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suchmoon

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ben takip ettim saatte 4 ödeme geliyor.buda %32 %33 yapar .az derken 0.05ve 0.06 kadarmı çekelim?

Come on, you could at least copy-paste this into Google translate

If you're asking if "rewards" are 33% lower than the site shows - yes they are. Two out of six rewards every hour are disappearing.

dyask

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[quote author=cryptodevil link=topic=444495.msg12457737#msg12457737 date=1442587864
So, dyask, do you want to keep derailing the conversation and insist that there is some way you can call their 'Fractional Mining' a 'best case', even though it is utterly meaningless to the conversation as the entire operation is an illegal fraud, or can we get back to the business of informing people sufficiently about the actual and useful facts so that the community of people who have lost a significant sum of money might find a way to track these fuckers down and see them brought to justice, possibly recovering their stolen 'investment' along the way?
[/quote]

This is an open forum. You don't own the conversation and I don't either. Many discussions and points of view are valid.

You are free to pursue legal actions and I even pointed out where others were organizing such an action. However you are not a court of law and none of us have all the facts. We also don't know what will happen. One place were people are starting to look at legal actions is: https://scrypt-cc.slack.com/messages/marcelo_suit/

Now I'm giving up for the day as it is very late. Feel free to verbally flail away to your heart's content! Wink

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you claim they have fractional mining. we dispute your claim of any mining. of course burden of proof falls onto the proponent of the claim when a dispute arises. you make an appeal to ignorance. like cryptodevil said in this "best scenario" this would make it a scam anyway

good thing we can ignore this exercise due to evidence of absence & proof of impossibility. see cryptodevils calculations. i guess you dispute the math. since you like facts so much: where is your counter calculations to negate the proof of impossibility. that would give lots of credibility for your claims. before you do that anything you say is just word salad

if i remember right you were involved & defended GAW / paycoin scam too. at least they had handful of real proof to muddy the waters

ps:
could you clarify your negative trust you gave to suchmoon? it looks like the reference link content doesnt match with your comment

dyask

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artık konumuza gelelim.ödemeler çok yavaşladı böyle devam edecekmi acaba?birde ödemeler rastgelemi yapılıyor?dyask cevap verirsen sevinirim

Since the hack the awards have only been reduced. Started at 20% and now less than 10%. You can try to sell for very little what you paid and you might be able to withdraw. The other choice is to wait until something happens. Assuming something does happen that could be months down the road. It is a very grim situation.

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Dyask,

You are the one who keeps insisting on citing 'Fractional Mining' as some sort of 'best case' scenario, when it absolutely is not a positive thing in any way whatsoever.

You are the one who keeps insisting that scrypt.cc is 'only' a matter of a couple of hundred bitcoin, when they have stolen thousands and thousands of coins, making them a multi-million-dollar criminal enterprise.

You are the one who appears to actually want to downplay and minimise the very serious nature of this criminal operation.

EVERY SINGLE USER WHO HAS LOST MONEY TO SCRYPT.CC IS ENTITLED TO A FULL REFUND
THIS INCLUDES ANYONE WHO BOUGHT 'KHS'/'MHS' AND SOLD AT A NET LOSS.

Now, consider the thousands of bitcoin in 'profit' scrypt.cc have stolen, each and every coin belongs to their 'investors'. Millions of dollars of bitcoin which is owed back to their 'investors'. Once their 'investors' realise they are legally entitled to get their money back, even if they traded 'badly' on the 'KHS'/'MHS' 'market' because the whole thing was a criminal scam, they may mobilise to do so.

So, dyask, do you want to keep derailing the conversation and insist that there is some way you can call their 'Fractional Mining' a 'best case', even though it is utterly meaningless to the conversation as the entire operation is an illegal fraud, or can we get back to the business of informing people sufficiently about the actual and useful facts so that the community of people who have lost a significant sum of money might find a way to track these fuckers down and see them brought to justice, possibly recovering their stolen 'investment' along the way?

dyask

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Quote from: cryptodevil on September 18, 2015, 09:09:45 AM

Quote from: dyask on September 18, 2015, 08:06:58 AM

Best case: Fractional mining ... which is pretty bad. (Only really applies pre-hack)

Let me explain something to you, dyask, because you appear to be conflating the notion of 'fractional mining' with 'fractional banking'.

'Fractional Banking' is when the collective total of a Bank's customer deposits exceed the total cash balance the bank possesses. It essentially means that should there be a 'run' on the Bank, a lot of customers would not be able to withdraw all their funds. While this is serious it is nothing like the concept of 'fractional mining' other than the word 'Fractional' because the customers are not 'investing' their funds (generally speaking) if they are simply holding their money at the bank for security/convenience.

