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Quote from: Blazin604 on January 25, 2015, 08:37:01 PM

Quote from: Automatic Monkey on January 25, 2015, 08:22:03 PM

I think once we get the Shady Bay up and running and have some real commerce done with the coin we'll know a lot better where the improvements need to be. We'll know how much Shadow vs. SDC we need, and what extra communication features the wallet will need to facilitate sales.

Something I've always wanted to see in a wallet is an encrypted shipping info form. You would have fields for an item number, your name and address, and the transaction identifier would be automatically added such that the shipping info would be semi-permanently attached to the coin transaction. Without that a guy who is selling a lot of stuff can get confusion as to what he is expected to send to whom after the payment.

We should have some kind of massive chatbox or irc type deal in the wallets...that would be cool so everyone on the ShadowNET can talk and collaborate with one another. As well as PM people. This should all be built into the wallet. ShadyBay should also be in the wallet. If this happens shadowcash will go to the moon

You know that encrypted peer2peer messaging is already implemented in wallet, right? It might not be exactly groupchat, but for PMs it's enough.

And ShadyBay (huh, we're going with this name now?) will be in wallet as well. Check out the designs.

Yes I was aware of that. One of the problems with the P2P messaging as it exists now is it's semi-volatile, will disappear in 48 hours if the recipient has not had his wallet online. This is probably not a good idea for commerce.

the i2p network idea sounds cool what is that exactly ? If we do implement this can we put in a group IRC chat in there as well ?

Isn't IRC already reasonably secure? 20 years ago it was a pretty rough place.

For shadowy-type stuff secure 1-on-1 communication might be more useful. For business it will allow you to ascertain that the person you're talking to is the one sending you the money and vice versa. This would be awesome in a mobile wallet.

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Quote from: Blazin604 on January 25, 2015, 09:28:43 PM

Quote from: Automatic Monkey on January 25, 2015, 09:22:09 PM

Quote from: Blazin604 on January 25, 2015, 08:37:01 PM

Quote from: Automatic Monkey on January 25, 2015, 08:22:03 PM

I think once we get the Shady Bay up and running and have some real commerce done with the coin we'll know a lot better where the improvements need to be. We'll know how much Shadow vs. SDC we need, and what extra communication features the wallet will need to facilitate sales.

Something I've always wanted to see in a wallet is an encrypted shipping info form. You would have fields for an item number, your name and address, and the transaction identifier would be automatically added such that the shipping info would be semi-permanently attached to the coin transaction. Without that a guy who is selling a lot of stuff can get confusion as to what he is expected to send to whom after the payment.

We should have some kind of massive chatbox or irc type deal in the wallets...that would be cool so everyone on the ShadowNET can talk and collaborate with one another. As well as PM people. This should all be built into the wallet. ShadyBay should also be in the wallet. If this happens shadowcash will go to the moon

You know that encrypted peer2peer messaging is already implemented in wallet, right? It might not be exactly groupchat, but for PMs it's enough.

And ShadyBay (huh, we're going with this name now?) will be in wallet as well. Check out the designs.

Yes I was aware of that. One of the problems with the P2P messaging as it exists now is it's semi-volatile, will disappear in 48 hours if the recipient has not had his wallet online. This is probably not a good idea for commerce.

the i2p network idea sounds cool what is that exactly ? If we do implement this can we put in a group IRC chat in there as well ?

http://www.shadowtalk.org/topic/310/a-shadow-social-network-built-into-the-wallet/2

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Quote from: Automatic Monkey on January 25, 2015, 09:22:09 PM

Quote from: Blazin604 on January 25, 2015, 08:37:01 PM

Quote from: Automatic Monkey on January 25, 2015, 08:22:03 PM

I think once we get the Shady Bay up and running and have some real commerce done with the coin we'll know a lot better where the improvements need to be. We'll know how much Shadow vs. SDC we need, and what extra communication features the wallet will need to facilitate sales.

Something I've always wanted to see in a wallet is an encrypted shipping info form. You would have fields for an item number, your name and address, and the transaction identifier would be automatically added such that the shipping info would be semi-permanently attached to the coin transaction. Without that a guy who is selling a lot of stuff can get confusion as to what he is expected to send to whom after the payment.

We should have some kind of massive chatbox or irc type deal in the wallets...that would be cool so everyone on the ShadowNET can talk and collaborate with one another. As well as PM people. This should all be built into the wallet. ShadyBay should also be in the wallet. If this happens shadowcash will go to the moon

You know that encrypted peer2peer messaging is already implemented in wallet, right? It might not be exactly groupchat, but for PMs it's enough.

And ShadyBay (huh, we're going with this name now?) will be in wallet as well. Check out the designs.

