Topic: SCRIPT GENIUS WANTED for ALT COIN PARTNERSHIP [Click Thread To View Coins!!!] (Read 3556 times)

Same here , please send me through pm your skype address so I'll add you and we can talk about it.

Hey, I have the skills you're looking for. Email [email protected] if you want to chat.

because its too damn expensive..
and holders who don't need to cash out - hold
and most who saw how genius it is only recently - can't buy in..

it's probably open source for a reason :-)

I have a decent idea for using a coin pegged straight to a fiat currency. Do one of these concurrent transactions with the bitcoin client type of coins and keep all the ledgers in there exclusively. This is a bit rough and may have already been mentioned but I believe that is the only way you can really get away with making a coin without giving people something to mine.

CaptEmulation

Many thanks for you very interesting and thought provoking in-put. You are absolutely right in that my strengths are on the branding and creative side and it is the reason why I want to team up with an experienced DEV to tackle the issues you have outlined in partnership with me. Ideally I am looking for a DEV who is inspired by my ideas and can see they are worth working on in parallel to their other projects. I understand your concerns but these are actually issues I want the DEV to guide me on. This post is about finding a DEV who sees the projects as interesting and challenging.

Are you a DEV yourself or would you be so kind as to make a personal introduction to one so I can present my ideas.

Again, thank you for taking time to outline your concerns. This is steep learning curve for me and all in=put is appreciated,

rgds,
steve

OK fair enough, everyone here hates fiat.  But what are you offering here over bitcoin?  Why should someone choose to direct hashing power at your blockchains?  What value is provided by a "Stockcoin" to buy stocks and a "JPYCoin" to buy yen?  How will these be more successful than just bitcoin?  What is your plan for "colored addresses" and the related contracting protocol being developed in bitcoin?  All I see here is some websites and some logos-- but what, if any, markets are you creating?  You do realize that do any of this, not only do you need a "genius programmer"-- you need a team of them and a few hundred mil to create, secure and back the markets it seems you want to create.

So let's take JPYcoin as an example.  How would this be pegged in any way to the JPY market?  Crytocurrencies have fixed inflation, not so for fiat.  Are you going to put up the millions of yen to establish a market?  Is your plan is to pay people in yen who mine your JPYcoin and then, where does your profit come in?  I'm really at a complete and total loss on how you expect this to work.  Is your plan for a P2P distributed market using colored addresses and the latest unreleased bitcoin contract protocol?  Or do you plan a funded central exchange?

It's one thing to make a joke/fun coin like funkycoin/bombcoin/dogecoin (in which case why are you hiring a genius?)-- but an entirely different matter to actually create a real functioning financial market using a brand new cryptocurrency.  My suggestion is to take a look at what is being developed around colored coins, and put your noggin' thinking about how you can build on top of bitcoin to create these markets. 

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/chromawallet-colored-coins-issue-and-trade-private-currenciesstocksbonds-106373
https://bitcoil.co.il/BitcoinX.pdf
http://coloredcoins.org/

If I had been on top of Bitcoin from the start I possibly could have done, but Bitcoin already has a very strong and slick brand ID. I've actually just started another thread which is more focused on advice than finding a DEV partner and I talk about the success of the Bitcoin 'B' there'

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/branding-your-alt-coin-tips-advice-and-discussion-thread-390797

Of course, if invited to do so I would gladly have a stab but there is already a great bitcoin 'coin' image [see below] that I see is used in many places including Ebay.
Bitcoin is in my opinion spot on with its branding.

This is a great photo and if I had the money myself I'd do samples of my coins then photograph them for that additional authentic feel, as this is a photo of a physical bitcoin it has that real look with scratches and imperfections which I love adding to the authenticity and strength of the brand/image.

http://thestatelessman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/bitcoin-logo-3d.jpg


Steve

The genius devs have already built the genius code under the hood, but are you capable of wrapping it in brands and skins and marketing campaigns that will make it catch on?

You don't need a developer, you just need a user interface editor, which, conveniently for you, QT supposedly has.

I have no idea what exactly it does, but presumably it aims at being like CSS is supposed to be on the web, an abstraction layer that lets graphic designers screw around with the cosmetics without needing programmers, code rewrites, and stuff like that?

A skinning system, or something like that?

If so you should be able to basically proceed through all the most well-established coins buying up some then releasing an awesome new theme, skin, logo and so on and so on, and make fortunes.

I'd still suggest that you start with Bitcoin, because if you double the value of a puny alt you make a few people a few thousand bucks richer maybe, but if you double the value of bitcoins you make lots of people a heck of a lot richer. So the scale of gratitude possible seems like it would maybe be a heck of a lot higher with Bitcoin.

Its about disposable income. Seems like a lot of folks playing with alts don't have any disposable income, and you'd have to multiply the value of their alt some massive number of times before they'd begin to come close to having some disposable income.

But with BItcoin tons of people have lots of disposable income and many many many more will have even if the value only doubles.

Even just doubling the value of Bitcoin would likely create many people who would be able to afford to pay the 3 bitcoins you want for branding an alt for hundreds upon hundreds of alts if proliferating umpteen alts is actually a good thing to do.

