Topic: Scammer/Impersonator hip3r/bizoxi/elmanchez - page 4. (Read 978 times)

And still my point holds.. you can not impersonate someone via PM on this forum.

Just because some people get tricked by that, doesn't mean that you can impersonate one like that.
People get tricked through more stupid ways. Sending an email claiming to be X has already tricked people.

If you use your common sense, you won't get tricked that way. So.. using an escrow on this forum communicated via PM is safe.




Did you ever consider that someone might actually trust an escrow and/or already have worked with a specific escrow?
Your statements are contradictory.




If you fall for an impersonated escrow (e.g. via telegram), its your fault.

The point is, you can't know whether he actually wanted to scam you.
If you would have made sure that the person indeed is elmanchez and was trying to scam you (e.g. by impersonating an escrow via telegram), he would have been given a neg tag to avoid any further scams.

But you didn't. Instead, you created this thread with zero purpose. There is no proof that elmanchez is involved in this.

Please, use the forum to research how people were scammed by forwarded messages in the past.
There is no way to spoof a message but trick a newbie with forwarded one.
I already included how do i know they are friends. He simply called him  "bro".
And no one will call random person like that but only friend of him or someone he trust or work with.
Dude, the world and the forum is not doing circle around you. You will be noted only when you defense proven scammers.
The fact is that impersonator offered me to use an escrow which will be also impersonated.
And you expect me to agree and not refuse to that ? Dude, i am not born yesterday, i know what those kids are doing..
Why would i waste time purpose anything to someone who i already exposed as impersonator/scammer ?
Or you expect people to waste time with scammers like you do?
If you catch someone doing that would you really waste your time with that scammer?
If you don't respect your time, i do respect mine and i have better things to do than doing long conversations with fraudsters.
After exposed i don't need to share even 1 second more with that idiot.

I don't get your point.
If i am communicating with X via PM, there is no way to spoof these PM's. What are you trying to say?




So why don't you then include how you know that they are indeed friends?




I don't care what others are doing.

If you receive a PM here giving you a telegram id, there is a connection between the forum account and telegram.
If you however communicate with a random stranger on telegram, he then gives you a different telegram id, you obviously can't know who this is.

Use your common sense.




So.. which questions are you referring to?
Whether or not you proposed a different escrow? (You still didn't answer that question btw).




Oh no, please. I am scared. Do not expose by bitcointalk mafia circle.
I see it coming.. the next time a newbie is messaging you on telegram trying to scam you mentioning my name, i will be the accused one. I got it.

Really? Then how 12312 scams were made on this forum by forwarding messages from the real persons ? Thru PM.
You continue to post your non senses trying to defend the scammers If you are from their circle, don't worry, the others will also catch you.
And i want from "bro" to "friend" because that's what friends are calling each others
People ALL THE TIME doing EVERYTHING thru Telegram.
In the hardware section many many trusted sellers such as offordscot and many many others doing their deals thru telegram.
In currency exchange also many many sellers and buyers such as gameristo and many others doing their deals thru telegram.
Since you start acting like the impersonator with the same questions, i will start to think that you are the impersonator and not the elmanchez.
You asking the same questions as the impersonator like you are using the forum for very first time and playing dumb
Please, keep posting so i can make the proper connections proof based that you are in that scamming circle.

I am not afraid to expose impersonators and scammers and i do not care are they trusted, legendary or any ranks.
All scammers should be treated as scammers.

He offered to use an reputable escrow.
BTW, when did we go from "bro" to "friend"



The escrow can not be impersonated if you make your deal via PM on this forum.
If you however, would theoretically be stupid enough to do everything via telegram, that's a different story. But i don't expect anyone to be that stupid.

The impersonator offered to use his friend as "escrow".
Yes i denied to use fake friend escrow from fake impersonator :D:D:D
You are not denying that someone is trying to scam me, but you trying to twist my words
It is obvious that someone impersonated here and the impersonator or the real person i don't care what's the case, wanted to use his "bro" as escrow.
You should have at least above 100 IQ to realize that either the person who offered the escrow is impersonator, or the "escrow" will be impersonated or both are just simply impersonators..

Even if he is not impersonator, i was never ethical or being accepted around to use your friends as escrow pal... No matter how trusted they are, they will always defends his friends in the end

He offered to use a reputable member as an escrow. You declined. Did you propose another escrow? What was their reply?