Yes I was aware of that. One of the problems with the P2P messaging as it exists now is it's semi-volatile, will disappear in 48 hours if the recipient has not had his wallet online. This is probably not a good idea for commerce.

the i2p network idea sounds cool what is that exactly ? If we do implement this can we put in a group IRC chat in there as well ?

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Quote from: Blazin604 on January 25, 2015, 08:37:01 PM

Quote from: Automatic Monkey on January 25, 2015, 08:22:03 PM

I think once we get the Shady Bay up and running and have some real commerce done with the coin we'll know a lot better where the improvements need to be. We'll know how much Shadow vs. SDC we need, and what extra communication features the wallet will need to facilitate sales.

Something I've always wanted to see in a wallet is an encrypted shipping info form. You would have fields for an item number, your name and address, and the transaction identifier would be automatically added such that the shipping info would be semi-permanently attached to the coin transaction. Without that a guy who is selling a lot of stuff can get confusion as to what he is expected to send to whom after the payment.

We should have some kind of massive chatbox or irc type deal in the wallets...that would be cool so everyone on the ShadowNET can talk and collaborate with one another. As well as PM people. This should all be built into the wallet. ShadyBay should also be in the wallet. If this happens shadowcash will go to the moon

You know that encrypted peer2peer messaging is already implemented in wallet, right? It might not be exactly groupchat, but for PMs it's enough.

And ShadyBay (huh, we're going with this name now?) will be in wallet as well. Check out the designs.

Yes I was aware of that. One of the problems with the P2P messaging as it exists now is it's semi-volatile, will disappear in 48 hours if the recipient has not had his wallet online. This is probably not a good idea for commerce.

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Quote from: Blazin604 on January 25, 2015, 08:37:01 PM

Quote from: Automatic Monkey on January 25, 2015, 08:22:03 PM

I think once we get the Shady Bay up and running and have some real commerce done with the coin we'll know a lot better where the improvements need to be. We'll know how much Shadow vs. SDC we need, and what extra communication features the wallet will need to facilitate sales.

Something I've always wanted to see in a wallet is an encrypted shipping info form. You would have fields for an item number, your name and address, and the transaction identifier would be automatically added such that the shipping info would be semi-permanently attached to the coin transaction. Without that a guy who is selling a lot of stuff can get confusion as to what he is expected to send to whom after the payment.

We should have some kind of massive chatbox or irc type deal in the wallets...that would be cool so everyone on the ShadowNET can talk and collaborate with one another. As well as PM people. This should all be built into the wallet. ShadyBay should also be in the wallet. If this happens shadowcash will go to the moon

You know that encrypted peer2peer messaging is already implemented in wallet, right? It might not be exactly groupchat, but for PMs it's enough.

And ShadyBay (huh, we're going with this name now?) will be in wallet as well. Check out the designs.

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Quote from: Automatic Monkey on January 25, 2015, 08:22:03 PM

I think once we get the Shady Bay up and running and have some real commerce done with the coin we'll know a lot better where the improvements need to be. We'll know how much Shadow vs. SDC we need, and what extra communication features the wallet will need to facilitate sales.

Something I've always wanted to see in a wallet is an encrypted shipping info form. You would have fields for an item number, your name and address, and the transaction identifier would be automatically added such that the shipping info would be semi-permanently attached to the coin transaction. Without that a guy who is selling a lot of stuff can get confusion as to what he is expected to send to whom after the payment.

We should have some kind of massive chatbox or irc type deal in the wallets...that would be cool so everyone on the ShadowNET can talk and collaborate with one another. As well as PM people. This should all be built into the wallet. ShadyBay should also be in the wallet. If this happens shadowcash will go to the moon

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I think once we get the Shady Bay up and running and have some real commerce done with the coin we'll know a lot better where the improvements need to be. We'll know how much Shadow vs. SDC we need, and what extra communication features the wallet will need to facilitate sales.

Something I've always wanted to see in a wallet is an encrypted shipping info form. You would have fields for an item number, your name and address, and the transaction identifier would be automatically added such that the shipping info would be semi-permanently attached to the coin transaction. Without that a guy who is selling a lot of stuff can get confusion as to what he is expected to send to whom after the payment.

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Quote from: Blazin604 on January 25, 2015, 05:41:59 PM

Quote from: child_harold on January 25, 2015, 05:04:57 PM

Quote from: child_harold on January 25, 2015, 04:38:41 PM

Quote from: Blazin604 on January 25, 2015, 05:41:59 PM

Hey child_harold, did you see this part of the thread? Coolstoryteller, along with the slide presentation on the new website seem to suggest that leaving your coins in Shadow may not be the total best thing for the network, although its still helpful. Actually it seems if you change from SDC to Shadow and then back to SDC, those anonymous outputs remain forever. So it seems the most help we can do to the network is transfer back and forth between Shadow and SDC many times. Every time we do it, it makes more anonymous outputs that remain forever.