'Fractional Mining' is when an organisation has sold more mining hashrate than it actually is in possession of and utilises manipulative and deceptive practices in order to perpetuate the fraud and keep it running so that more people can be persuaded to 'invest', believing it to be an actual investment product, high-risk or otherwise.

This does not make it simply, 'pretty bad', it makes it an absolute criminal enterprise and the operators of this enterprise are guilty of fraudulent misrepresentation, meaning that every single satoshi of 'profit' they make, all those thousands of bitcoin they have sent to their own wallets over the months, are effectively stolen funds.

Every single 'investor' who bought these fictitious, 'KHS'/'MHS' is entitled to receive their money back in full. That is tens of thousands of bitcoin.

So, no, this is not some 'paltry' couple of hundred bitcoin issue, it is a major fraud.

I am not equating fractional banking with fractional mining. Fractional mining isn't a defense and I'm not defending it as being okay. You on the other hand are going on wild tangents over word choices you disagree with.

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Quote from: dyask on September 18, 2015, 08:06:58 AM

Best case: Fractional mining ... which is pretty bad. (Only really applies pre-hack)

Let me explain something to you, dyask, because you appear to be conflating the notion of 'fractional mining' with 'fractional banking'.

'Fractional Banking' is when the collective total of a Bank's customer deposits exceed the total cash balance the bank possesses. It essentially means that should there be a 'run' on the Bank, a lot of customers would not be able to withdraw all their funds. While this is serious it is nothing like the concept of 'fractional mining' other than the word 'Fractional' because the customers are not 'investing' their funds (generally speaking) if they are simply holding their money at the bank for security/convenience.

'Fractional Mining' is when an organisation has sold more mining hashrate than it actually is in possession of and utilises manipulative and deceptive practices in order to perpetuate the fraud and keep it running so that more people can be persuaded to 'invest', believing it to be an actual investment product, high-risk or otherwise.

This does not make it simply, 'pretty bad', it makes it an absolute criminal enterprise and the operators of this enterprise are guilty of fraudulent misrepresentation, meaning that every single satoshi of 'profit' they make, all those thousands of bitcoin they have sent to their own wallets over the months, are effectively stolen funds.

Every single 'investor' who bought these fictitious, 'KHS'/'MHS' is entitled to receive their money back in full. That is tens of thousands of bitcoin.

So, no, this is not some 'paltry' couple of hundred bitcoin issue, it is a major fraud.

dyask

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Quote from: ThePhwner on September 18, 2015, 08:30:28 AM

Quote from: dyask on September 18, 2015, 08:06:58 AM

Quote from: D4RK5T4R on September 18, 2015, 08:02:51 AM

Right, everyone unbunch their panties, here is the topic:

Scrypt.CC | Scrypt Cloud Mining

discuss

Best case: Fractional mining ... which is pretty bad. (Only really applies pre-hack)
Post Hack: Totally terrible place to be and people there are trapped because WDs barely work. Theft has become a major issue. Awards are less than 10% what they should be.

WARNING: Those are my views and for that I've been branded a defender of scrypt.cc. Grin

How is continuing to advocate for fractional mining not a defense of this scam and an obfuscation of facts? This is the basis for my negative trust rating.

How is claiming fractional mining defending or obfuscation? I can only assume you don't understand the meaning. If indeed fractional mining is what is going on then it means the KHs was sold for which there wasn't any mining backing it up. Your claim seems to be that there isn't any mining at all and clearly there isn't any more proof for that position than there is proof for the 850 GHs of mining.

ThePhwner

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Quote from: dyask on September 18, 2015, 08:06:58 AM

Quote from: D4RK5T4R on September 18, 2015, 08:02:51 AM

Right, everyone unbunch their panties, here is the topic:

Scrypt.CC | Scrypt Cloud Mining

discuss

Best case: Fractional mining ... which is pretty bad. (Only really applies pre-hack)
Post Hack: Totally terrible place to be and people there are trapped because WDs barely work. Theft has become a major issue. Awards are less than 10% what they should be.

WARNING: Those are my views and for that I've been branded a defender of scrypt.cc. Grin

How is continuing to advocate for fractional mining not a defense of this scam and an obfuscation of facts? This is the basis for my negative trust rating.

suchmoon

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Quote from: D4RK5T4R on September 18, 2015, 08:02:51 AM

Right, everyone unbunch their panties, here is the topic:

Scrypt.CC | Scrypt Cloud Mining

discuss

Ah crap... how about this:

Quote from: dyask on September 18, 2015, 07:16:57 AM

With the ASICs it has been very different than the GPU days and currently it is acting as a scam.

It's not "acting as a scam", it's a scam, i.e. taking money from users under false pretenses. This is me discussing dyask's statement and not preventing a discussion.

