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legendary
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May 13, 2017, 01:06:53 AM
Creationist websites haven't yet heard about cosmic background radiation, as I see. Keep believing in your nothing, but keep out of scientific discussions, you obviously understand as much as a brain damaged donkey would.

Notice the lack of one of the basic laws of science in this quoted post^^^... cause and effect.

For a fact, at least after background radiation reaches earth, cause and effect interact with it. Since we have seen nothing contradictory to cause and effect, and since the universe is one, cause and effect applies to cosmic background radiation while it is still in transit to Earth.

But, why should we stop a troll in his tracks? Let him keep on blabbing.

Cool
As I stated above, creationist websites don't teach you about cosmic background radiation since... I don't even know what the fuck you believe cosmic background radiation helps for, but I'll just be a cool guy and make it clear for you little donkey: the CMB, the cosmic microwave background is the trail left by the creation of our universe, to be more explicit, the Big Bang, or the voodoo thing you creationist, apologist donkeys fail to properly understand. But bare this in mind, I do not even pretend you understand or give credit to the Big Bang, I know it seems impossible for idiots who believe the universe was created 6000 years ago or so. Sleep tight little one, the Big DuDu in the sky might send you to hell if you don't.

I forgot.

Scientists have their theories and guesses. But you were there.

LOL!

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May 12, 2017, 10:32:22 PM
God definitely exists as no human being is not being able to handle this whole nature. Nature exists due to God or we can say that nature is god.
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May 12, 2017, 09:21:26 PM
I dont mean to offend those who are science fanatics and athiests. Im not an expert in God's words or the Bible but if analyze the Bible very well you can see the connections of the events from the old through the new testament, one example is the predictions made that did come true. There are many evidences and proof written the Bible that shows its legitimacy, and what does science wants? Proof right? There also circumstances as far as my knowledge in the Bible is concerned that science and the Bible had connections. And we cant explain God through science because God is the greatest scientist who personally made science ( in my belief ) and all the creatures in such a complex manner that only He can understand.
It's good that you are not an expert in the Bible, because if you would have claimed to be one, that would really offend human kind. The bible has huge inconsistencies and its legitimacy stands for it as a work of art, not a work of science or at least an informative book. It's nice to read it, the poetry is really well written but that's all, I also like Shakespeare. If you wonder about inconsistencies, you can start with the age of the universe, the 6000 years...
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May 12, 2017, 09:04:17 PM
Creationist websites haven't yet heard about cosmic background radiation, as I see. Keep believing in your nothing, but keep out of scientific discussions, you obviously understand as much as a brain damaged donkey would.

Notice the lack of one of the basic laws of science in this quoted post^^^... cause and effect.

For a fact, at least after background radiation reaches earth, cause and effect interact with it. Since we have seen nothing contradictory to cause and effect, and since the universe is one, cause and effect applies to cosmic background radiation while it is still in transit to Earth.

But, why should we stop a troll in his tracks? Let him keep on blabbing.

Cool
As I stated above, creationist websites don't teach you about cosmic background radiation since... I don't even know what the fuck you believe cosmic background radiation helps for, but I'll just be a cool guy and make it clear for you little donkey: the CMB, the cosmic microwave background is the trail left by the creation of our universe, to be more explicit, the Big Bang, or the voodoo thing you creationist, apologist donkeys fail to properly understand. But bare this in mind, I do not even pretend you understand or give credit to the Big Bang, I know it seems impossible for idiots who believe the universe was created 6000 years ago or so. Sleep tight little one, the Big DuDu in the sky might send you to hell if you don't.
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May 12, 2017, 08:54:46 PM
Of course, big bang has never been proven.

Not only has it not been proven to be the source of the universe, but it has not even been proven to be something that is possible. We are so far from proving big bang, that even if it were proven to be possible, it still would have to be proven to be the way things came about.

Theories are changing. There are 3 major big bang theories. There are 4 major black hole theories. None of the black holes produced from the black hole theories could fit into any of the big bang universes produced from any of the big bang theories. The theories just don't match up mathematically.

Science has a long way to go to even suggest that the pile of BB math that they have is anywhere near close to reality.

Cool

Citation for that crock of shite you just posted? .
..right then chaps...  get ready to drink!!


It's spelled Shiite, but if I were Muslim, I'd rather be a Sunni.

