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Quote from: drawingthesun on August 29, 2014, 09:02:41 PM

1 - Multi Tabling is a very popular thing and many poker enthusiasts will look elsewhere for poker if Seals closes off multi table.

2 - Don't you want to play on the poker site that has the worst players, not the best?

Just defending cheaters, poor sportsman and people who are otherwise trying to tilt a fair game in their favor. That's all you are doing.

I made about $80 from SWC, that's a good place to stop. I'll come back once they decide to crack down on the rampant cheating.

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Quote from: bigasic on August 29, 2014, 10:32:50 PM

I actually like SwC, I opened up an account there right after they got going and put a few BTC when BTC was just a few bucks a piece.. Forgot about my account and about 8 months ago logged in and cashed my 6 btc out that was now worth over 5k..

So, I really came out ahead with SwC....

lol nice. this guy i was playing with one time said he just logged on for the first time in a year and a half and he had 320+ coin and didnt even know the price and once i told him he was tripping out and logged out and i never saw him again lol

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Quote from: drawingthesun on August 29, 2014, 09:02:41 PM

2 - Don't you want to play on the poker site that has the worst players, not the best?

spot on.

This is what I usually try to do. The worst the player tho more you can win.
You just have to adjust your playing style according to their poker level: you can do this only if their poker level is below yours ... not above.

About the multitabling: it is what happens in all pokerrooms ..... only online ones btw Grin

About the multiaccounting: sometihng has to be done as soon as possible.

nioc

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The reason I got into btc was because of SWC. For this I will be eternally grateful.

Thank you Chairman

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I actually like SwC, I opened up an account there right after they got going and put a few BTC when BTC was just a few bucks a piece.. Forgot about my account and about 8 months ago logged in and cashed my 6 btc out that was now worth over 5k..

So, I really came out ahead with SwC....

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The worst poker players with the most money, actually. Right?

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Quote from: nutildah on August 29, 2014, 08:52:15 PM

Quote from: dave23 on August 28, 2014, 08:57:58 AM

I don't understand the relationship between multi-tabling and collusion.

Because it means that two (or more) people who know each other play at the same tables together on purpose. Sometimes its the same 3 people at 3 or more tables together. Why would you even risk your BTC in this situation? Yes, you can just assume that there is no foul play, but why would you want to when its your money on the line?

I've switched back to DragonPlay poker for now. The players there are actually better at poker than SWC.

1 - Multi Tabling is a very popular thing and many poker enthusiasts will look elsewhere for poker if Seals closes off multi table.

2 - Don't you want to play on the poker site that has the worst players, not the best?

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Quote from: Mattster28 on August 29, 2014, 06:46:04 PM

Right now there is a player in the 66 freeroll with 10 accounts. afk, IAFK, oafk, pafk, qafk, rafk, tafk, uafk, wafk and yafk. If all those accounts are not the same person I will eat my hat! Pretty sad this kind off shit is happening on Seals, along with everything else. I guess that's why they call it the wild west of poker.

You can check here
http://www.bitcoinpokerblog.com
If any of those have been in the money in any tournament. ..if not then harmless unless any of these are chip dumping to somebody else.

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Quote from: dave23 on August 28, 2014, 08:57:58 AM

I don't understand the relationship between multi-tabling and collusion.

Because it means that two (or more) people who know each other play at the same tables together on purpose. Sometimes its the same 3 people at 3 or more tables together. Why would you even risk your BTC in this situation? Yes, you can just assume that there is no foul play, but why would you want to when its your money on the line?

I've switched back to DragonPlay poker for now. The players there are actually better at poker than SWC.

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Quote from: nutildah on August 29, 2014, 08:47:08 PM

Quote from: Micon on August 27, 2014, 08:59:10 PM

We monitor & punish collusion, so I don't see why players couldn't multi-table, occasionally they will be playing with a guy from another table. Player pools per limit are pretty thin at this early stage of SwC, if a guy is multi-tabling similar limits he could easily be naturally playing with 1 of the guys from a different table.

If you found collusion on SwC, why not msg it to us? post proof publicly (PPP) ?

There are many times in this massive thread that a guy loses then screams collusion, but very rarely is there any proof to back up those claims - because like I said - we monitor and punish collusion, and in 2014 we have done it well IMO. As always - if you see something shady - please call it out and show your work - don't make vague statements no one can verify.

You should definitely limit players to 1 table per IP address. This would cut down on the amount of cheating and collusion immensely. I mean, you see why this is the right thing to do, right?

Its just stupid to play poker at a site that allows multiple people to play at multiple tables together. Do you understand? STUPID. The only people who think otherwise are the ones currently exploiting this design flaw.

I can't play at your site until you correct this very obvious problem.

I know a lot of people who play 2 or more tables. They need to add a bad beat jackpot because I've lost 5+ BTC from hands that would of qualified as a "Bad Beat" in nearly any other casino.

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Quote from: Micon on August 27, 2014, 08:59:10 PM

We monitor & punish collusion, so I don't see why players couldn't multi-table, occasionally they will be playing with a guy from another table. Player pools per limit are pretty thin at this early stage of SwC, if a guy is multi-tabling similar limits he could easily be naturally playing with 1 of the guys from a different table.