The fact is that a reputable member has been proposed as an escrow.
Whether he once said that the user is a "nice guy" is irrelevant.

Your definition of "friend" is a bit loose.


However, i am not denying that someone was trying to scam you.
Very well imaginable that it indeed was elmanchez. Check this thread out.

But i am confident that if you were to accept DireWolfM14 as an escrow, you wouldn't get scammed.

- Another alt of hip3r with proof added to the topic.

Please, don't post anything that isn't in-topic.
You should be friend of the scammers if you are trying to defend them.
I never said that it is bad the escrow to be a nice guy I said that it is bad to impersonate someone or use your friend as escrow no matter he's an angel, nice guy or a shemale.
Using your friends as escrow is always red flag.
Same as impersonating people if he is not the real guy and they are playing all "dumb"

If i don't trust escrow here i shouldn't making any deals on the forum ? Moron, i requested escrow and he offers me his friend are you stupid ?
Where you see me refusing escrow? And please, do not tell me how to do my things around, i am pretty familiar which escrows are trusted and which not.
And for sure impersonators, and people who offer their friends as escrows are not in my trust view for sure.
Do not tell me in my topic what i should assume or not please.
There is the facts and everyone have brain.
If you don't sit tight and watch the show.
I am saying that either this newbie is pulling an impersonating scam, or more people are involved.
As far as i go, i find more alt accounts of the newbie scammer.
It is not sure how this scam continue, but it is sure it starts from 2 newbie accounts that using names of trusted people.
I can't confirm that elmanchez and DireWolfM14 are involved, but i already confirmed with screenshot proofs that those two newbies accounts are connected and trying to scam impersonating other people.

**** EDIT: I cannot confirm that elmanchez and DireWolf are involved in this scam scheme, but consider their names are pulled in the scam attempt from the newbies, i must put their names inside.
So far a newbie added two impersonators and tried to scam and also alt account of the same newbie is providing information which only his first newbie account knows which makes them connected.

If a trusted escrow is used, it doesn't matter or not whether he said that person X "is a nice guy". This means nothing.




So either 1) a newbie is trying to scam you, 2) elmanchez is trying to scam you or 3) you use an escrow and won't get sacmmed.




If you don't trust escrows here, you shouldn't be making any deals on this forum.




To explain how dumb it is that we went from "lets use my bro escrow who once said i am a nice guy" to "doing a favor to the community exposing a scamming scheme including a highly reputable member".
elmanchez and/or a newbie might have tried to scam you. But you shouldn't assume that DireWolfM14 is involved into this just because he was proposed as an escrow.

Is this a joke or you are clearly not reading the report and rising your post count?
The newbie redirected me to talk with fake "elmanchez" ( if its fake )
Which in first place means that the newbie redirected me to an impersonator.
Then in second place, the real person or the impersonator then redirecting me to his "bro" escrow...
So either the newbie is redirecting me to impersonator who starts the scheme, or the real elmanchez uses scheme to use his friends as escrow.
So if you still can't understand what is going on let me make it clear:
Either the newbie is using few names to impersonate trusted members to scam, or he is in scheme with trusted members to scam.


Edit: If i get scammed, i don't care who is going to get red, orange or purple flag, my money will be gone forever.
And i am doing a favor to the community exposing a scamming scheme.
If you have nothing to say in-topic, not sure what are you doing here?

Since when using your friends as escrow is green flag ? Since when using someone who impersonate trusted members is green flag ?
Dude, please...

Whether they are good friends or "




Who impersonated who?
Is elmanchez the impersonated member you are talking about?

When using an escrow, it would have been very clear whether it is the real elmanchez or not ?




This still doesn't mean that he would give up his reputation by scamming 1k$.




If you get scammed when using an escrow, you either get your money back through the escrow or all 3 get a neg tag (newbie, elmanchez and the escrow).




It is.
But i still don't think DireWolfM14 would have participated in any scam.
It is a red flag from a newbie and 2 telegram accounts.