(I mean one person paying for umpteen brandings, not oodles of people able to afford one branding each.)

For example if you release a super-attractive branding of Bitcoin that doubles the value of bitcoins I could afford to buy a branding for each of the child chains that one merged mines alongside it. (That is to say, NaMeCoin, DeVCoin, GRouPcoin, IXCoin, I0Coin, CoiLedCoin and GeistGeld.)

-MarkM-

EDITED: Listed the child chains that are merged mined alongside Bitcoin.

I agree that the image is important for widespread adoption but how will you reach that point without getting through the necessary hoops of getting the information to them?

This is a factor today but as the market grows a branding will become more important, It is no coincidence that companies spend billions a year on brand consultancy and let specialist companies handle branding and logo development. Large companies will have abook produced for them which will outline all the rules of their corporate ID. We take design for granted but there is a science and art to communicating your brand through design and media.

I think a problem here may be targeting. Many people who are knowledgeable about coins care very little for the packaging. The real limit to getting a coin into real circulation is getting to the knowledgeable people first. They inform other people and get the idea out there because it interests them. There is no simple package to shine up like a phone. There is a UI to shine up but that won't be enough to sell knowledgeable people on your product. Once it has gained a moderate audience it can be the thing that drives it to the more uninformed users but there is no easy channel to get it to them. Companies like Apple already had products and funds available. They were going to make more products anyways, they just made those products better and gave it a unified brand name (iPhone, iPad, iCloud, ect.). You have no existing channels of distribution or income in this field. That is a very large barrier to overcome. When Apple started it was because they had a unique, competitively priced product to ride on (Apple I). I also agree that you should try to start at another product that already has a following to try and overcome these problems or find a way to overcome these barriers to beginning your product.

Thx Mark for the input even though there is a strong undertone of skepticism as to the value of what I bring to the table and whether a top DEV would give me the time of day.

I have read the Paul Graham link [quote above] which is very interesting and it highlights the importance of why image and product design are so important. Apple were there first company to understand this in the programming world and to this day they have made this a key parameter that drives their evolution. Apple have made 'beautiful design' a core brand value... it took the return of Steve Jobs who understood the importance of design to get them back on track and look where they are now!

Look how even Microsoft and Samsung have learned from the interface and product design of Apple only finally catching up in recent years

You have actually identified the exact reason why I come to this community from the design angle and what this thread is focused on achieving and the quote below speaks for itself in that give a DEV a clear defined 'end' vision and the carrot of the brand already looking like a quality product will give the project it's own momentum towards that vision.


The crystalising of the 'skin' and creating something that is bespoke, real and beautiful gives a clarified vision to both the DEV and the end user. Design is an integral part of creating the brand and the brand's success. I am looking for a DEV who recognises this and is inspired by the brands I am developing. Of course there will be many onlookers, watchers and haters who are sceptical like yourself of my motives and the value I bring but my mission is simply to find a DEV who is inspired to take the projects on.

Granted, at the moment they are just 'skins' but like a coder I bring a lifetime of experience to create each one of these skins so I'm not just knocking out new coins and ideas with clip art. If you look at current ALT coins on the market there are many that are achieving their moment of success and their visual brands are no more than crap clip art. When the big players come in to the market these brands will be eclipsed and die off unless they get a good ID 'makeover' which I predict many of them will do as they become more successful.

It is easy to find the genius Devs: they are the ones dedicated to genius projects, busily hiring all the best coders they can get hold of because there is no way they can write all of the code for the genius projects all by themselves.

You might consider Jed for example, who created MtGox and sold it, created Ripple and is rumoured to have moved on from that too.

What did he move on to, though? I do not know. Evidently not to your genius projects?

The genius devs seem to usually pay top dollar to get the best coders and cryptographers and such, maybe you can convince them that it might also be worth their while to hire the best graphical artists, logo designers, catchy-phrase makers or whatever else it is that you do.

Do you also do marketing, by the way? As in high clickthrough ratio landing pages, high response email campaigns, maybe even to vast targeted email lists that you have built up during your career?

Maybe if you demonstrate your value by helping a genius dev maximise the value of the genius project that is currently taking up all their time you can then attempt to convince them that your genius projects deserve a place closer to the front of their queue of genius projects yet to be worked on rather than falling way off the end beyond all the projects they already have lined up but just don't have time to get to... (Until, maybe, a genius like you accelerates their current project's success so they can move on through the queue faster?)

I think there is an article out there somewhere though about the ability to even recognise genius devs (aka hackers), I will try to find it for you.

EDIT: Maybe it was this one: http://www.paulgraham.com/gh.html

-MarkM-

markm


Many thanks for your very thorough and considered analysis of the current project position. I take it all on board and agree with much of what you say. Without a smart DEV coins become 'just another coin' that has very little intrinsic value.