Quote from: dyask on September 18, 2015, 08:06:58 AM

Best case: Fractional mining ... which is pretty bad. (Only really applies pre-hack)

Nope. There never was any proof of mining, fractional or not. This is me discussing dyask's statement and not preventing a discussion.

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dyask

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Quote from: Karpeon on September 18, 2015, 08:05:50 AM

Ok guys I got it. I won't put another coin in it. Point made by almost everyone. In the meantime, if somebody know anything about WDS, or Admin showing up, or MHS prices, please post so I can make my life a little less miserable in terms of BTC gambling. The only difference between scrypt.cc and all the others that stole from me at the same time, is that the site is still online and I can only hope for... I don't know...whatever... Now I know exactly what to do with my BTC, but I have none of them...

A lot of people are watching for news.
#scrypt.cc at something like webchat.freenode.net.
sccstats.com also watches.
https://scrypt-cc.slack.com/messages/scrypt_cc/ (But you need to be approved there, I think)

dyask

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Quote from: D4RK5T4R on September 18, 2015, 08:02:51 AM

Right, everyone unbunch their panties, here is the topic:

Scrypt.CC | Scrypt Cloud Mining

discuss

Best case: Fractional mining ... which is pretty bad. (Only really applies pre-hack)
Post Hack: Totally terrible place to be and people there are trapped because WDs barely work. Theft has become a major issue. Awards are less than 10% what they should be.

WARNING: Those are my views and for that I've been branded a defender of scrypt.cc. Grin

Karpeon

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Ok guys I got it. I won't put another coin in it. Point made by almost everyone. In the meantime, if somebody know anything about WDS, or Admin showing up, or MHS prices, please post so I can make my life a little less miserable in terms of BTC gambling. The only difference between scrypt.cc and all the others that stole from me at the same time, is that the site is still online and I can only hope for... I don't know...whatever... Now I know exactly what to do with my BTC, but I have none of them...

D4RK5T4R

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Right, everyone unbunch their panties, here is the topic:

Scrypt.CC | Scrypt Cloud Mining

discuss

suchmoon

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butthurt

So you're saying bitillionaire and clownius are yonce's alts, who waited 10 and 15 months respectively until you posted in Paycoin in scrypt.cc threads so that they could leave you feedback for... something or other... that happened last year?

That feedback has mostly been in place over a year. yonce though is very vindictive but as you can see his feedback isn't trusted.

I can see a bunch of yonce's feedbacks, that is clear. But you responded to this screenshot:

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With this:

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My untrusted feedback came from yonce and his sock puppet accounts.

Are you saying that bitillionaire and clownius are yonce's alts? Because it sounds like you are. There is nobody else on your untrusted feedback list.

Quote from: dyask on September 18, 2015, 07:25:32 AM

So put a cork in you insults and try to get back on topic.

Great advice. I take it you'll now stop picking fights with nearly everyone in the thread and derailing it with your personal trust analysis.

Next one gets a "Report to moderator" click, much as I hate to bother them with this shit.

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butthurt

So you're saying bitillionaire and clownius are yonce's alts, who waited 10 and 15 months respectively until you posted in Paycoin in scrypt.cc threads so that they could leave you feedback for... something or other... that happened last year?

ThePhwner, can you repost dyask's feedback with some other wording and some other reference, there's plenty to choose from. Like this being a "small" scam, or the scam happening after the "hack", or the 160 GH/s "hashrate" or whatever. Let's see if he can keep his word if you remove what he perceives as a lie. If he doesn't I guess you can put another one in for that and be done with it.

Done. Found a much better reference link to use. Thanks.

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Quote from: cryptodevil on September 18, 2015, 02:27:12 AM

Wow, dyask, you are really starting to confirm my suspicions that you are either a shill apologist for scrypt.cc or you are autistic.

My suspicions about you are that you are just trying to cause trouble. Well I have news for you. Anyone can pick and dice another's words to make it look bad. That doesn't take any skill at all. So put a cork in you insults and try to get back on topic.

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You also need to do your homework! My untrusted feedback came from yonce and his sock puppet accounts. He was actively recruiting people to sign up to HYIPs using his referral links. His come-on was that he was an expert and would advise people when to stop. I tried to put a stop to his referral links and was largely successful. But I got his untrusted negative feedback. However, he just pops up with new accounts from time to time. I got the negative feedback form him for following the rules of the forum.

So what about it? My offer is firm if you don't want to have trusted negative feedback just let me know and remove the lie you put on my feedback. I do not support scams, but I don't support lies about potential scams either. The truth is enough and when you don't know the truth you shouldn't make up stuff or use stuff once you find out it is not true. I don't care about minor wording errors that happens to everyone.

