The problem is, dyask, that you cite objective reasoning as your main motivator behind your assertions about scrypt.cc, yet you clearly fail to apply it correctly, which usually implies intentional bias. This is the reason why you are being challenged so vociferously, because your attempt to come across as analytical ends up reading like a veiled apologist.
What is wrong with trying to be objective? I'm not making assertions either but I guess you don't really understand what an assertion is.
As far as applying my knowledge, how would you know what I'm doing? I'm one of the few that managed to get out of BTCarbs whole, maybe I was lucky but I didn't do buy just screaming scam, scam, scam! For the record the BTCArbs admin that paid some people back, claimed is was intended to be real and not a scam at all. With LTCgear, I'm in vastly deeper than here and that is mainly because some of the people here screaming scam about scrypt.cc were singing LTCgears praise. That one burns but I'm going after my losses there multiple ways. LTCgear stopped paying last December.
With scrypt.cc things look really bad, I'll grant you that. We don't know what is really going on there but lately it has just been getting worse. I've had many chats with Marcello the Admin there in the past and I don't believe he is out to hurt people, however, I don't know if he is in control. It fact it would appear that whoever is currently running scrypt.cc has no problems with outright theft. I'll take steps, but my current focus is just to minimize losses. This could play out for many months.
At no point have I ever not claimed these types of investments aren't risky. The closest claim to supporting scypt.cc I've ever made, is saying a much shorter time to breakeven gives people more options for how to manage an investment. However, that doesn't apply to scrypt.cc anymore because it isn't possible to get your investment out easily. Until the "hack" it was always easy to get your money out of scrypt.cc, that was important and something that set it apart in a lot of ways. That when on for well over a year. That has changed and it changes everything. I don't mean the up to 24 hour delay, that could be lived with. I mean getting withdraws is extremely difficult an appears to mostly require a lot of luck.
For the record every BTC related investment I've been involved in has been called a Ponzi, except for the loaning sites which have so many other scam borrowers. That includes all the sites that have been cleared as legit too by providing proof of mining. As an example there people jumping up here and there claiming hashnest is a scam, at least on the hashnest chat.
Seeing a scam is easy. Avoiding them or getting out of them isn't so easy unless you don't diversify.
EDIT: I've been burned before at scrypt.cc and recovered there too. I don't know if this is the end or not, but the hit this time is very minor. Don't invest what you can't afford to use is the best rule to follow on every type of investment.
The problem is that you have a vested interest in keeping the scam going long enough for you to get out. I have no problem calling a spade a spade as I won't let other people hold onto my own funds.
But you complain that people are posting links to collective evidence pointing to why it is a scam because it hinders you from your exit.
Let me ask you this, what cloudmining site have you invested in that hasn't been a Ponzi scheme?
so far I see
BTCarbs - Collapsed
Hashie.co - Collapsed
BTCjam - Collapsed
LTCgear- Collapsed
Scrypt.cc - Collapsing
BTCjam is a lending site and it hasn't collapsed but it is riddled with scams. Hashie.co was only 0.005 BTC, that wasn't an investment, it was a test.
I have a vested interest? Well that is true with LTCgear, but nothing else. With scrypt.cc I'll try just like everyone else to pull out some BTC. Why wouldn't I? What in the world is wrong with that? I'm not trying to keep it going and there is nothing I could do in short order to promote it or stop it. (Long term is different)
However you have missed the bulk of my crypto investments:
CEX.io - At least until the maintenance fee forced everyone to shut down. I used bots there a lot for a while. (I wrote the bots)
PTS/AngleShares - I even wrote my own miner for that one. This has branched in many directions. It was very fast on the i7 processor I used.
Many different investments through Havelock including b.buy & b.sell which are 100% virtual.
Many, many BTC worth of mining rentals not to mention local mining. (After all I wrote my own PTS miner)
Bulk of BTC mining is now at Hashnest because it is cheaper than what I could do.
Tons of BTCjam loans, been scammed a lot there, more than any other place
AMHash which I sold days before it when scam.
GAW where I just gained a little. I could have gained a lot if I has sold out more.
Mining and selling xpy for one week was great! People renting rigs made profits and so di the rig owners .. win/win.
In fact I have turned up my nose at Genesis mining, Mining Sweden and Get Hashing only because the price was so high that I don't they will ever hit breakeven, at least for people that didn't join early.
Anyway if you diversify you are going to be bitten sometimes.
EDIT: I was really against Hashnest when it came out because it was very expensive and there wasn't a market. They added a market for the shares and that made all the difference. Get Hashing is also evolving so what I said about it may no longer apply.
Fair enough, I didn't dig all the way back to the beginning and will ease up a little as I appreciate the detailed response.
I wish Bitcointalk would just do what GetHashing does and if it does not have any proof or seems fishy, that they would just put it on the watchlist as it would pretty much solve this whole scenario.