Also good on the tweet. I will light Craptsy up in the trollbox later too, starting Monday when I know user Mullick will be in there.

Yup . I saw. But hard to believe it… (unless a core dev confirms)
Having 50% shadow and 50% SDC i always assumed was optimal balance.

Irregardless step 1 always involves converting SDC > Shadow…

Shadows are the networks anon tokens… we NEED more

currently @~330k/6.5million (i.e. ~4%)

^not good enuff… more Shadow

Ok well I guess the jury is still out then

But I think you are right its still important to have a large pool of Shadow. It will still help guard against certain attacks against anonymity on the network if there is a large pool of Shadow to blend transactions in with.

Ive been wrong b4 and Ill be wrong again.

However we can both be right:

SDC>Shadow>SDC>Shadow>SDC>Shadow>SDC>etc etc ad infinitum will (over time) create a system which is more "FUN"

whilst SDC > Shadow is all the while desirable Cool

YES.
-more anon I/O (i.e. Shadow) = good
-more Shadow = less SDC

SO.
with only 2% pos interest and a decreasing supply of staking SDC (long live anon i.e. Shadow) is this the only deflationary crypto-currency atm?

hmmmm…

So youre saying when I get my SDC convert it into SHADOW and then re convert that SHADOW back into SDC? or keep 50/50 split? Also there should be some refinements made to the Shadow website I cant read everything while I am scrolling up and down. As well as shadowtalk.org if possible you should make it look similar to bitcointalk.org in terms of the theme it will look better. When is shadybay launching?

Yes. IMO. 50/50

in other words…

Until Ryno tells us otherwise I will abide this ancient Chinese info-graphic Wink

personally i like the whole light side/dark side thang we got goin' on here Cheesy

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Quote from: child_harold on January 25, 2015, 05:04:57 PM

Quote from: child_harold on January 25, 2015, 04:38:41 PM

Quote from: child_harold on January 25, 2015, 05:04:57 PM

Hey child_harold, did you see this part of the thread? Coolstoryteller, along with the slide presentation on the new website seem to suggest that leaving your coins in Shadow may not be the total best thing for the network, although its still helpful. Actually it seems if you change from SDC to Shadow and then back to SDC, those anonymous outputs remain forever. So it seems the most help we can do to the network is transfer back and forth between Shadow and SDC many times. Every time we do it, it makes more anonymous outputs that remain forever.

Also good on the tweet. I will light Craptsy up in the trollbox later too, starting Monday when I know user Mullick will be in there.

Yup . I saw. But hard to believe it… (unless a core dev confirms)
Having 50% shadow and 50% SDC i always assumed was optimal balance.

Irregardless step 1 always involves converting SDC > Shadow…

Shadows are the networks anon tokens… we NEED more

currently @~330k/6.5million (i.e. ~4%)

^not good enuff… more Shadow

Ok well I guess the jury is still out then

But I think you are right its still important to have a large pool of Shadow. It will still help guard against certain attacks against anonymity on the network if there is a large pool of Shadow to blend transactions in with.

Ive been wrong b4 and Ill be wrong again.

However we can both be right:

SDC>Shadow>SDC>Shadow>SDC>Shadow>SDC>etc etc ad infinitum will (over time) create a system which is more "FUN"

whilst SDC > Shadow is all the while desirable Cool

YES.
-more anon I/O (i.e. Shadow) = good
-more Shadow = less SDC

SO.
with only 2% pos interest and a decreasing supply of staking SDC (long live anon i.e. Shadow) is this the only deflationary crypto-currency atm?

hmmmm…

So youre saying when I get my SDC convert it into SHADOW and then re convert that SHADOW back into SDC? or keep 50/50 split?

I think it really depends what your goals are. Its good for the network to make transfers many times between Shadow and SDC. Its also good for the network to leave a portion or % of your holdings in Shadow. But its also good for the network to be staking your coins, which requires SDC. You cannot stake Shadow, you can only stake SDC. A healthy network will have a good balance of all of these things. So perhaps if you plan to leave your coins offline and not stake, then you may convert a higher % into Shadow. If you want to stake your coins to receive 2% annually then you may want a high % of your coins in SDC.

Also as a note, sometimes you will run into errors when trying to convert Shadow back to SDC, it will say not enough available anonymous outputs of that ring size. You can fiddle with the ring size and the amount of Shadow you are changing to SDC to get it to work. As the network grows this will become less of a problem. By converting many times between Shadow and SDC, we increase the available anonymous outputs making the network solve this problem better over time.

