Scientific proof that God exists? - page 509.

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Quote from: BADecker on August 30, 2014, 09:00:36 PM

Quote from: Buffer Overflow on August 30, 2014, 03:13:39 PM

Quote from: bl4kjaguar on August 30, 2014, 02:53:47 PM

And they are now being challenged

You do realise that the discussion going on in this thread has been discussed over and over and over for thousands of years?
No closer to any scrap of evidence or proof than we was 1000 years ago, and no further from any scrap of evidence or proof than we will be 1000 years from now.

This applies to both sides of the argument.

You do realise that don't you?

Wrong!

The machine nature of our universe has been recognized for thousands of years, even though it hasn't been said like this very often. Everyone knows that machines have makers. Cars and televisions don't simply jump into existence by themselves. Everyone has recognized God through the evidence of nature and the universe. Modern science has proven more than ever the machine quality of our universe.

Some people, for whatever stupid reason, decide that they are going to set aside the overwhelming evidence of the machine quality of nature, so that they can make a level field to let the stupidity of what they call evolution theory enter.

What this boils down to is politics. It is political propaganda, just like organized religion is political propaganda to a great extent in some areas. Political propaganda exists for one basic reason. It is a tool used by the few to take control of the many.

Again, when two hydrogen atoms fuse together to give one atom of helium (+ other stuff), do you think it's god that makes them do that? Surely because the helium atom is a machine and must have a machine maker, right?

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Quote from: BADecker on August 30, 2014, 09:00:36 PM

Quote from: Buffer Overflow on August 30, 2014, 03:13:39 PM

Quote from: bl4kjaguar on August 30, 2014, 02:53:47 PM

And they are now being challenged

You do realise that the discussion going on in this thread has been discussed over and over and over for thousands of years?
No closer to any scrap of evidence or proof than we was 1000 years ago, and no further from any scrap of evidence or proof than we will be 1000 years from now.

This applies to both sides of the argument.

You do realise that don't you?

Wrong!

The machine nature of our universe has been recognized for thousands of years, even though it hasn't been said like this very often. Everyone knows that machines have makers. Cars and televisions don't simply jump into existence by themselves. Everyone has recognized God through the evidence of nature and the universe. Modern science has proven more than ever the machine quality of our universe.

Some people, for whatever stupid reason, decide that they are going to set aside the overwhelming evidence of the machine quality of nature, so that they can make a level field to let the stupidity of what they call evolution theory enter.

What this boils down to is politics. It is political propaganda, just like organized religion is political propaganda to a great extent in some areas. Political propaganda exists for one basic reason. It is a tool used by the few to take control of the many.

My statement still holds true regardless of your ideas and opinions. Here, I'll make it easier to understand:

We are no closer to proving god than 1000 years ago. FACT.
We are no closer to disproving god than 1000 years ago. FACT.
No evidence exists in favor of god, same as 1000 years ago. FACT.
No evidence exists not in favor of god, same as 1000 years ago. FACT.

You just don't get it do you? Religion/God works because it is a faith.

There's not meant to be any evidence/proof. That's the whole point..

C'mon, I'm not even religious but I still "get" how it operates.

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Quote from: BADecker on August 30, 2014, 11:34:11 AM

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Quote from: BADecker on August 29, 2014, 04:01:35 PM

Oh, this is so funny. Not the serious points. Rather the fact that people want to believe certain things that seem to be impossible to others, yet they are unwilling to recognize that some of the things that they believe are considered to be impossible by those same others.

For example, one person says, it is impossible for there to be a living angel inside the sun. Another says that it is impossible for evolution to have happened.

If we want to start to reconcile our "beliefs," all of us first need to recognize that there is only ONE reason why life and the earth is possible. That reason is, simply, that we exist. We are here. At least it feels like it and looks like it.

One of the most important things that we need to realize if we want to move on to an understanding of ourselves and the universe is, it is utterly impossible for life, and nature on the earth, and even the whole universe, to exist, according to anything that we know or understand, except that we do exist, and it all exists. Without recognizing this, all the rest of scientific investigation is meaningless, except that it moves us in the direction of understanding how impossible this universe is. That's the start towards understanding.