 Grin

Ok, let me just spell it out for you, as obviously you have no phuking clue about terminology outside of your little nutshell you live in.
So in England (that's another country across the Atlantic Ocean) "shite" is slang for "shit" ,and its spelled "shite" . Got it?
Muslim, Shiite and Sunni are completely irrelevant to my post. Just goes to show how clueless you are. But then again
based on your post history here, that's really no surprise.
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May 12, 2017, 08:39:44 PM
I dont mean to offend those who are science fanatics and athiests. Im not an expert in God's words or the Bible but if analyze the Bible very well you can see the connections of the events from the old through the new testament, one example is the predictions made that did come true. There are many evidences and proof written the Bible that shows its legitimacy, and what does science wants? Proof right? There also circumstances as far as my knowledge in the Bible is concerned that science and the Bible had connections. And we cant explain God through science because God is the greatest scientist who personally made science ( in my belief ) and all the creatures in such a complex manner that only He can understand.
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May 12, 2017, 07:09:12 PM
Creationist websites haven't yet heard about cosmic background radiation, as I see. Keep believing in your nothing, but keep out of scientific discussions, you obviously understand as much as a brain damaged donkey would.

Notice the lack of one of the basic laws of science in this quoted post^^^... cause and effect.

For a fact, at least after background radiation reaches earth, cause and effect interact with it. Since we have seen nothing contradictory to cause and effect, and since the universe is one, cause and effect applies to cosmic background radiation while it is still in transit to Earth.

But, why should we stop a troll in his tracks? Let him keep on blabbing.

Cool
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May 12, 2017, 11:05:30 AM
Of course, big bang has never been proven.

Not only has it not been proven to be the source of the universe, but it has not even been proven to be something that is possible. We are so far from proving big bang, that even if it were proven to be possible, it still would have to be proven to be the way things came about.

Theories are changing. There are 3 major big bang theories. There are 4 major black hole theories. None of the black holes produced from the black hole theories could fit into any of the big bang universes produced from any of the big bang theories. The theories just don't match up mathematically.

Science has a long way to go to even suggest that the pile of BB math that they have is anywhere near close to reality.

Cool
Creationist websites haven't yet heard about cosmic background radiation, as I see. Keep believing in your nothing, but keep out of scientific discussions, you obviously understand as much as a brain damaged donkey would.
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May 12, 2017, 10:34:26 AM
But, simply Google "How does science prove that God exists?" to see that there is all kinds of science that proves God exists.

There is no hard science that proves God exists. God is beyond our science.

Stating that science can prove the existence of God is nothing more than extreme conjecture.

God is inside our universe as well as outside. Since He has left us proof in the links I show, etc., He is scientifically proven to exist.

The thing that isn't ever shown is a complete description of Him. In fact, science shows very little about him. But, Whatever or Whoever He is, fits the Thing that put the combinations of scientific facts together in this universe, as my links show.

Cool
I completely agree with you Despite the fact that many skeptics persuade the mankind in the opposite. Only a believing person can understand what and how it happens in the world and everyone knows that God does not have a body, because it is invisible from.


Anybody who believes in God is as a child and probably believes in Santa Clause and the tooth fairy too. 

It is as if a large segment of the Human population has brain damage
And it's true. All believers are sick in the head people. As a modern man can believe in Guy who sits in heaven and rules the world, but nobody sees it and it has no effect.

All people are sick in the head. Believers in God are simply getting well.

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May 12, 2017, 10:32:40 AM
But, simply Google "How does science prove that God exists?" to see that there is all kinds of science that proves God exists.

There is no hard science that proves God exists. God is beyond our science.

Stating that science can prove the existence of God is nothing more than extreme conjecture.

God is inside our universe as well as outside. Since He has left us proof in the links I show, etc., He is scientifically proven to exist.

The thing that isn't ever shown is a complete description of Him. In fact, science shows very little about him. But, Whatever or Whoever He is, fits the Thing that put the combinations of scientific facts together in this universe, as my links show.

Cool
I completely agree with you Despite the fact that many skeptics persuade the mankind in the opposite. Only a believing person can understand what and how it happens in the world and everyone knows that God does not have a body, because it is invisible from.


Anybody who believes in God is as a child and probably believes in Santa Clause and the tooth fairy too. 