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Quote from: child_harold on January 25, 2015, 04:38:41 PM

Hey child_harold, did you see this part of the thread? Coolstoryteller, along with the slide presentation on the new website seem to suggest that leaving your coins in Shadow may not be the total best thing for the network, although its still helpful. Actually it seems if you change from SDC to Shadow and then back to SDC, those anonymous outputs remain forever. So it seems the most help we can do to the network is transfer back and forth between Shadow and SDC many times. Every time we do it, it makes more anonymous outputs that remain forever.

Also good on the tweet. I will light Craptsy up in the trollbox later too, starting Monday when I know user Mullick will be in there.

Yup . I saw. But hard to believe it… (unless a core dev confirms)
Having 50% shadow and 50% SDC i always assumed was optimal balance.

Irregardless step 1 always involves converting SDC > Shadow…

Shadows are the networks anon tokens… we NEED more

currently @~330k/6.5million (i.e. ~4%)

^not good enuff… more Shadow

Ok well I guess the jury is still out then

But I think you are right its still important to have a large pool of Shadow. It will still help guard against certain attacks against anonymity on the network if there is a large pool of Shadow to blend transactions in with.

Ive been wrong b4 and Ill be wrong again.

However we can both be right:

SDC>Shadow>SDC>Shadow>SDC>Shadow>SDC>etc etc ad infinitum will (over time) create a system which is more "FUN"

whilst SDC > Shadow is all the while desirable Cool

YES.
-more anon I/O (i.e. Shadow) = good
-more Shadow = less SDC

SO.
with only 2% pos interest and a decreasing supply of staking SDC (long live anon i.e. Shadow) is this the only deflationary crypto-currency atm?

hmmmm…

So youre saying when I get my SDC convert it into SHADOW and then re convert that SHADOW back into SDC? or keep 50/50 split? Also there should be some refinements made to the Shadow website I cant read everything while I am scrolling up and down. As well as shadowtalk.org if possible you should make it look similar to bitcointalk.org in terms of the theme it will look better. When is shadybay launching?

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Quote from: child_harold on January 25, 2015, 04:38:41 PM

Quote from: child_harold on January 25, 2015, 04:38:41 PM

Hey child_harold, did you see this part of the thread? Coolstoryteller, along with the slide presentation on the new website seem to suggest that leaving your coins in Shadow may not be the total best thing for the network, although its still helpful. Actually it seems if you change from SDC to Shadow and then back to SDC, those anonymous outputs remain forever. So it seems the most help we can do to the network is transfer back and forth between Shadow and SDC many times. Every time we do it, it makes more anonymous outputs that remain forever.

Also good on the tweet. I will light Craptsy up in the trollbox later too, starting Monday when I know user Mullick will be in there.

Yup . I saw. But hard to believe it… (unless a core dev confirms)
Having 50% shadow and 50% SDC i always assumed was optimal balance.

Irregardless step 1 always involves converting SDC > Shadow…

Shadows are the networks anon tokens… we NEED more

currently @~330k/6.5million (i.e. ~4%)

^not good enuff… more Shadow

Ok well I guess the jury is still out then

But I think you are right its still important to have a large pool of Shadow. It will still help guard against certain attacks against anonymity on the network if there is a large pool of Shadow to blend transactions in with.

Ive been wrong b4 and Ill be wrong again.

However we can both be right:

SDC>Shadow>SDC>Shadow>SDC>Shadow>SDC>etc etc ad infinitum will (over time) create a system which is more "FUN"

whilst SDC > Shadow is all the while desirable Cool

YES.
-more anon I/O (i.e. Shadow) = good
-more Shadow = less SDC

SO.
with only 2% pos interest and a decreasing supply of staking SDC (long live anon i.e. Shadow) is this the only deflationary crypto-currency atm?

hmmmm…

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Hey child_harold, did you see this part of the thread? Coolstoryteller, along with the slide presentation on the new website seem to suggest that leaving your coins in Shadow may not be the total best thing for the network, although its still helpful. Actually it seems if you change from SDC to Shadow and then back to SDC, those anonymous outputs remain forever. So it seems the most help we can do to the network is transfer back and forth between Shadow and SDC many times. Every time we do it, it makes more anonymous outputs that remain forever.

Also good on the tweet. I will light Craptsy up in the trollbox later too, starting Monday when I know user Mullick will be in there.

Yup . I saw. But hard to believe it… (unless a core dev confirms)
Having 50% shadow and 50% SDC i always assumed was optimal balance.

Irregardless step 1 always involves converting SDC > Shadow…

Shadows are the networks anon tokens… we NEED more

currently @~330k/6.5million (i.e. ~4%)

^not good enuff… more Shadow

Ok well I guess the jury is still out then

But I think you are right its still important to have a large pool of Shadow. It will still help guard against certain attacks against anonymity on the network if there is a large pool of Shadow to blend transactions in with.

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