Except there is ZERO evidence for angels living in the sun. And 100% evidence for evolution. Evolution isn't an opinion, I am so tired of people treating it as such. It is a fact. But even with the FACT of evolution, there is still room for your gods existence, one does not disprove the other, so stop refuting known facts and wasting everyone's time.

Some of the interpretations suggest that the universe is billions of years old and that evolution is where people came from.

Wrong. Evolution doesn't go from creation of universe to current day man. Only from single-cell organisms to current day man. The Big Bang Theory explains the creation of the universe (at least part of it). And abiogenesis explains going from non-living to living organisms.

You absolutely have no idea, do you? Like, you're literally arguing about shit you're making up on the spot.

Honestly, it's a shame you were indoctrinated with religion and that creates an ignorance of science. It's a bit sad you cling to religion so much. Honestly, try to open your mind just a tiny bit. Actually read and think about what people are saying.

You keep speaking as though you're informed about science. However, you're quite ignorant. Science is amazing. What's cool about science it's okay to be wrong. No one's going to punish you for being wrong about a hypothesis. It's when you start to make up evidence and start spouting bullshit that you get in trouble.

Seriously BADecker, look up the scientific method. Try to apply that methodology to your religion. Don't try to fill the gaps, make the evidence fill the gaps. Your hypothesis is that everything in the Bible is true, now try to prove that via the scientific method.

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god is a creation of humans. so you can call it real. fullstop.

god is a different category word as bread or car. you cant understand that post by reading your book full of BS.

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Quote from: Buffer Overflow on August 30, 2014, 03:13:39 PM

Quote from: bl4kjaguar on August 30, 2014, 02:53:47 PM

And they are now being challenged

You do realise that the discussion going on in this thread has been discussed over and over and over for thousands of years?
No closer to any scrap of evidence or proof than we was 1000 years ago, and no further from any scrap of evidence or proof than we will be 1000 years from now.

This applies to both sides of the argument.

You do realise that don't you?

Wrong!

The machine nature of our universe has been recognized for thousands of years, even though it hasn't been said like this very often. Everyone knows that machines have makers. Cars and televisions don't simply jump into existence by themselves. Everyone has recognized God through the evidence of nature and the universe. Modern science has proven more than ever the machine quality of our universe.

Some people, for whatever stupid reason, decide that they are going to set aside the overwhelming evidence of the machine quality of nature, so that they can make a level field to let the stupidity of what they call evolution theory enter.

What this boils down to is politics. It is political propaganda, just like organized religion is political propaganda to a great extent in some areas. Political propaganda exists for one basic reason. It is a tool used by the few to take control of the many.

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Quote from: Buffer Overflow on August 30, 2014, 03:13:39 PM

Quote from: bl4kjaguar on August 30, 2014, 02:53:47 PM

And they are now being challenged

http://www.rivier.edu/faculty/pcunningham/Research/Problem_of_Seths_Origin.pdf

You do realise that the discussion going on in this thread has been discussed over and over and over for thousands of years?
No closer to any scrap of evidence or proof than we was 1000 years ago, and no further from any scrap of evidence or proof than we will be 1000 years from now.

This applies to both sides of the argument.

You do realise that don't you?

I will realize it if you realize these facts, and all the others already referenced:

1) that we can and should no longer wish away expansive phenomena of this type.
2) The psychical origin of the Seth material does not automatically invalidate its claims
3) "Nothing is more likely to impede investigation than premature acceptance of 'explanations'"
4) personalities continue to exist after physical death

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Quote from: dank on August 30, 2014, 04:32:04 PM

You do realize I'm about to ascend humanity at the music festival and prove the quantum nature of our universe, correct?

Please keep your nonsense in your own pointless threads.

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You do realize I'm about to ascend humanity at the music festival and prove the quantum nature of our universe, correct?

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Quote from: bl4kjaguar on August 30, 2014, 02:53:47 PM

And they are now being challenged

You do realise that the discussion going on in this thread has been discussed over and over and over for thousands of years?
No closer to any scrap of evidence or proof than we was 1000 years ago, and no further from any scrap of evidence or proof than we will be 1000 years from now.

This applies to both sides of the argument.

You do realise that don't you?

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In a related thread, I posted content which is in the domain of world experience -- but far beyond explanation.

People want to believe materialism and evolution rather than examining something that makes sense in light of the published public record.

Even if all of the old explanations make sense, those world views have limits to their relevance.

