammers to target.
All this is of course speculation. But I agree with you: I can hardly feel sorry for someone who ignores and even denies the many scams on Telegram.

The main warning should be: don't use Telegram for users you don't know!

There are already such impersonating and scamming attempts reported under Monbux's identity, with similar fake emails.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/new-scam-through-escrow-services-5110916

The telegram users from above screenshots was surely not monbux.

The first thing i'd like to know is whether the signature is valid.

Monbux was last active May 14, 2020, 01:41:32 PM.

I doubt this mail is from him.
Could you please forward this email to [email protected] ? I want to check the mail header (whether the address is spoofed) and the PGP signature.

Sure, firstly, not sure which is the person you are talking last few days, but you were blocked by me back in 26th.
If that's some some 11iq attempt from elmanchez to save his name after the scam attempts, could you please show us where and how this exact telegram chat after 26th is mine?
Please, share with us Private message from me confirming you are talking with me on telegram after 26th or anywhere (not in telegram) this is connected with me.
Yes, i had conversation with you till 26th, after you tried to scam me with your russian gaylord friend, both of you were blocked.
Can't wait for your answer, i swear i won't eat all my pop corns before that.

Quick edit: Could you please tell us also why you edit your telegram name from your topic right after the failed scam attempt with your russian girlfriend ?

Hello. I apologize for my English writing through google translate. Yesterday evening, the circus performed by Boombl4 ended. In order to put everything in order, time is needed. Another point, I don’t know English and it will take some time to find a translator and translation too. I decided to post a light version. These are screenshots with a few explanations.

Friday June 26th, evening with me. Boombl4 knocked on my telegram, I wrote him a private message on the forum. Moderators can check.
http://prnt.sc/t8s84c

June 27, I have the night. Yes, I was not mistaken.) After accusing me of fraud and scribble on the forum, Boombl4 is still negotiating an exchange with me. Boombl4 sent an email to escrow (monbux) and gave it my email. I do not mind because I have no doubt in deceiving Boombl4 and want to sleep.
http://prnt.sc/t8s9ea

June 28, morning with me. I receive a letter from escrow. Thanks Google. Your mail is the best.
http://prnt.sc/t8s9xq
http://prnt.sc/t8safr

June 28, day after evening with me. As they say "No comment"
http://prnt.sc/t8scmj
http://prnt.sc/t8scw9
http://prnt.sc/t8sd39
http://prnt.sc/t8sdda
http://prnt.sc/t8sdkw
http://prnt.sc/t8sdvp
http://prnt.sc/t8sepg
http://prnt.sc/t8sfer

I repeat this light version will be full later.

And two more points
1. I am ready for three users, whose reputation no one doubts, to provide screenshots of some of their transactions in recent times.

2. I live in Minsk. Perhaps on this forum there are people with a reputation from my city or country. Maybe someone happens in Minsk. I am ready to meet in person and show that I am really engaged in an exchange.

Boombl4 can you do the same !???

I didn't do that post someone to feel sorry about me.
I did this post to warm the community about those scammers and give them information what they are doing.
We both know that scam section is not moderated and no one actually care about anyone loss but at least there is tags from DT members to warn other people.
If you feel that those scammers are welcome to run around doing whatever they want, feel free to not tag them
Yeah, all those proofs above clearly show how we all trying to scam elmanchez *sarcasm*

Can hardly feel sorry for someone who refuses to listen to advice about the dangers of doing business on telegram..
Go on ahead and get scammed again..


For all I know you are both/all parties trying to scam elmanchez out of a guilt trip refund..

Awesome, now lets not talk about what butterfly's can and cannot do and lets clean our place from people like those from the topic...

Screenshots can always be faked.



If person A sends person B a private message and deletes it afterwards, the message still remains in the inbox of the recipient (just like with emails).
When you report a PM to a moderator, he will see its content.

So, yes. A moderator can verify PM's.

So you trying to tell me that screenshots from telegram could be fake, but screenshots from PMs cannot be fake ?
I mean if you delete your PM's or the scammer deletes it, mod can verify it ?
What fake conversations what names dude ? We are talking about proven failed scammers here, how does your conspiracy theory is connected with the scam report ?

1. Your screenshots from telegram could be completely fake..

2. Bitcointalk PMs do not get deleted on both ends like telegram.. Bitcointalk PMs can also be verified by mods or another trusted user.. On telegram you can make any name you want and fake an entire conversation.. Not here..

Personally as someone with brain, if i see the things going wrong by anyway, i take my time to screenshot the entire conversation before it continues to go more weird and nonsense.
Everyone  making large to big deals should have that in mind.
Actually when you delete your private messages, i am not pretty sure they are recorded anywhere... And if they are after being deleted, that's scary.
There is no difference on private message "security" and telegram "security" because in both ways, the scammers can get away with the same it depends on their skills.
We share different opinions which is normal.
You can't point "Telegram", "Messanger" or any app for communication as den of scammers.
There is tons of reports daily here in the forum and we do not call it that way either.
Scammers are everywhere and not  a private message, telegram chat or meeting can save you from them.

