Topic: Sea Piracy, it's effect on the local economy - page 4. (Read 838 times)

Robbers/pirates, indeed their actions are disturbing for some entrepreneurs, in economic terms the behavior of pirates does not have a positive impact on the local economy, this can be seen from the life of Somalia, The world knows about the robbers' actions there, the money they make from ransoms does not produce anything positive for the local community, they mostly use the money to buy drugs and weapons.

My understanding is that the actions of pirates actually cause a lot of harm to the local community, the goods coming into the country are actually more expensive than the standard price, this is caused by the long detention of cargo ships and other things, for months, there is a shortage of goods, the local economy is not good if the area often experiences piracy carried out by robbers, it actually worsens the economic situation in the local area.

So you first say "there is no such international law" but after I provided the actual UN resolutions with page number and even paragraph numbers, you say it is "propaganda"
Good to know that I'm wasting my time talking to a troll.

Classic Zionist terrorist propaganda trying to hide behind Semites and Jews although Zionists have nothing to do with either one of them. In fact one of the biggest protests against Zionists is currently taking place in New York, US by the Jewish community.
This is exactly what ISIS did too. The radical terrorists that hid behind Islam and Muslims and were destroyed by Muslims too. Hopefully the Zionist terrorists will be eradicated with the hands of Jews and Semites soon.

Piracy cannot be an economic venture for people to go into, if locals that stays within sea route that cargo's pass through and then they begin to attack the ships in a bid to to kidnap the crew men for ransom and hostage taken, that's an aberration in the international law that allows cargo ship that are on a voyage to pass through without hitches or interference so long as they have the required documents to pass through. It is not an economic venture for anybody to go into piracy because the shipping companies can easily bypass that route and make use of other route or even stop bringing goods to that part of the country because they cannot make use of troubled waters.

As usual, nothing in response but denuded Hamas propaganda !
0. Tanker, bulk carrier, container ship passing in international waters are not civilian victims of terrorism ? And why did you ignore the question about the "Yemeni army" that you are trying to pass off as Husit terrorist gangs ?
 1. Was there such a country as Palestine in the history of the world ? Didn't you learn history yet ?!
2. Show me the documents that Israel is recognized as an apartheid regime ? I can legally put you on a par with the chordates, but it will not recognize you as a gopher, although it also belongs to the chordates !  
3. Regarding the UN resolution
Just a couple of excerpts:
- "The resolution placed Israel in line with states practicing apartheid"..... I.e. it did not, for example, recognize Putin as a Russian citizen "Recognized as an international criminal", or Russia as a terrorist country, or Hamas as a terrorist organization. They were not "ranked with other groups" but recognized ! Show me where an international court has recognized Israel as an aggressor, the prime minister as a war criminal, and an anti-terrorist operation as a seizure of foreign territory with all the consequences ?

Now, this is of course expected  
- "The representative of the USSR emphasized that Zionism is a form of racism, and the representative of Cuba pointed out that Zionism, which occupied Arab territories in 1967. The resolution was supported by Arab countries, third world countries and the socialist bloc" - perfect alliance remind you that the USSR was very

I.e., terror supporters and pronounced anti-Semites who promote anti-Semitism, racism, and persecution on the basis of nationality, victims of "sort of apartheid" ?!! Are you serious ?!! ))
4. About the IDF - point out the line in the text you quoted where it says "the IDF is a terrorist organization" ?!!! This is your inflamed fantasy, which is trying to find some justification for Hamas terror, and trying to absolve Hamas of blame for the deaths of civilians in the Gaza Strip. It's disgusting and stupid!


I could answer the rest, but I'm not going to waste my time on a useless process if Hamas propaganda and data manipulation is the basis.
 
PS And this is for your general knowledge: Apartheid (Afrika. apartheid "apartness", i.e. separate living, working, etc.) is an official policy of racial segregation implemented by the ruling Union of South Africa. Israel, which has given jobs, shelter, and civilized living conditions to over 200,000 Palestinians, among Jews - promote appartheid ?   Israel which has as part of its government the United Arab List (Hebrew הרשימה הערבית המאוחדת, Arabic. القائمة العربية الموحدة, the acronym is PAAM, the political Arab party of Israel)

Provided that Hamas, Iran and some other terrorists claim to destroy specifically and specifically Israelis and specifically Jews.
And who here promotes the ideas of apartheid, xenophobia?