If you found collusion on SwC, why not msg it to us? post proof publicly (PPP) ?

There are many times in this massive thread that a guy loses then screams collusion, but very rarely is there any proof to back up those claims - because like I said - we monitor and punish collusion, and in 2014 we have done it well IMO. As always - if you see something shady - please call it out and show your work - don't make vague statements no one can verify.

You should definitely limit players to 1 table per IP address. This would cut down on the amount of cheating and collusion immensely. I mean, you see why this is the right thing to do, right?

Its just stupid to play poker at a site that allows multiple people to play at multiple tables together. Do you understand? STUPID. The only people who think otherwise are the ones currently exploiting this design flaw.

I can't play at your site until you correct this very obvious problem.

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Right now there is a player in the 66 freeroll with 10 accounts. afk, IAFK, oafk, pafk, qafk, rafk, tafk, uafk, wafk and yafk. If all those accounts are not the same person I will eat my hat! Pretty sad this kind off shit is happening on Seals, along with everything else. I guess that's why they call it the wild west of poker.

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Quote from: nutildah on August 27, 2014, 07:01:50 PM

Quote from: Micon on August 27, 2014, 06:18:30 PM

2) SwC uses many techniques to detect collusion.

Whatever they are, they're not good enough.

You shouldn't let people play at multiple tables, OR multiple tables together. The fact that you allow both of these things makes it infinitely easier for people to cheat than if you just banned this behavior altogether.

But you're not going to do this so, sorry, I can't ethically support your site.

Anybody who actually cares about their BTC should steer clear of SWC until they fix this glaring problem.

(I also bolded it so you know its extra important)

I don't understand the relationship between multi-tabling and collusion.

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Quote from: nutildah on August 27, 2014, 07:01:50 PM

Quote from: Micon on August 27, 2014, 06:18:30 PM

2) SwC uses many techniques to detect collusion.

Whatever they are, they're not good enough.

You shouldn't let people play at multiple tables, OR multiple tables together. The fact that you allow both of these things makes it infinitely easier for people to cheat than if you just banned this behavior altogether.

But you're not going to do this so, sorry, I can't ethically support your site.

Anybody who actually cares about their BTC should steer clear of SWC until they fix this glaring problem.

(I also bolded it so you know its extra important)

Shouldn't let people multi table? That's kinda why most of us play online poker isn't it?? I would drive myself nuts if I couldn't play more than one table at time. And because player pool so thin, yes, you do get many of the same players on multiple tables.

Collusion in NL I think is fairly easy to detect and actually play against. I'm not overly worried about collusion in NL ring games. PLO though is a very different breed. It has certainly gone on in those games and continues to and is a lot harder to detect if done properly.

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Quote from: nutildah on August 27, 2014, 07:01:50 PM

Quote from: Micon on August 27, 2014, 06:18:30 PM

2) SwC uses many techniques to detect collusion.

Whatever they are, they're not good enough.

You shouldn't let people play at multiple tables, OR multiple tables together. The fact that you allow both of these things makes it infinitely easier for people to cheat than if you just banned this behavior altogether.

But you're not going to do this so, sorry, I can't ethically support your site.

Anybody who actually cares about their BTC should steer clear of SWC until they fix this glaring problem.

(I also bolded it so you know its extra important)

We monitor & punish collusion, so I don't see why players couldn't multi-table, occasionally they will be playing with a guy from another table. Player pools per limit are pretty thin at this early stage of SwC, if a guy is multi-tabling similar limits he could easily be naturally playing with 1 of the guys from a different table.

If you found collusion on SwC, why not msg it to us? post proof publicly (PPP) ?

There are many times in this massive thread that a guy loses then screams collusion, but very rarely is there any proof to back up those claims - because like I said - we monitor and punish collusion, and in 2014 we have done it well IMO. As always - if you see something shady - please call it out and show your work - don't make vague statements no one can verify.

Also DonkDown Radio about now

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Quote from: Micon on August 27, 2014, 06:18:30 PM

2) SwC uses many techniques to detect collusion.

Whatever they are, they're not good enough.

You shouldn't let people play at multiple tables, OR multiple tables together. The fact that you allow both of these things makes it infinitely easier for people to cheat than if you just banned this behavior altogether.

But you're not going to do this so, sorry, I can't ethically support your site.

Anybody who actually cares about their BTC should steer clear of SWC until they fix this glaring problem.

(I also bolded it so you know its extra important)

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Quote from: nioc on August 27, 2014, 06:45:23 PM

The laws are for companies not players. AFAIK only the state of Washington has a law the covers players and it has never been used against a player.

Sorry I no longer have the good links but it should be easy to find info.

Thanks.

I found this Wikipedia overview useful, but you can never tell how accurate that information is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Scheinberg

It does seem that any BTC sites based outside the USA, but accepting customers from the USA are operating at risk?

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The laws are for companies not players. AFAIK only the state of Washington has a law the covers players and it has never been used against a player.

Sorry I no longer have the good links but it should be easy to find info.

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noob question.

Is gaming only with Bitcoin legal in the USA?

In particular, because the IRS called BTC and crypto assets and not a currency, does it skirt around the gaming restrictions?

any pointers to online references, much appreciated - if they exist.

thanks in advance.

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