So far you have swore at me, tried to insult me and lied in the feedback about me. All I did to you was point out the part of data that could be easily proved to be untrue. There were other points I could pick at, but there is a chance they are could turn out to be true, so I left those alone. There are a lot of things we don't know about, but claiming the impossible isn't necessary.

Up until the hack scrypt.cc was questionable and definitely high risk. Since the hack it has turned really ugly. It might come back and people might get out, but right now it is a horrible place to be stuck. I was at scrypt.cc before you even had an account here at bitcointalk. There is a lot of history there.

If you choose to live your lie, so be it. Wink

*Yawn*

Once again, I've posted proof and you've posted drivel. Care to refute the facts in evidence once again? Did Dogie do another thread I missed about your alleged sock puppet accounts? Cause the one I posted is full of proof, just like the thread CryptoDevil started is full of actual factual proof of this scam. The thing you seem to be missing is that I can back my assertions with facts; your history on this thread alone makes me think CryptoDevil is right about you being autistic or something similar to it.

And where exactly did I "lie" in my feedback? Kid you need some thicker skin for as much as you post on this forum. And I say "kid," because it's the sign of a child to lash out with the ferocity you do, then to whine about being insulted, having negative feedback, blah blah blah. You say I get upset because people don't listen to me? Look at you, fella.

And no, ScryptCC was not legit up until the hack. There was a week where LTC mining diff dropped 5%, LTC price went up 200% +, and ScryptCC payouts dropped. Well before the hack, I believe after the "data center move." If that wasn't a huge red flag, then you don't understand mining.

Got any facts? Come back and start over when you do.

Scrypt.cc paid out in BTC. To understand the ups and down of the payouts you had to not only look at difficulty but the exchange rate of BTC/LTC. Furthermore the idea behind scrypt.cc is what it was mining the most profitable scrypt coins, as least as much as is could. It was pretty complex to guess. However since the hack it hasn't followed any of those rules.

As for you lies: "Shill for ScryptCC." That is a flat out lie. I'm not paid by scrypt.cc, encouraged by it or in any way connected to other than having accounts there. Those accounts are hopeless losses at this point. I realize is standard procedure to call someone you don't agree with a shill, doesn't make it true.

"Admits to being a long-standing investor in a known scam and defends the site to this day."
Well I'm a long time investor but pointing out falsehoods being thrown about it isn't really defending it. "known scam" is debatable, it clearly wasn't a scam in March of 2014, however the mining and site were very small compared to now. With the ASICs it has been very different than the GPU days and currently it is acting as a scam.

"Blatantly lies about performance of the site in the face of much evidence to the contrary."
Flat out lie. The only point I've made about performance is pointing out the days to breakeven is controlled by the market there. That is 100% true, although that point is currently moot.

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Wow, dyask, you are really starting to confirm my suspicions that you are either a shill apologist for scrypt.cc or you are autistic. Which part of the following contradiction which was highlighted in bold a number of times do you think is not a contradiction?

Quote from: dyask on September 17, 2015, 05:30:16 PM

You claim I contradicting myself but fail to point out what the contradiction is. So much for your logic.

Quote from: dyask on September 17, 2015, 09:30:56 AM

I haven't downplayed anything. I simply don't share the same views. I find your use of vulgar language and insults to be also tiresome.

As far as scams go, scrypt.cc is really small compared to LTCgear, GAW or Mt.Gox.

Is it that you can't see the contradiction? Is your autism such that you don't recognise how badly you are presenting yourself in this thread?

Or are you more involved in this scam than simply being a defrauded 'investor' and this whole schtick you are playing of posting rambling deflection exactly that, deflection?

Quote from: ?? on ??

Up until the hack scrypt.cc was questionable and definitely high risk. Since the hack it has turned really ugly. It might come back and people might get out, but right now it is a horrible place to be stuck. I was at scrypt.cc before you even had an account here at bitcointalk. There is a lot of history there.

See, the thing is, even before the 'hack' the same math which I used (see the link in my signature) to prove scrypt.cc was lying about their mining was still applicable evidence proving they were lying about their mining. So there was no 'questionable' about it, they were fraudulently misrepresenting their operation and what they claimed to be selling/trading.

That you, persistently, appear to want to keep downplaying the scale of the criminal fraud, while ignoring the facts of the thousands of btc which were fraudulently stolen from 'investors' over the last several months, really is becoming noticeable behind your rambling misuse of logic and reasoning.

I stand by my observation, you are either autistic and mentally unable to see how your posts actually read, or you are intentionally behaving in this manner in order to distract from the central issue, namely, that scrypt.cc has stolen millions of dollars worth of bitcoin from people by fraudulent misrepresentation.

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