PS For the last photo - thanks, but we already know that this is the work of terrorists ! You haven't discovered anything new here. Sometimes they can realize their complexes, that's life ... But thanks for the photo of the civilian cargo ship hit by terrorists. It's just like I said, thanks for confirming it !

Your desperate attempt at attaching the word "civilian" to these shipments doesn't change their nature.
The Zionist regime occupying Palestine under the fake name Israel is internationally recognized as an apartheid regime. According to United Nations resolution 3068 on International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid
US Navy is not advanced enough to be able to protect the shipments that are being sent to your Zionist friends to help them continue committing genocide and terrorism.
Picture from the past day:

Piracy cannot in any way I can think of contribute to the economy of the society or the country in general. It doesn’t contribute anything, rather the economy of the country constantly takes several hits due to piracy.

You rightly noted that we always have a choice. We also know what’s right and what’s wrong. Hijacking vessels and holding crew members for ransom money is outrightly wrong, morally and legally. And choosing to indulge in kidnapping is acceptable of the repercussions when caught.

When a ship route is notoriously plagued by pirates, no captain would be willing to risk the life of his crew members and wouldn’t take up any task that would involve sailing to that area. That area would lose business and would be more expensive for the local merchants as they would have to pay more in travel expenses.

Some people don’t see/think far ahead to see how piracy would affect their economy or are too selfish to care cause they’re benefiting themselves.

It's always interesting to read you
Please tell me - could you provide links to the so-called “international laws”, where the rights to attack civilian ships, seize people, and steal cargo were written down? It will be very interesting to read! I assume that I inadvertently missed something, I ask for your help!
I am sure you are not wasting words, and will provide links to these documents, which have the status of, as you put it, “international laws”, which are internationally recognized and are a legislative norm!

And another subtle nuance - where can you get acquainted with the documents that the Houthis, in the form of criminal groups, are the “Armed Forces of Yemen”? Have they received official status? From open sources it is known about them that they are engaged in an illegal seizure of power and terror with the support of their “fraternal terrorist organizations.”

PS Amazing fact - The US warship USS Carney protected three merchant ships from attack in the Red Sea. US Central Command announced Iran's support for the attacks. I would also like to read the laws, international of course, on Iran’s right to support terrorist groups against peaceful ships?

I've watched a documentary wherein Somali pirates stated their reason why they resorted to piracy instead of just being fishermen. Their government is corrupt, no huge companies want to invest in their country, and there literally is no other people to sell fish to as most of the population are poor and don't even have the buying power to purchase their catch. It's a systemic problem mainly caused by those who run the government. This wouldn't have happened if there are avenues for these citizens to make an honest living, but all of those are blocked off unfortunately.

Of course, this still isn't enough of a reason to justify their actions. They are still doing illegal stuff and are causing a lot of losses to other people. Then again, they have no other choice, do they? Imagine being a continent with a massive deposit of natural resources, yet still remain to be 'poor' in today's standards due to the greed of a select few.

Somalia is known for the Pirates but it's due to the incompetence of their political leaders so humans choose the violent way to feed their family. And for the record over 90% of shipments is transported via sea only and also technology evolved a lot still the sea crew has to be very careful in certain regions but the rate of piracy reduced a lot compared to the previous era that is the development.

The beginning of your post was very true, but the continuation and conclusions are far from the truth.

Let me clarify. First, a simple statistic about the economy:
As in neighboring countries, Somalia's economy includes both traditional and modern industries, with a gradual shift in favor of modern industrial technology. According to the Central Bank of Somalia, about 80% of the population are nomadic or semi-nomadic pastoralists keeping goats, sheep, camels and cattle. Nomads also collect resins and gum to supplement their income.

Agriculture is the most important sector of the economy. It accounts for about 65% of GDP and employs 65% of the population. Livestock contributes about 40% of GDP and more than 50% of export earnings. Other major exports are fish, coal and bananas; sugar, sorghum and maize are produced for the domestic market.