It is as if a large segment of the Human population has brain damage
And it's true. All believers are sick in the head people. As a modern man can believe in Guy who sits in heaven and rules the world, but nobody sees it and it has no effect.
legendary
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May 12, 2017, 10:29:58 AM
Of course, big bang has never been proven.

Not only has it not been proven to be the source of the universe, but it has not even been proven to be something that is possible. We are so far from proving big bang, that even if it were proven to be possible, it still would have to be proven to be the way things came about.

Theories are changing. There are 3 major big bang theories. There are 4 major black hole theories. None of the black holes produced from the black hole theories could fit into any of the big bang universes produced from any of the big bang theories. The theories just don't match up mathematically.

Science has a long way to go to even suggest that the pile of BB math that they have is anywhere near close to reality.

Cool

Citation for that crock of shite you just posted? .
..right then chaps...  get ready to drink!!


It's spelled Shiite, but if I were Muslim, I'd rather be a Sunni.

 Grin
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May 12, 2017, 10:22:55 AM
Of course, big bang has never been proven.

Not only has it not been proven to be the source of the universe, but it has not even been proven to be something that is possible. We are so far from proving big bang, that even if it were proven to be possible, it still would have to be proven to be the way things came about.

Theories are changing. There are 3 major big bang theories. There are 4 major black hole theories. None of the black holes produced from the black hole theories could fit into any of the big bang universes produced from any of the big bang theories. The theories just don't match up mathematically.

Science has a long way to go to even suggest that the pile of BB math that they have is anywhere near close to reality.

Cool

Citation for that crock of shite you just posted? .
..right then chaps...  get ready to drink!!
legendary
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May 12, 2017, 10:04:27 AM
Of course, big bang has never been proven.

Not only has it not been proven to be the source of the universe, but it has not even been proven to be something that is possible. We are so far from proving big bang, that even if it were proven to be possible, it still would have to be proven to be the way things came about.

Theories are changing. There are 3 major big bang theories. There are 4 major black hole theories. None of the black holes produced from the black hole theories could fit into any of the big bang universes produced from any of the big bang theories. The theories just don't match up mathematically.

Science has a long way to go to even suggest that the pile of BB math that they have is anywhere near close to reality.

Cool
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May 12, 2017, 08:34:02 AM
Everything you said was wrong. Starting from ''it's a fact that something can't come from nothing'' That's not a fact. The big bang theory doesn't say that the universe came from nothing, you are uneducated.

Lol, I will not even go in deep analize of what you just said, but sorry man I was kid when they teached us THAT Big Bang is beggining of known life and Universe? So basicly you are creating now new theory? Big Bang can not be start because I repeat something CAN NOT start from NOTHING. Amen. You can insult me, you can trash how you want that is fact.

Tell me also one example where something starts to exist from nothing? Please, just one?? Just one man. I am waiting. Please make those facts. You have no clue how Lucky we are that we live. Its basicly miracle. With God it makes sense, but if you go back and back, we are seriously lucky that something exists at all. And that theory about hologram, please just please, like holograms can exist without logic, science and intelligence? Khm yes, who will bite into that. I will not even go in other theories. If we talk about God I believe we are created by something or someone way bigger than us. Insult is that people think we are alpha and omega in universe, because if that would be truth God help us all, and to Universe also, based how much flaws even on Earth we are not able to solve. We live even in flaw society called capitalism. Very mature for some advanced society, seriously mature. So yes I believe in God, and I pray there is something smarter than us, cause with what we are in modern age we are seriously far from some super intelligent beings. Maybe in 1000 years. I do not say I know anything, but I use logic, and God is for sure best explanation. It is also what I feel. I respect what other think, but when they argue with me, I am always ready for debate.