Point noted. The way you way you provide screenshot of evidence is a bit not easy to understand your point. You should put the whole conversation and just censored the words you didn't want to show.

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Based on this statement
You can arrange the transaction on telegram first which I always do too and finished it inside the forum. Just make sure that both sides agreed to the terms you setup so that only the escrow will act upon inside the forum to closed the deal. In that way, there's no risk that impersonators will scam both of you.

It's a good call for you to decline the deal if you feel really uncomfortable about it. I'm not telling that they are scammer but it's the right choice if you have doubt.

Becuse here their are records of proof of the conversation that your trading partner cannot delete or tamper with here on Bitcointalk.. On telegram either person can delete all of their messages at any time from both partie's chat screens..
Bitcointalk forum records are very highly trusted, provable, and automatically archived.. Telegram is not..


If you think telegram is just as good of a place to do business then why aren't you taking this to the telegram scam accusations board but instead are bringing it here?

If it didn't happen here often times their isn't much that can be done about it here..
Scammers can get away with a lot more on telegram than here.. That's why it's packed full of scammers and people get scammed there all the time and nothing can be done about it..

I am not using any 3rd party app for sure, actually, if you check most of my posts, you will see i suggest people to use forum escrows.
And why would i not offer anyone to send me money first if he wants to? Is that crime or something bad? Or i am not allowed to handle trades by my self if the other party have no problem with it?
My point is not only that he wants to use his "bro" which as we can see he is not even close to his "bro" but the way that the guy lied and manipulated.
In first place he invites friend of him to be escrow, and then telling that he have done previous deals with that newbie.
After that, if you see the screenshots the newbie confirm that he never had deals with this person, and Wolf come in this topic saying he only had chat with this guy and they are not "bro's" for sure (from what i get).

DireWolf's name was removed from the topic as you can see because from everything we collected as evidence so far, it can be seen that elmanchez were "cleaning" his hands with Wolf and lying about deals in the past with the newbie.
Dealing in the forum and outside the forum is just the same if you deal with someone honest and not a scammer.
Scam reports are not moderated and even if you get scammed in forum with proofs or outside forum with proofs it is the same.
It is absurd to communicate and try to deal with newbie in the forum because of the restrictions for private messages per day/hour and so.
Everyone around using Telegram and that's not secret or something bad.
We all do need faster communication.
I am not sure why everyone around think that dealing inside the forum via private messages is more safe than dealing with the same person outside forum (telegram,skype,messanger or any chat program).

As you can see, no one cares about failed scam attempts from green trusted member, no matter is it off or on-site.
Those failed attempts are obvious.. Or i should wait him to scam me before i post this ?

I'm kinda interested on what escrow type you are explaining here https://prnt.sc/t7f28w? Is this some kind of a 3rd party app? It seems that you are insisting to used the escrow that you preferred and you even suggest to send BTC/USDT to you first.

I understand your point on accusing that he was scam because he called the escrow his "Bro" which even I will be  worry because they might set you up and you have any idea who the escrow is. But I believe Elmanchez said that to explain the "FREE" escrow fee that he offers to you earlier in your conversation.

DirewolfM14 has a loan business here (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/direwolfm14s-bitcoin-lending-service-btc-loans-5132594) in the forum and invested money more than the amount you are dealing. So there is no way he will scam you if ever the deal was made inside the forum.

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The proof that he attempt to scam you is not that strong. You are just upset because the deal didn't go through in your preferred way of doing escrow and you easily jump into conclusion without checking the escrow he was referring because he called it "Bro".

PS: It will be really helpful if you can provide my request about your preferred escrow service.

I know scams are not moderated but by ethical view point why no one tagging those scammres ?
Elmanchez and hip3r ?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hip3r-2822222

@elmanchez is a scammer
I have wrote in another Scam Accusation Thread against him https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54665537

@elmanchez's Email has been Changed recently.
I don't know why other Green Trust members still defend or showing trust on him

I believe there is nothing wrong with telegram because 99% of people using it here for fast communication.
The problems are actually different here based on the situation and the provided screenshot proofs.
A newbie claim for exchange, then comes elmanchez who work with him obviously covering his ass with Wolf as escrow.
In other place, elmanchez changed his telegram name week ago claiming he's not using telegram anymore but contacting me from some telegram without verifying, but thanks god in this thread he verified that he's the one contacted me.
In other hand, the newbie said he never dealt with this person as elmanchez claim because i caught their scheme.
It is obvious that elmanchez is trying to cover his ass with newbie account somehow and involving Wolf name as his "bro" to cover escrow services.
The only thing that elmanchez was going to lose if i didn't catch them was the newbie account which no one give a fuck about.
That kind of behavior should be punished and he should be tagged for suspicious activity and two failed scam attempts for the last month.

Not in last place, he's abusing the trust system placing false and fake negative feedback on my profile and also bring his other alts to do the same because i caught them.
If i were wrong and there is nothing like that, he would never do that and also use his alts to abuse the trust system and place fake negative feedbacks.