And they are now being challenged.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8437004

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Quote from: Gimpeline on August 30, 2014, 01:10:06 PM

Quote from: BADecker on August 30, 2014, 11:34:11 AM

Quote from: DDuckworth on August 30, 2014, 07:20:35 AM

Quote from: BADecker on August 29, 2014, 04:01:35 PM

Oh, this is so funny. Not the serious points. Rather the fact that people want to believe certain things that seem to be impossible to others, yet they are unwilling to recognize that some of the things that they believe are considered to be impossible by those same others.

For example, one person says, it is impossible for there to be a living angel inside the sun. Another says that it is impossible for evolution to have happened.

If we want to start to reconcile our "beliefs," all of us first need to recognize that there is only ONE reason why life and the earth is possible. That reason is, simply, that we exist. We are here. At least it feels like it and looks like it.

One of the most important things that we need to realize if we want to move on to an understanding of ourselves and the universe is, it is utterly impossible for life, and nature on the earth, and even the whole universe, to exist, according to anything that we know or understand, except that we do exist, and it all exists. Without recognizing this, all the rest of scientific investigation is meaningless, except that it moves us in the direction of understanding how impossible this universe is. That's the start towards understanding.

Except there is ZERO evidence for angels living in the sun. And 100% evidence for evolution. Evolution isn't an opinion, I am so tired of people treating it as such. It is a fact. But even with the FACT of evolution, there is still room for your gods existence, one does not disprove the other, so stop refuting known facts and wasting everyone's time.

Actually, there is scientific evidence. Then, there are interpretations of that evidence. Some of the interpretations suggest that the universe is billions of years old and that evolution is where people came from. Some of the interpretations of the same evidence suggests a short universal age - as short as 6,000 years - and that people simply "popped" into existence without any real evidence of where they came from. And there are other interpretations of that same evidence, as well.

So present that evidence. This thred is 18 pages long now and so far i havent seen a single one.
This God you clame excist also poped into existence without anny real evidence from where he came from.
One can pop up but not the other one? Science know where people came from. Its called the evolution theory. Where is your evidence

This

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Quote from: BADecker on August 30, 2014, 11:34:11 AM

Quote from: DDuckworth on August 30, 2014, 07:20:35 AM

Quote from: BADecker on August 29, 2014, 04:01:35 PM

Oh, this is so funny. Not the serious points. Rather the fact that people want to believe certain things that seem to be impossible to others, yet they are unwilling to recognize that some of the things that they believe are considered to be impossible by those same others.

For example, one person says, it is impossible for there to be a living angel inside the sun. Another says that it is impossible for evolution to have happened.

If we want to start to reconcile our "beliefs," all of us first need to recognize that there is only ONE reason why life and the earth is possible. That reason is, simply, that we exist. We are here. At least it feels like it and looks like it.

One of the most important things that we need to realize if we want to move on to an understanding of ourselves and the universe is, it is utterly impossible for life, and nature on the earth, and even the whole universe, to exist, according to anything that we know or understand, except that we do exist, and it all exists. Without recognizing this, all the rest of scientific investigation is meaningless, except that it moves us in the direction of understanding how impossible this universe is. That's the start towards understanding.

Except there is ZERO evidence for angels living in the sun. And 100% evidence for evolution. Evolution isn't an opinion, I am so tired of people treating it as such. It is a fact. But even with the FACT of evolution, there is still room for your gods existence, one does not disprove the other, so stop refuting known facts and wasting everyone's time.

Actually, there is scientific evidence. Then, there are interpretations of that evidence. Some of the interpretations suggest that the universe is billions of years old and that evolution is where people came from. Some of the interpretations of the same evidence suggests a short universal age - as short as 6,000 years - and that people simply "popped" into existence without any real evidence of where they came from. And there are other interpretations of that same evidence, as well.

So present that evidence. This thred is 18 pages long now and so far i havent seen a single one.
This God you clame excist also poped into existence without anny real evidence from where he came from.
One can pop up but not the other one? Science know where people came from. Its called the evolution theory. Where is your evidence

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I pray to your fake god that the utter nonsense in this thread is not representative of the population and large, but I greatly fear it is. Embarrassed

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Quote from: dank on August 30, 2014, 11:29:26 AM

God is not separate from us, we just forgot that we're gods. You can't understand god from a humanly perspective, but you can comprehend god, as it is who we are.