This thread is not about finding someone to simply clone a current coin and chuck some more coins out there. The ideas I have are innovative and require more than cloning and patching. I understand that in a fast evolving market place like this I have to move fast and in the short term if I cannot identify a genius I may have to move my project on with someone skillful who is still on the learning curve but like me to passionate about what they do, hungry to learn, develop innovate, solve problems and troubleshoot successfully.

As the thread title states I am looking for a genius... not a motor mechanic from the local garage to build me a kit car, but a lambourghini engineeer who understands the importance that without the vision of the chassis designer the engine is nothing more than a engine on wheels. Great for other engineers to appreciate the craftsmanship of the engine but for it to turn end user heads the product design is an essential part of brand's success.

Yes it is true, an engineer who makes the engine can buy the services of a chassis designer and vice versa but in this instance I am looking for a partner who I can work with. This is the simple reason the thread has been started, not just to air my ideas or get feedback on them even though this is very useful.

So I keep coming back to same question as this is what the thread is about. Do you know any genius DEVS personally who you could me a n introduction to?

Thx,
Steve

For these maybe either the Mastercoin platform or the Bitshares platform might work, depending on whether either of those platforms does turn out to actually work itself.

Both platforms have among their target features the ability to attempt to "peg" a currency to something.

Thus if either works it ought to be possible to run your twelve fiat-related currencies as actually being pegged to the corresponding fiats.

Japanese Yen Coin for example makes little or no sense if in fact it is entirely unrelated to Japanese Yen.

Mastercoin and Bitshares are two different technology platforms aiming to implement such relationships.

Of the two and assuming they actually turn out to work, which remains to be seen, I tend to prefer bitshares simply because Mastercoin calls for "trusted oracles". However they also plan "contracts for difference" as an alternative approach; I am not sure yet whether their "contracts for difference" also involve oracles or whether, like certain setups of "long coins and short coins", they will operate without needing to know the "actual prices" of things or even whether markets even exist for such things.

(With "long coins and short coins" people just trade the long and short coins, the system needs no information about what prices the things being shorted or longed might or might not have out in the world, it is possible for both players to profit even since each might know of a place where they can get a good price for one of the things, so that each ends up with the thing he or she can get the best price for. There is no need for them to reveal to each other what those best prices are nor where or how one would go about getting such a price. At most you could deduce, if the players are rational, the approximate prices those specific actors "must presumably think they can get somewhere" for the thing they choose to walk away with. Like "Oh gosh he paid that much for one of those? He must know a place that pays a lot more for those than people in my neighborhood do!" kind of thing.)

-MarkM-

reserved

So far you sound too much like all the kiddies throwing out coin after coin after coin to crash and burn.

The impression I get is that you want to churn out even more crapcoins, but make them look slicker so they sucker more fools into losing their money.

Before even one coin is actually up and running and secured already you are on about more different coins.

No ASICs taped out yet to secure the first one, less than half of the hashing power still - none at all that you have mentioned, actually - and already you seem to be moving on to yet another coin.

So basically a serial scammer with a slick con-man plan to paper-over the intrinsic fundamental lack of ability to actually secure even one coin with a plan to keep churning out newer slicker scams leaving a trail of victims holding a series of pretty bags.

The entire cryptocoin community all working together is incapable of even just supporting the coins we already have, let alone securing them, yet your plan is to kick all the victims of all those ponzi schemes to the kerb and wow them with newer better ponzi schemes that will victimise more of them faster and maybe even bilk them out of more money per victim than the existing scams.

Sounds like a scammer olympics in which you aim to be the slickest scammer of all...

How about putting your skills to work doing something constructive, like rescuing some of the victims already strewn all over the landscape, putting shiny attractive skins onto something that might actually be secure and worthwhile, basically use your skills to try to ensure that the public does not get sucked in by more and more scams but instead recognises at a glance the most secure places to store their wealth and finds them more attractive than the scams constantly being spewed out?

-MarkM-

A good way to cash in on your skills then could be to develop good branding / creatives / logo / etc for an existing coin that already does actually work and is actually secure.

There is such a wide spread of coins available that, as you yourself say, need skills such as yours applied to them.

Some of them you can pick up lots of dirt cheap.

If as you seem to think your skills can enhance the value of a coin, you should be able to make fortunes just picking up large numbers of dirt cheap coins, giving their clients, websites and so on a facelift, nice new logo, landing-pages, motto (I forget the name, a catchy string of words) and so on.

If you cannot do that then I would have to wonder about your ability to carry-through, to continue making the brand's "creative" fresh and new and appealing and responsive to what is going on around it. (Like for example how DOGE comes out with new timely memes in response to what is going on in the world even such things as religious or secular holiday-seasons and such...)

The under the hood stuff well heck as you say the end user just cares that it works.

So it would make more sense maybe to go to town doing awesome branding for Bitcoin itself, that already works and is closer than any other coin to actually managing to secure its blockchain, than to waste your awesome abilities on something that is vulnerable to attack.

-MarkM-

I have now added photos of the coins to the the front page of this post.
Steve

Funnily enough I did look up FuckCoin.com a few weeks ago and it had already been registered.
Guessing you could still pick up PissCoin.com and WhoreCoin.com although although I havn't looked myself.