Big Bang, as an event and process is the one that created the Universe, there is no doubt about it anymore. What was before that is unknown and no, God is not the best explanation, God is the only explanation you ever got, one you grew up with, one that makes sense on really short length. First of all, there are many Gods. Some of them are extinct, some of them are still believed in. All religions are based on 'revelation' on the basis of which a book was written, teaching us about that God. God's message around the world is quite different, something not so adequate for a far more intelligent being. The intelligent design is laughable, most of the designs are far from intelligent and flawed, hence the mass extinction of species. Hear me out on this one: we have two possibilities:
1. God also has a creator, meaning he was the cause of the Big Bang, the creator, but himself has been created, so he's not so God after all, he's just more capable of. In the meantime, this argument would get him rid of the all knowing and omnipotent characteristics since there is something bigger and better than him. Also, it would have nothing to do with any religion and we still we don't have clue of him.
2. God has no creator, he is supreme and has all the power, he obeys no rules that we know of. Theists, apologists, creationists and most of the believers claim that this God must exist, because something can not exist from nothing. The hypocrisy of their flawed thinking is that when faced with the fact that this specific God came from nothing, they back up and come up with different excuses for the God, most of them being 'God doesn't obey our laws, he is outside his creation, etc'. Somehow, they are cherry picking their logical arguments because their ego will not let them admit the failure of a lifetime, the blind belief that they got since birth, without their will, through their home education, through culture, through mimesis, propaganda and so on. If somebody would somehow get lied in such a way to truthfully believe in Santa Claus until the age of 50 and he would be faced with the truth, he would not let himself believe the truth. The logical and reasonable truth is that God, at this point, represents nothing but an assumption, a myth, a flaw of the human mind. Change the word 'God' with 'cause' and this is what you get: the cause that created the universe is something that we don't understand, it is mysterious, it is the truth, it is omnipotent, it is everything - this phrase gives no explanation of the creation of universe, nor the creator, it's just what any human would say about something that he does not understand. That represents nothing, so religious people who believe that something can not come from nothing have a flawed thinking, not a logical one, since they actually believe in a nothing that created something. God is solely a word. The truth is nobody knows the cause of the big bang but pretending that we know it was God just so we prove we know something won't bring us any information, it will actually stop people from doing further research because they would believe they already have the answer. Thank you for your time.
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May 12, 2017, 08:24:51 AM
I do not believe in God. I do not know any scientific or reasonable evidence of his existence. On the other hand, we can never know how to make life. It's all our assumptions. Yes, we have evidence of evolution, but people are sometimes mistaken. I do not mind anyone believing in God. But I do not like organizations based on the principle of religion. This is no longer about God, but about rituals, money, and prestige.

Well actually how to produce life from non living matter is already explained and discovered: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

From that Wikipedia article you linked^^^:
Abiogenesis is studied through a combination of paleontology, laboratory experiments and extrapolation from the characteristics of modern organisms, and aims to determine how pre-life chemical reactions gave rise to life on Earth.

Did you notice the word "aims?" "Aims" means that it is not certain. Rather, science is working on it. But they can stop, because abiogenesis has been proven impossible by probability math.

All you need to do to see this is take the number and kinds of atoms an molecules that make up a living cell, and figure out the odds against all of them coming together in exactly the correct places so that there is a potential cell formed. Then, add the number of motions for those atoms and molecules that would make the cell alive. Then, find a way to immediately dump the new living cell into a non-hostile environment, because the environment that would allow the chemicals to come together would immediately kill the cell. Then add the molecules and atoms that would give the cell the ability to divide, in just the right places, and with just the right motions.

The odds against abiogenesis are so extremely great that it is impossible. But if it somehow happened, there is no way to keep the cell from dying on the spot.

Scientists are smart. Yet, they haven't been able, with all their intelligence and abilities, to make abiogenesis happen in the lab. Why would anyone think that it could happen randomely in nature, and extend itself to become all life on earth?

Which way are scientists dumber? By thinking abiogenesis could randomly happen? Or by not being able to match nature and make it happen?

Cool

You basically said that it is possible. Odds are little? No problem thats why you have a very big universe where random atoms interact with other random atoms all the time, suddenly the odds don't seem that little, nice logic by the way
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May 12, 2017, 08:24:20 AM
Im ateisth, dont belive in this think your brain, god not exist
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May 12, 2017, 08:20:34 AM
Everything you said was wrong. Starting from ''it's a fact that something can't come from nothing'' That's not a fact. The big bang theory doesn't say that the universe came from nothing, you are uneducated.

Lol, I will not even go in deep analize of what you just said, but sorry man I was kid when they teached us THAT Big Bang is beggining of known life and Universe? So basicly you are creating now new theory? Big Bang can not be start because I repeat something CAN NOT start from NOTHING. Amen. You can insult me, you can trash how you want that is fact.