Another person's experience might suggest that we are not God.

There is a place in the Psalms in the Bible that says wording similar to this, "You are gods, but you will all die like the sons of men." Jesus made reference to that passage when the priests of ancient Israel were going to execute Him for stating that He was the Son of God.

We have forgotten that we are gods, just like the priests of ancient Israel did until Jesus reminded them. Just as we have forgotten this, we don't want to recognize that we are NOT THE GOD, God Almighty. God almighty is His own Self, just as we all are, individually, our own selves.

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Quote from: jackjack on August 30, 2014, 07:40:50 AM

The universe is not infinite

Personally, I don't know. Conceivably, infinity is an attribute of the universe, and that it is so. Conceivably, the only way that it could be proven that the universe is NOT infinite would be to exist "outside" the universe, a thing that we really cannot conceive of.

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Quote from: DDuckworth on August 30, 2014, 07:20:35 AM

Quote from: BADecker on August 29, 2014, 04:01:35 PM

Oh, this is so funny. Not the serious points. Rather the fact that people want to believe certain things that seem to be impossible to others, yet they are unwilling to recognize that some of the things that they believe are considered to be impossible by those same others.

For example, one person says, it is impossible for there to be a living angel inside the sun. Another says that it is impossible for evolution to have happened.

If we want to start to reconcile our "beliefs," all of us first need to recognize that there is only ONE reason why life and the earth is possible. That reason is, simply, that we exist. We are here. At least it feels like it and looks like it.

One of the most important things that we need to realize if we want to move on to an understanding of ourselves and the universe is, it is utterly impossible for life, and nature on the earth, and even the whole universe, to exist, according to anything that we know or understand, except that we do exist, and it all exists. Without recognizing this, all the rest of scientific investigation is meaningless, except that it moves us in the direction of understanding how impossible this universe is. That's the start towards understanding.

Except there is ZERO evidence for angels living in the sun. And 100% evidence for evolution. Evolution isn't an opinion, I am so tired of people treating it as such. It is a fact. But even with the FACT of evolution, there is still room for your gods existence, one does not disprove the other, so stop refuting known facts and wasting everyone's time.

Actually, there is scientific evidence. Then, there are interpretations of that evidence. Some of the interpretations suggest that the universe is billions of years old and that evolution is where people came from. Some of the interpretations of the same evidence suggests a short universal age - as short as 6,000 years - and that people simply "popped" into existence without any real evidence of where they came from. And there are other interpretations of that same evidence, as well.

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Quote from: BADecker on August 29, 2014, 08:44:05 PM

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Quote from: BADecker on August 29, 2014, 05:03:59 PM

Quote from: dank on August 29, 2014, 04:58:10 PM

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Quote from: dank on August 29, 2014, 04:51:44 PM

Quote from: CozyLife on August 24, 2014, 05:39:27 PM

God is a fantasy. There's no one person controlling everything. The cosmos is everything in existence and it functions all on it's own. I bow to no god and no man. I simply exist in reality.

God is not a person. God is all people. You're thinking in terms of humanly logic. God is not a being, god is everything that exists. The totality of existence, that which is the universe.

To ignore the existence of something, you must first acknowledge it's existence.

I agree that God is existent in all people. But He also is an identity of His own, much broader that the combined entities that people are.

I'm just saying that god is not one singular personified being. The highest state of god is an infinitely bright singular point of white light and infinite love, as all frequencies together create a white light. I know this because I have seen it, I have felt it and I have became it.

This is the point we might have disagreement on, if we took the time to nail it down. I am saying that God IS a personified being, separate from people, while at the same time being existent, as TRUE God, inside of and as all people. How can this be? I don't have a clue. Sounds almost impossible. Yet this is, if explained and understood correctly, what I believe.

The universe is infinite, there is not one humanoid being that is the only god. We are all gods, all is god. The highest form of god is a singular point of conscious light and love energy, this is universal to all of existence.

In regards to other posters, aliens are gods, just as humans are. The universe is infinite, it always has been and always will. It may be hard to wrap your head around the concept of infinity, but when you see it for yourself, it all makes sense. Existence never had to be created, it just had to be.

