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legendary
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To be honest... The firm appearance of rigtards is another rite of passage for seals.
Cannot agree with this enough -- this just helps to confirm that Seals is coming into the big-time.  The irony is so thick you can cut it with a knife.

The shuffling algorithm is public and generally accepted to be the most fair way to pseudorandomly shuffle a virtual deck of cards.  It's the same algorithm used by all trusted poker sites.

"Provably fair" is a term being used to mean that the entire shuffle can be reproduced with a seed that can be publicly known or reproduced and independently verified.  The seed of each shuffle is currently neither reproducible or public.
SealsWithClubs would probably do themselves a service to publicly post the link to Poker Maven's description of its RNG / hand-shuffling algorithm on their site's FAQ page: http://www.briggsoft.com/docs/pmavens/Utilities.htm#shuffle  I must have linked to that half a dozen times already.

Micon, do you know if you guys have any plans in the (admittedly far off) future of changing the software over to cryptographically provably fair shuffling algs?
I don't know if this could be done -- they use Poker Mavens on the server side, which is closed-source.  Maybe SwC could somehow have the server write the seeds used for a hand to the hand history, after it is played?  That seems like it's asking for trouble though, if someone managed to get into their server and intercept the hand seed output before a hand has finished.



I appreciate all of these thoughts and understand many of our players are thinking deeply about our system.

While I cannot say too much at this stage, I feel it is important to note that SwC is already *heavily* modified from plain downloadable Mavens software.   We are continuously making server-side improvements and working closely with all software providers.

IMO exciting things will continuously happen to SwC in 2013, stay tuned.

sr. member
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[as not to get into a deep debate about the fact that there are no random numbers]

Getting a bit deeper; there are truly random numbers: http://www.random.org/

But they practically do not differ from pseudo-random, unless you believe in some true random magic.. whoops, maybe some poker players do.. but what's the difference to pseudorandom magic ;-) And the seed next deck gets is quite much truely random. It depends on every players thinking delays etc.
sr. member
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 Maybe SwC could somehow have the server write the seeds used for a hand to the hand history, after it is played?  That seems like it's asking for trouble though, if someone managed to get into their server and intercept the hand seed output before a hand has finished.

AFAIK, the problem is that if someone folds a hand, the cards should never be shown to any 3rd person.. If the seed is revealed, all players hands are shown. Is it so?
newbie
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To be honest... The firm appearance of rigtards is another rite of passage for seals.
Cannot agree with this enough -- this just helps to confirm that Seals is coming into the big-time.  The irony is so thick you can cut it with a knife.

The shuffling algorithm is public and generally accepted to be the most fair way to pseudorandomly shuffle a virtual deck of cards.  It's the same algorithm used by all trusted poker sites.

"Provably fair" is a term being used to mean that the entire shuffle can be reproduced with a seed that can be publicly known or reproduced and independently verified.  The seed of each shuffle is currently neither reproducible or public.
SealsWithClubs would probably do themselves a service to publicly post the link to Poker Maven's description of its RNG / hand-shuffling algorithm on their site's FAQ page: http://www.briggsoft.com/docs/pmavens/Utilities.htm#shuffle  I must have linked to that half a dozen times already.

Micon, do you know if you guys have any plans in the (admittedly far off) future of changing the software over to cryptographically provably fair shuffling algs?
I don't know if this could be done -- they use Poker Mavens on the server side, which is closed-source.  Maybe SwC could somehow have the server write the seeds used for a hand to the hand history, after it is played?  That seems like it's asking for trouble though, if someone managed to get into their server and intercept the hand seed output before a hand has finished.

legendary
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To be honest... The firm appearance of rigtards is another rite of passage for seals. 

Congrats freemoney, mic on and st6.  Seals is realer than ever.

While this makes me chuckle, I think it's important to address any issue that any player or group of players have.  Yes, someone will always be screaming that it's rigged based on 1 card.  But if someone has a legitimate question I'm 100% available [email protected] with any topic.


The shuffling algorithm is public and generally accepted to be the most fair way to pseudorandomly shuffle a virtual deck of cards.  It's the same algorithm used by all trusted poker sites.

"Provably fair" is a term being used to mean that the entire shuffle can be reproduced with a seed that can be publicly known or reproduced and independently verified.  The seed of each shuffle is currently neither reproducible or public. 

This is more accurate.  It won't be long until someone does an independant study.  They will find over a large dataset that cards are dealt fairly and "randomly enough" [as not to get into a deep debate about the fact that there are no random numbers]
legendary
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To be honest... The firm appearance of rigtards is another rite of passage for seals. 