We see references to fish production as not a significant but existing sector of the economy. Now let's look back in history. Who were the first victims of pirates ? The answer is local fishermen.
 
Question number two - unreported fishing. Yes, that's a fact. But let's look at the statistics, shall we?  Who is it that violates Somali rights and "steals fish"?
Let's go back in history again:
In the 1980s, fishing cooperatives were established in the country. The government even passed legislation to regulate this sector of the economy. The fishing industry grew rapidly, with the port in the southern city of Kismayo literally swarming with trawlers dropping off rich catches here.

But during the civil war, the infrastructure and economy, including the fishing sector, was dealt a devastating blow. Pirates began to plague the Somali coast, and ordinary fishermen were afraid to go to sea. And on land, the fight against Al-Shabaab was on.

Bottom line: terror and piracy were the original problem of the falling fish market. And yes, it was then taken advantage of...mostly by COUNTRIES, although about 20% of the illegal fish harvesting was by "European neighbors". There is even official data : According to a report submitted to the UN, 300-350 million dollars worth of fish are caught annually in Somali waters by poachers. Of these, about 20% are European poachers and 80% are poachers from neighboring countries....

I don't know why it appeared to me that you are looking for reasons to justify sea piracy. There's no reason whatsoever to justify crime which is a great menace to the society. If we actually want to put your supposed reason for piracy into consideration, that means all the arm robbers, kidnappers, ritualist, etc will have what seems like genuine reasons to commit crime. There are many ways to resolve problems and not to inflict pain on your fellow citizens think you are doing so to the government.

Say no to sea piracy and condemn it always because travelling by sea only is a big risk, adding more troubles will create a big havoc to the sea users.

Piracy is not a good thing, why should we then encourage for doing that, even if some are earning from doing so, it's an illegal means of making money because the entire acts involved are due to unjustifiable means, what we cannot com out publicly and boldly to declare to others as things we do that we earn from should be avoided, what is worth doing os worth doing well, any illegal means of earnings are against the law, including piracy.

Stealing from business people and using that money in your local economy with only bring more harm to the people and the economy because these pirates will increase in population and they will also buy arms to carry out their operations, since they are benefiting from it. There is no way that a small amount of money shared within some small number of individual will help the economy of a country. When there are no longer ships, that is when these ships don't go closer to the shores or to the area that they will be attacked by pirates, this will make the pirates to go back and steal from the neighbouring communities or even attack people in the country. This happened to my friend as her local marker boat was attacked by local pirates and all her goods was stolen, it is these same pirates that rob on the boundaries of the coastal regions.

Should this be an excuse for them to continue robbing business people fishing, common no matter how small a crime is stealing is stealing because the victims will suffer it.

Piracy is illegal just like overfishing by breaching maritime boundary and what led to piracy? It's the overfishing in huge vessels which is like robbing the poor fishermen illegally yet no one raise this as hot topic because the victims (Pirates) are from poor African nation wherein the preparator are white collar criminals.


Yes as government cannot monitor or patrol their sea boundary 24/7 that's where these illegal vessels enter their maritime and do the crime of robbing livelihood. First they should be punished.

I have a different view on this issue and I have seen more than dozen of documentaries about the pirates and what led them to piracy. The answer is simple it's the corrupt government who are not capable of defending their maritime, some rich nations who do overfishing in these horn of Africa region leaving literally noting and even killing even the smaller fish as they use huge ships and nets wherein they can easy catch an year's income of thousands of fishermen at one go.

If you destroy their livelihood they are going to come after you and these pirates are mostly fishermen who are forced to do this and no one questions the rich nations who breach the maritime boundary. Since the government in the mentioned nations are corrupt they don't intervene and overfishing happens here as long as government is bribed.