We are people. We barely have any power at all. Such things as infinity, eternity, and the universe are all inclusive. For us, that's all there are.

God is greater. To God the universe is simply like another terrarium. He might have any number of terrariums. We don't know because the universe is all to us. We are hooked into the universe in ways that won't allow us to think outside the box. If we could think outside the box, the universe would include the other things that we could think, the stuff outside the box that we could think of.

God is outside the box of our universe, just as he is inside it at the same time. God has given people some of the attributes of God. One such is the kind of life that people have. Another is existence in eternity one way or another. God is not limited to these or any. He is beyond understanding.

God is not separate from us, we just forgot that we're gods. You can't understand god from a humanly perspective, but you can comprehend god, as it is who we are.

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Quote from: dank on August 29, 2014, 07:14:18 PM

Quote from: BADecker on August 29, 2014, 05:03:59 PM

Quote from: dank on August 29, 2014, 04:58:10 PM

Quote from: BADecker on August 29, 2014, 04:54:47 PM

Quote from: dank on August 29, 2014, 04:51:44 PM

Quote from: CozyLife on August 24, 2014, 05:39:27 PM

God is a fantasy. There's no one person controlling everything. The cosmos is everything in existence and it functions all on it's own. I bow to no god and no man. I simply exist in reality.

God is not a person. God is all people. You're thinking in terms of humanly logic. God is not a being, god is everything that exists. The totality of existence, that which is the universe.

To ignore the existence of something, you must first acknowledge it's existence.

I agree that God is existent in all people. But He also is an identity of His own, much broader that the combined entities that people are.

I'm just saying that god is not one singular personified being. The highest state of god is an infinitely bright singular point of white light and infinite love, as all frequencies together create a white light. I know this because I have seen it, I have felt it and I have became it.

This is the point we might have disagreement on, if we took the time to nail it down. I am saying that God IS a personified being, separate from people, while at the same time being existent, as TRUE God, inside of and as all people. How can this be? I don't have a clue. Sounds almost impossible. Yet this is, if explained and understood correctly, what I believe.

The universe is infinite, there is not one humanoid being that is the only god. We are all gods, all is god. The highest form of god is a singular point of conscious light and love energy, this is universal to all of existence.

In regards to other posters, aliens are gods, just as humans are. The universe is infinite, it always has been and always will. It may be hard to wrap your head around the concept of infinity, but when you see it for yourself, it all makes sense. Existence never had to be created, it just had to be.

The universe is not infinite

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Quote from: dank on August 29, 2014, 07:14:18 PM

Quote from: BADecker on August 29, 2014, 05:03:59 PM

Quote from: dank on August 29, 2014, 04:58:10 PM

Quote from: BADecker on August 29, 2014, 04:54:47 PM

Quote from: dank on August 29, 2014, 04:51:44 PM

Quote from: CozyLife on August 24, 2014, 05:39:27 PM

God is a fantasy. There's no one person controlling everything. The cosmos is everything in existence and it functions all on it's own. I bow to no god and no man. I simply exist in reality.

God is not a person. God is all people. You're thinking in terms of humanly logic. God is not a being, god is everything that exists. The totality of existence, that which is the universe.

To ignore the existence of something, you must first acknowledge it's existence.

I agree that God is existent in all people. But He also is an identity of His own, much broader that the combined entities that people are.

I'm just saying that god is not one singular personified being. The highest state of god is an infinitely bright singular point of white light and infinite love, as all frequencies together create a white light. I know this because I have seen it, I have felt it and I have became it.

This is the point we might have disagreement on, if we took the time to nail it down. I am saying that God IS a personified being, separate from people, while at the same time being existent, as TRUE God, inside of and as all people. How can this be? I don't have a clue. Sounds almost impossible. Yet this is, if explained and understood correctly, what I believe.

The universe is infinite, there is not one humanoid being that is the only god. We are all gods, all is god. The highest form of god is a singular point of conscious light and love energy, this is universal to all of existence.

In regards to other posters, aliens are gods, just as humans are. The universe is infinite, it always has been and always will. It may be hard to wrap your head around the concept of infinity, but when you see it for yourself, it all makes sense. Existence never had to be created, it just had to be.

Dank you aren't allowed in this thread, go back to asking for your loan so you can bring about a "elevation of the human consciousness through a music festival"

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