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Topic: SealsWithClubs.eu | Largest Bitcoin Poker Site | No Banking | Fast Cashouts - page 225. (Read 1404011 times)

sr. member
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Starting tomorrow cashing out chips for paypal USD Smiley

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2094091

While we of course cannot specifically endorse your service, it pleases me to see SealsWithClubs chips trading 1:1 with bitcoin.  It is a community measure of how strong our organization is.


That would actually be a remarkable miracle.

Seals chips will always trade 1000 to 1 with bitcoins. The only reason for a slight deviation would be in an emergency where you can't wait for Seals fast cashouts.

Do be very careful about who you send bitcoins and chips too, especially in return for PayPal.


Im having trouble implementing a proper system as i'm not a programmer, any ideas FM?

I mean id love to do it manually but i cant spend all my hours dedicated to it, but was thinking i can start doing manual cashouts at predetermined times daily.

Any feedback is greatly appreciated sir
legendary
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Strength in numbers
Starting tomorrow cashing out chips for paypal USD Smiley

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2094091

While we of course cannot specifically endorse your service, it pleases me to see SealsWithClubs chips trading 1:1 with bitcoin.  It is a community measure of how strong our organization is.


That would actually be a remarkable miracle.

Seals chips will always trade 1000 to 1 with bitcoins. The only reason for a slight deviation would be in an emergency where you can't wait for Seals fast cashouts.

Do be very careful about who you send bitcoins and chips too, especially in return for PayPal.
legendary
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FPV Drone Pilot
Is this still the thread to go to for pokerstars > SWC trades? If so, looking for 1000 SWC chips(1BTC), if not, ignore please.

I can see you are used to posting under the strict Nazi-like rules of 2+2.  Bitcointalk.org is an open discussion, and while I feel the ownership here is less than perfect, the discussion is relatively free and open (except some touchy subjects like ASICs) - but looking for 'Stars-BTC trades you can find them in a handful of different areas on bitcointalk.  There is an entire currency trading section, but I think your best chance to find a RoW 'Stars players in this thread.

I wish I could take in trade and play SCOOP, but alas I am stuck here in the land of the free.  We had to make our own pokersite to get action again Smiley
newbie
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Is this still the thread to go to for pokerstars > SWC trades? If so, looking for 1000 SWC chips(1BTC), if not, ignore please.
legendary
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FPV Drone Pilot
Starting tomorrow cashing out chips for paypal USD Smiley

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2094091

While we of course cannot specifically endorse your service, it pleases me to see SealsWithClubs chips trading 1:1 with bitcoin.  It is a community measure of how strong our organization is.

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sr. member
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legendary
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What happened to the Friday Swell tournament? It's not showing in the lobby.

Never mine about as soon as I posted this it showed up.

At this stage the MTT schedule is a work in progress.  We are hoping to nail down to something very regular that everyone can expect week after week.   The "BIG BTC" continues to draw crowds as our biggest regularly scheduled weekly "big Sunday" type of mtt.

The daily MTTs we have to nail down - with the ever-changing price of BTC and our server-side improvements, we will stabilize the tournament schedule later this year IMO. 

newbie
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What happened to the Friday Swell tournament? It's not showing in the lobby.

Never mine about as soon as I posted this it showed up.
newbie
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What happened to the Friday Swell tournament? It's not showing in the lobby.
sr. member
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I play NL10/20 two days in SWC.
How to adjust the poker window size?
How to take notes on players?
sometims I seen two 10/20 tables of 6seat but sometims no one. WHY?
Every time I can seat on a new empty table for every level in PokerStars,but SWC.
Sorry for my Chinese English Grin

The window size is currently not resizeable in the windows client, only in the web client.  The android app will resize to fit your screen.

The notes feature isn't working yet.

You can start any table you want with the table launcher on the web site.  I think there is a menu item to do it in the windows client too.

Sorry for my American English.

Thank you!
now I can open a new table.
Use English is hard for me ,becaus English and 中国文字 are The two extremes of the type of language. I reply that cost me 15 min Cry
hero member
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seals with clubs is rigged and filled with colluders.

dont believe me?
watch the full ring tables and notice how it gets empty of a sudden.
this site is doomed to fail.



Dude I play on there every day and not microstakes either. There is no collusion. Shit, I wish people tried to collude against me because usually it means they arent good enough to beat the game fairly and whatever tiny edge they got by sharing hole cards they would certainly give away through their terrible play.