Tell me also one example where something starts to exist from nothing? Please, just one?? Just one man. I am waiting. Please make those facts. You have no clue how Lucky we are that we live. Its basicly miracle. With God it makes sense, but if you go back and back, we are seriously lucky that something exists at all. And that theory about hologram, please just please, like holograms can exist without logic, science and intelligence? Khm yes, who will bite into that. I will not even go in other theories. If we talk about God I believe we are created by something or someone way bigger than us. Insult is that people think we are alpha and omega in universe, because if that would be truth God help us all, and to Universe also, based how much flaws even on Earth we are not able to solve. We live even in flaw society called capitalism. Very mature for some advanced society, seriously mature. So yes I believe in God, and I pray there is something smarter than us, cause with what we are in modern age we are seriously far from some super intelligent beings. Maybe in 1000 years. I do not say I know anything, but I use logic, and God is for sure best explanation. It is also what I feel. I respect what other think, but when they argue with me, I am always ready for debate.

The big bang states that the universe was created from something, not from nothing.
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May 12, 2017, 06:59:23 AM
Everything you said was wrong. Starting from ''it's a fact that something can't come from nothing'' That's not a fact. The big bang theory doesn't say that the universe came from nothing, you are uneducated.

Lol, I will not even go in deep analize of what you just said, but sorry man I was kid when they teached us THAT Big Bang is beggining of known life and Universe? So basicly you are creating now new theory? Big Bang can not be start because I repeat something CAN NOT start from NOTHING. Amen. You can insult me, you can trash how you want that is fact.

Tell me also one example where something starts to exist from nothing? Please, just one?? Just one man. I am waiting. Please make those facts. You have no clue how Lucky we are that we live. Its basicly miracle. With God it makes sense, but if you go back and back, we are seriously lucky that something exists at all. And that theory about hologram, please just please, like holograms can exist without logic, science and intelligence? Khm yes, who will bite into that. I will not even go in other theories. If we talk about God I believe we are created by something or someone way bigger than us. Insult is that people think we are alpha and omega in universe, because if that would be truth God help us all, and to Universe also, based how much flaws even on Earth we are not able to solve. We live even in flaw society called capitalism. Very mature for some advanced society, seriously mature. So yes I believe in God, and I pray there is something smarter than us, cause with what we are in modern age we are seriously far from some super intelligent beings. Maybe in 1000 years. I do not say I know anything, but I use logic, and God is for sure best explanation. It is also what I feel. I respect what other think, but when they argue with me, I am always ready for debate.
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May 11, 2017, 11:49:38 PM
I really doubt there is any scientific proof to describe god existence.
But my last post has 100 scientific proofs...
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May 11, 2017, 04:05:45 PM
I do not believe in God. I do not know any scientific or reasonable evidence of his existence. On the other hand, we can never know how to make life. It's all our assumptions. Yes, we have evidence of evolution, but people are sometimes mistaken. I do not mind anyone believing in God. But I do not like organizations based on the principle of religion. This is no longer about God, but about rituals, money, and prestige.

Well actually how to produce life from non living matter is already explained and discovered: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

From that Wikipedia article you linked^^^:
Abiogenesis is studied through a combination of paleontology, laboratory experiments and extrapolation from the characteristics of modern organisms, and aims to determine how pre-life chemical reactions gave rise to life on Earth.

Did you notice the word "aims?" "Aims" means that it is not certain. Rather, science is working on it. But they can stop, because abiogenesis has been proven impossible by probability math.

All you need to do to see this is take the number and kinds of atoms an molecules that make up a living cell, and figure out the odds against all of them coming together in exactly the correct places so that there is a potential cell formed. Then, add the number of motions for those atoms and molecules that would make the cell alive. Then, find a way to immediately dump the new living cell into a non-hostile environment, because the environment that would allow the chemicals to come together would immediately kill the cell. Then add the molecules and atoms that would give the cell the ability to divide, in just the right places, and with just the right motions.

The odds against abiogenesis are so extremely great that it is impossible. But if it somehow happened, there is no way to keep the cell from dying on the spot.

Scientists are smart. Yet, they haven't been able, with all their intelligence and abilities, to make abiogenesis happen in the lab. Why would anyone think that it could happen randomely in nature, and extend itself to become all life on earth?

Which way are scientists dumber? By thinking abiogenesis could randomly happen? Or by not being able to match nature and make it happen?

Cool
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