Congrats freemoney, mic on and st6.  Seals is realer than ever.
full member
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SWC is currently not running on a provably fair shuffling algorithm?
this clearly explains why some users tend to hit their 1-2 outers on the turn/river more often than not.

The shuffling algorithm is public and generally accepted to be the most fair way to pseudorandomly shuffle a virtual deck of cards.  It's the same algorithm used by all trusted poker sites.

"Provably fair" is a term being used to mean that the entire shuffle can be reproduced with a seed that can be publicly known or reproduced and independently verified.  The seed of each shuffle is currently neither reproducible or public. 
newbie
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Micon, do you know if you guys have any plans in the (admittedly far off) future of changing the software over to cryptographically provably fair shuffling algs?

this is a very good question.

ST6 has discussed making a provably fair shuffling algorithm.  It is very hard to do from what I understand.  We are going to have many more options available to us after we complete server-side improvements. 

Should be a fun 2013 @ SwC






SWC is currently not running on a provably fair shuffling algorithm?
this clearly explains why some users tend to hit their 1-2 outers on the turn/river more often than not.

wp gg

member
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I'm nobody.
LOL is puffpuff really BFL Josh???  Oh man that would be funny.  Hey Josh, yeah, they have some down time, but you know what they also have, a product that has been delivered to their customers.

You really think he would waste time here? lol
legendary
Activity: 1232
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FPV Drone Pilot
Micon, do you know if you guys have any plans in the (admittedly far off) future of changing the software over to cryptographically provably fair shuffling algs?

this is a very good question.

ST6 has discussed making a provably fair shuffling algorithm.  It is very hard to do from what I understand.  We are going to have many more options available to us after we complete server-side improvements. 

Should be a fun 2013 @ SwC



hero member
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Micon, do you know if you guys have any plans in the (admittedly far off) future of changing the software over to cryptographically provably fair shuffling algs?

Sort of silly to do that unless you can also find a way to make it so its provably fair in terms of super users etc..
hero member
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Micon, do you know if you guys have any plans in the (admittedly far off) future of changing the software over to cryptographically provably fair shuffling algs?
hero member
Activity: 793
Merit: 1026
LOL is puffpuff really BFL Josh???  Oh man that would be funny.  Hey Josh, yeah, they have some down time, but you know what they also have, a product that has been delivered to their customers.
legendary
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"This user is currently ignored."

Of all the annoyances on this site, the one-click ignore option is not one of them.  Good choice.  It's always annoying to have to click on a nick, then have to click on some sub-menu and find ignore somewhere buried three links down.

But here, it's like a one-button flush and down the retard toilet they go.
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
I'm nobody.
We are experiencing connectivity issues, not all players affected.

ST6 is on it, it is a datacenter issue.

new tourneys are turned off until it's fixed.

you're clearly having this issue on a regular basis. btw, please wear nicer attire at this WSOP. thanks.




On his dick much?

no? but you're about to be on mine.



Ya except your just some nobody, and now i hit ignore.

Likewise. Hardly worth talking to someone who makes a claim that I'm "nobody" without knowing me. Imbecile. Go lose another tourney, faggot.
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
We are experiencing connectivity issues, not all players affected.

ST6 is on it, it is a datacenter issue.

new tourneys are turned off until it's fixed.

you're clearly having this issue on a regular basis. btw, please wear nicer attire at this WSOP. thanks.




On his dick much?

no? but you're about to be on mine.



Ya except your just some nobody, and now i hit ignore.
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
I'm nobody.
We are experiencing connectivity issues, not all players affected.

ST6 is on it, it is a datacenter issue.

new tourneys are turned off until it's fixed.

you're clearly having this issue on a regular basis. btw, please wear nicer attire at this WSOP. thanks.




On his dick much?

no? but you're about to be on mine.
legendary
Activity: 3766
Merit: 5146
Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!
We are experiencing connectivity issues, not all players affected.

ST6 is on it, it is a datacenter issue.

new tourneys are turned off until it's fixed.

you're clearly having this issue on a regular basis. btw, please wear nicer attire at this WSOP. thanks.

Josh! Nice to see you. You really ought to come play some poker with us.  What an opportunity to show how smart you really are!  Come play some PLO8. Its a game you almost can't lose unless well...  Just come!
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
We are experiencing connectivity issues, not all players affected.

ST6 is on it, it is a datacenter issue.

new tourneys are turned off until it's fixed.

you're clearly having this issue on a regular basis. btw, please wear nicer attire at this WSOP. thanks.




On his dick much?
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
I'm nobody.
We are experiencing connectivity issues, not all players affected.

ST6 is on it, it is a datacenter issue.

new tourneys are turned off until it's fixed.

you're clearly having this issue on a regular basis. btw, please wear nicer attire at this WSOP. thanks.
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