Offering your friends as escrow is never a good sign mate
I offered escrow from the forum list and he offered me his "bro" What a great sign is that.
I shouted a "SCAM" because someone impersonated member with green trust obviously.
Seems like you didn't even read the topic and the statements with screenshots....
It is not a good sign to impersonate in first place, and it is not good sign even if he didn't impersonate to offer your friend as escrow.
Do i have any reason to believe his "bro" is DireWolfM14 ? Let me think half a second... Yes i do.
DireWolfM14 stating in his posts he had months conversation with elmanchez and he seems a nice guy and stuff like that.
Both the impersonator (or maybe the real elmanchez)  and the newbie scammers are russians.
Newbie account is used to start the scam so if he burnt no one loses anything.
3 way scheme which can fool many people by simple psychologic tactics are pulled out by newbie and covered by two green trusted persons....
Well yeah i think something is wrong based on those facts and the screenshots above
I also offered escrow but i don't offered my "bro" to cover my ass right?
If you are trying to defend them please, place your statements proof based.

Edit: After exposing them it is not red flag that i was ignored instantly, the user changed his avatar on telegram and everyone stop to respond right ?
Even if elmanchez or DireWolf are not in that scheme and being impersonated at least the newbie hip3r is 10000% scammer because he tried to impersonate trusted members right?
But the fact that 3 way russian scam scheme is on point i highly doubt in so many coincidences

Offering an escrow is actually a good sign.
Do you have any reason to believev that DireWolfM14 is his "bro" and would not act as he is supposed to as an escrow ?


As far as i see, someone wanted to exchange with you. They offered an escrow. And you shouted "SCAM" immediately.
DireWolfM14 is reputable. I don't think he would throw away his reputation and account for 1k.

And instead of proposing a different escrow, you stop the exchange? Is that how you do business ?

What happened: hip3r contacted me about buying neteller, in the end he redirected me to someone pretends (or he is) elmanchez who offers his "bro" (maybe his best friend) to act as escrow. but in the end it seems like impersonator were added by hip3r or just those russians have perfect scheme for scamming by redirecting everyone to different person and in the end  you get fooled by either impersonator or using their "bro" with trusted account as escrow.

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hip3r-2822222 , https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/elmanchez-2553198 , https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/direwolfm14-2003859

]Reference Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/exchange-netellerskrillpayoneerusdtwebmoneyqiwi-5257927
Amount Scammed: Thanks god the amount scammed is zero
Payment Method: Neteller for USDT
Proof of Payment: -
PM/Chat Logs:

Private messages:
https://prnt.sc/t7f0gd
https://prnt.sc/t7f0k0
https://prnt.sc/t7f19u

Telegram messages from hip3r:
https://prnt.sc/t7f1ga
https://prnt.sc/t7f1o9
https://prnt.sc/t7f20r
https://prnt.sc/t7f28w
https://prnt.sc/t7f2m7

Telegram messages by his friend/partner/scammer elmanchez:
elmanchez telegram id: https://prnt.sc/t7f342

Telegram chat:
https://prnt.sc/t7f3dr
elmanchez offers me to use his BRO escrow services for free "DireWolfM14": https://prnt.sc/t7f3vx
after refusing to use his BRO as escrow he threaten me to neg rep me : https://prnt.sc/t7f4bg
More chat logs:
https://prnt.sc/t7f4m1
https://prnt.sc/t7f4y3

Alt of hip3r (Bizoxi) :
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bizoxi-2727385
His topic about almost same exchange: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/exchange-your-skrill-neteller-payoneer-and-more-to-any-cryptocurrency-5258001
Claiming something that i said only to hip3r, which means only hip3r can know that, which also means that he is alt of hip3r
Proof that i said my money are coming from people that gamble and play poker only to hip3r: https://prnt.sc/t7g4lf
Proof that alt of scammer "Bizoxi" know something private that he never received by me but were only sent to hip3r: https://prnt.sc/t7g6a8

Additional Notes: Seems like somehow i went thru triple way scamming scheme by russians.
There is brand new account doing exchanges, one account with some green feedback to cover his ass and not in last place an "bro" escrow russian who also have reputation and being in DT.
Nice way to scam newbies and also experienced in middle stage sellers/buyers in the forum.
The newbie playing stupid not understanding english redirecting you to his friend who have experience with the forum who also uses his bro for escrow services.
In the end, only the newbie account can be burnt because the other two are playing "fair" to trick you.
Three way russian scamming scheme, a nice one! I am sure that most of the newbies and some advanced users will be fucked up by those guys..