Full games break quickly because usually a very weak player (aka the "fish") will bust out or rack up and sit out, and the rest of the players (regs and good players) will see their edge vs the field has shrunk significantly or is now negative and decide that playing the table isnt worth their time. Its the same on any poker site, go watch $5-10 on pokerstars and see how quickly a 6max breaks when the fish busts out. Sometimes instantly.

Regs not wanting to play other regs and or good players/pros is common on every site. Often I will sit at a 10-20 or 25-50 chip table on SWC waiting by myself for hours and the only times I get action are from new players or lower stake players taking shots - the regs know me and wont sit because even if they have an edge its probably small and therefore the variance will be quite high.

Cheating in online poker is tough to do effectively because if you always see the same 2 players at a cash table or SnG you know something is shady going on, however Im confident enough in my game that I wont deny action to anyone, even a 3handed game vs 2 people sharing a bankroll and hole card info: "Oh he doesnt have an ace cause I folded an ace so you raise all in on top he cant call OH SHIT HE HAS A SET!!!..."

Also, for the truly paranoid, just play heads up. Its impossible to be cheated. If you are looking for HU action, PM me and we can set something up, either HU cash or HU SnG, either is fine by me, anything up to 5000 chip buy in, I dont have a huge roll on Seals so thats as high as I can go for now.

-chronicdog
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Interesting!  What I take away from this is:  online play is actually more fair than live play, because of its use of a statistically proven random shuffling algorithm!  Grin

yes, online is infinitely safer as far as cheating is concerned.  even with all the scandals and collusion and what not, it's still on average much safer, and you can also much better quantify the unsafe areas.
full member
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I play NL10/20 two days in SWC.
How to adjust the poker window size?
How to take notes on players?
sometims I seen two 10/20 tables of 6seat but sometims no one. WHY?
Every time I can seat on a new empty table for every level in PokerStars,but SWC.
Sorry for my Chinese English Grin

The window size is currently not resizeable in the windows client, only in the web client.  The android app will resize to fit your screen.

The notes feature isn't working yet.

You can start any table you want with the table launcher on the web site.  I think there is a menu item to do it in the windows client too.

Sorry for my American English.
sr. member
Activity: 286
Merit: 250
I play NL10/20 two days in SWC.
How to adjust the poker window size?
How to take notes on players?
sometims I seen two 10/20 tables of 6seat but sometims no one. WHY?
Every time I can seat on a new empty table for every level in PokerStars,but SWC.
Sorry for my Chinese English Grin
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1014
FPV Drone Pilot
X-posting this from 2+2, someone having issues logging onto both pc and broswer clients.

Says they are receiving the following when attempting to log on:

Error message "Could not connect to PokerMavens server. Aborting login."

They are apparently able to load the web site fine, just unable to access the lobby.

odd...

worked for me on 2x different net connections...

Anyone with any info?  screenshots?
newbie
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X-posting this from 2+2, someone having issues logging onto both pc and broswer clients.

Says they are receiving the following when attempting to log on:

Error message "Could not connect to PokerMavens server. Aborting login."

They are apparently able to load the web site fine, just unable to access the lobby.
newbie
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I have a theory that live games without shufflers have slightly more aces come on the board than would otherwise be dictated, because the winning hand has an ace more often than any other card, and usually the winning hand is scooped up last, putting it on the bottom of the deck before the shuffle.  And in standard "riffle, riffle, box, riffle, cut" shuffle, the bottom card ends up being somewhere between the 20th and 30th card a much higher percentage of the time than other locations, and in a 9 and 10 handed game, 4 or 5 of that 10-card range are the board cards.  Thus aces should come out more often.  [...]
Interesting!  What I take away from this is:  online play is actually more fair than live play, because of its use of a statistically proven random shuffling algorithm!  Grin
hero member
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Actually you would see skew no matter what if you look at board cards. It would be relatively small and I can't guess the direction without more thought.
 
In some games a flop is almost always seen. In some games a preflop raise often takes the pot, in those games there will tend to only be a flop when multiple players have higher than average ranks in their hands and you will see lower than average cards on the board. There will also be some flops that tend to make the hand end early and deal no rivers. Without looking at any data I would guess than flushes come in a little bit less often than simple analysis would predict because the turn and river are more likely to be dealt if two or more players are on a flush draw, partially blocking each other.

edit: If you just looked at a tally of every card that ever appeared that would be correctly distributed. It's just if you look at "river cards" or similar specifically that there will be skew.