I can keep writing about it but I would like to conclude here by advising everyone to know both sides of story

A little history, from open sources: The Houthis (Houthis, Hutis, Arabic: الحوثيون‎), or Ansar Allah, also Ansarullah, Ansarullah, Ansar Allah (Arabic: أنصار الله‎), is a militia group of Shiite Zaydis ov (jarudites), acting on territory of Yemen. In 2004, it launched an armed uprising against the Yemeni government, gradually seizing control over some of the southern territories of the country. The Houthis took part in the 2011 Yemeni revolution, which resulted in the resignation of President Ali Abdullah Saleh.
Since the beginning of 2015, after the capture of the Yemeni capital Sana'a and the creation of the Revolutionary Council, it has been the de facto ruling organization in Yemen. The Chairman of the Revolutionary Council was Muhammad Ali al-Houthi. The legitimacy of his rule over Yemen has not been recognized by the UN, the US and the GCC.
It is assumed that the Houthis have hidden military and financial support from Iran and its allies in the Hezbollah party.
The group is named after its founder and former leader Hussein al-Houthi, who was killed by the Yemeni army in September 2004.

In short, it is an illegal armed group that has close relations with terrorist organizations and dubious regimes. They are engaged in terrorism, seizure of power and organized crime. The picture is already “beautiful”.
Of the “successes” in capturing “Israeli ships” - at the moment... nothing!
The news feed gives us the same result:
- Yemen's Houthis fired a missile at a Norwegian tanker
- Yemeni Houthis attacked Bahamas-flagged bulk carrier Unity Explorer, owned by Unity Explorer Ltd and operated by London-based Dao Shipping Ltd, LSEG data shows. The ship was scheduled to arrive in Singapore on December 15.
- Yemen's Houthis attacked a Panama-flagged container ship owned by Number 9 Shipping Ltd and managed by Bernhard Schulte Shipmanagement of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, according to LSEG.
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But these are all “Israeli ships” - terrorists will always come up with an “excuse” for themselves, even if it is so stupid... But they also have an audience to match their “excuses”

Total: ordinary terrorism and chauvinism, only at sea!

I never truly understood why ships still go around those parts, is it a must? Like is it so much profitable that you take the risk? Couldn't they just avoid those type of places and just stay away from them? Feels like they could simply just avoid it as much as they can and would still be fine. I look at the map to see where those nations are, and feels like it could be avoided, they need to figure out a way to just stay as off coast as possible and not get any closer at all.

Plus, why not just hire people with some guns for each ship? Security is important, and a guy with some rifle would be good enough to defend, and I mean literally just one, and that's the security, have a few more guns on board in case anyone else wants to shoot as well, and suddenly it's some Somalin little boat with 5-10 people in it, getting shot at with fully automatic rifles from a giant ship that can carry tens of tons of stuff, the size difference and the weapon difference should make it easier to defend.

The interview with the pirates is a bit much. What are they going to answer the camera? The truth or the mere lies that the world wants to hear and have commotion for these peeps? I hate to break it but it is not their property and they have no right to loot the ships just like that. The robbery is robbery it doesn't matter if that is happening in the sea above the sea or the air. Why is it like this always? There is some illegal activity happening but some report reaches them and that too safely, they bring back full of emotions tape of the criminal and everyone starts feeling good for them. What is wrong with this generation?

Do they have no jobs? Oh come on, bite me. So the next step you do is turn into a pirate and start chasing the boats. However, they can not think about searching for new jobs and opportunities around the globe. No one should come with a mindset stating that they are not getting any jobs even after searching around the entire globe. If you are skilled, you are going to get hired. Its big world.

  I had no idea that in other countries, privacy is a crime. But as far as I know, there is probably no country where piracy is legal in their jurisdiction. Instead, it is illegal.

  Especially here in our country, there are other countries that are close to us that claim a sea territory of our country that is theirs, which is an illegal action that they are taking. That is why our President does not allow the country to claim ownership of something that is not really theirs.

For me it has just worsen the economic instability of the said countries. Piracy is a crime therefore investors will never try to take the risks of pouring tremendous amount of investments to these countries just for that reason. What if shipping companies hire armed guards just to fight piracy? I think they really will... Then what now? How is that "wealth distribution" even possible in that situation? Well yeah, it has indirect benefits but the question is how long? Piracy will come to an end if affected countries and companies will request to send navies to that specific shipping route.