I have a theory that live games without shufflers have slightly more aces come on the board than would otherwise be dictated, because the winning hand has an ace more often than any other card, and usually the winning hand is scooped up last, putting it on the bottom of the deck before the shuffle.  And in standard "riffle, riffle, box, riffle, cut" shuffle, the bottom card ends up being somewhere between the 20th and 30th card a much higher percentage of the time than other locations, and in a 9 and 10 handed game, 4 or 5 of that 10-card range are the board cards.  Thus aces should come out more often.  The problem of course is that in situations where the ace is there, people are less likely to HAVE an ace, and thus the hand is less likely to see a flop to begin with.  But I still think that even with that side effect, aces still show up on the board some tiny tiny amount higher than would be dictated by true randomness.  It doesn't matter though, since any time I'm actually in a live game without machines, I am just watching the dealer shuffle anyway, and using my shuffle tracking skills to attempt to know if the card is going to a certain player or is likely to come up on the board.  Knowing that the 6c is probably going to be coming out on the board much more often than it should (not for certain, since there is obviously an error rate in my tracking ability) is really useful when you get dealt red sixes.
sr. member
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That credit system sounds complicated to me, I don't quite understand.

Maybe I was also thinking it too complicated way... and word 'credit' don't fit very well on this. Also, remember that you already have better deposit/withdrawl system than any other site.. so sticking with it is definitely not a bad idea. But even then one should be at least thinking of improvements.

1) The requirement (wish) would be a possibility for a player to be able to play with ones own wallet.
2) How could this be done? Simpliest way would be that a player could withdrawal automatically (almost instantly) the same sum he just deposited. If the player wins in the long run, she/he needs a manual withdrawal to get out the winnings.

Of course, current system is simple and effective, so any change to make it more complicated also includes a risk. Do not fix something that works ;-).

Not having instant withdrawals protects users and the site. If you give someone else your credentials you are playing with fire and we can't make any promises, but we do help when the situation is clear and we can. Delayed and manually checked withdrawals have saved several players a substantial amount. In almost two years of manual checking we've never found anything like magic chips being withdrawn, but I still think it is very much worth it not to have anything going out without a real brain approving it.
Thats very true.

We are probably going to stick with all manual, it may get faster than our current 12 hours max time though. It was really nice when we could (in the sense that we took a risk and got away with it) accept zero confirm deposits. I'd like to bring that back in a limited capacity. Probably it would be set up where each individual account has a limit for what will be credited immediately. It would need to be clear that 0-conf transactions are not deposits, they just trigger a loan that will be paid back automatically when a confirmation comes in. Seals would have to specifically have funds for this purpose. We can't put chips in play that don't have corresponding bitcoins backing them up. And we can't use 0-confs to pay winners, so they don't count. (I'm aware that you can send 0-confs, it just isn't right to pay winners with them).
Personally, 0-conf is nice, but 1 confirmation really is not a big deal for me. However, I understand it is for some short-tempered players :-D. Actually, I prefer more 1 conf for the security.
I really like your principle to back up everythink with real bitcoins.

I have thought a lot about a panic switch distribution. I'm reluctant for a few reasons. Even those who understand that they should use an address that they will own 'forever' might stick something in there that they control now, lose control at some point and not think to update. It's also hard to foresee every complication and there is no practicing for this. Also, all funds ought not be one button click away from distributed so it doesn't really work in most panic situations. An orderly shutdown of play and deposits etc, would be required first in addition to moving the funds to a position where they can be sent.

In an emergency it might take longer without a system like this in place, but I'm confident that whenever we'd be able to execute a panic button successfully we'd also be able to do a slower shutdown successfully.


Yes, there are a lot of things to consider not to make a panic button cause more problems than benefit.

Maybe the most important thing would be to make such protections that a possible attacker finds it useless even to try to attack the site. Ie, if possible, no unencrypted wallets (with manual withdrawal, this should be possible?), and/or some switch that sends all the money to an offline wallet if someone even tries to hack the system. BTC sites are hacked, because hackers see they can steal BTC. If there are no BTC to steal, there will be a lot less hackers (well, with poker sites there could also be some other motives).

Of course, it is also important to have direct actions to protect the system, but my opinion is that this comes second. First one is to make it clear to possible hackers that even if they success, they are doing it for nothing.
legendary
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Beta PC client version'd:  https://sealswithclubs.eu/beta-client/

Would love to hear some windows 8 reports, it is supported in this version.


tytytytyty to our players for feedback and for your continued support.  You make us.  We love you.
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