1) If it's in red and bolded, it's fucking important.
2) SwC uses many techniques to detect collusion. As you may imagine, anonymous btc poker is a nice target and we know that. Collusion is actively monitored & some of you may have played with the filthy fucks and gotten a refund from "Collusion" before.
3) If you suspect collusion, please tell us ASAP or post your findings publicly if you feel that is the best course of action. >> [email protected] <<
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August 27, 2014, 06:18:30 PM
August 27, 2014, 06:01:58 PM
Hey Micon,
When are you going to start cleaning up the rampant cheating and collusion that happens in >50% of your NL tables?
Any time you have 2 or more players playing at more than 1 table together, they should be auto-kicked. If they continue patterns of collusion they should be banned. This is common sense.
I encourage everyone to boycott Seals With Clubs until Micon at least attempts to do something about the cheaters. The odds can never be fair when cheating is allowed. You will have more fun playing PokerStars.
When are you going to start cleaning up the rampant cheating and collusion that happens in >50% of your NL tables?
Any time you have 2 or more players playing at more than 1 table together, they should be auto-kicked. If they continue patterns of collusion they should be banned. This is common sense.
I encourage everyone to boycott Seals With Clubs until Micon at least attempts to do something about the cheaters. The odds can never be fair when cheating is allowed. You will have more fun playing PokerStars.
I agree this is an issue to some extent or another but "Any time you have 2 or more players playing at more than 1 table together, they should be auto-kicked."?? That is overly draconian IMO. And I imagine as the recipient of the rake Micon et al don't want to virtually disallow multitabling. For a small compony(miss you mosrite) like seals the challenge to eliminate collusion and cheating is pretty mammoth. Stars has an entire department and proprietary reporting to help with this...
tl;dr Your description of the problem is good. Your suggestion of a solution is not so good. it isn;t simple either.
The only way this could be done w/o punishing honest players is to permanently ban any account w/ the chips still in them if they're playing from the same IP on the same table.
August 27, 2014, 04:59:20 PM
Hey Micon,
When are you going to start cleaning up the rampant cheating and collusion that happens in >50% of your NL tables?
Any time you have 2 or more players playing at more than 1 table together, they should be auto-kicked. If they continue patterns of collusion they should be banned. This is common sense.
I encourage everyone to boycott Seals With Clubs until Micon at least attempts to do something about the cheaters. The odds can never be fair when cheating is allowed. You will have more fun playing PokerStars.
When are you going to start cleaning up the rampant cheating and collusion that happens in >50% of your NL tables?
Any time you have 2 or more players playing at more than 1 table together, they should be auto-kicked. If they continue patterns of collusion they should be banned. This is common sense.
I encourage everyone to boycott Seals With Clubs until Micon at least attempts to do something about the cheaters. The odds can never be fair when cheating is allowed. You will have more fun playing PokerStars.
I agree this is an issue to some extent or another but "Any time you have 2 or more players playing at more than 1 table together, they should be auto-kicked."?? That is overly draconian IMO. And I imagine as the recipient of the rake Micon et al don't want to virtually disallow multitabling. For a small compony(miss you mosrite) like seals the challenge to eliminate collusion and cheating is pretty mammoth. Stars has an entire department and proprietary reporting to help with this...
tl;dr Your description of the problem is good. Your suggestion of a solution is not so good. it isn;t simple either.
August 27, 2014, 04:07:13 PM
Hey Micon,
When are you going to start cleaning up the rampant cheating and collusion that happens in >50% of your NL tables?
Any time you have 2 or more players playing at more than 1 table together, they should be auto-kicked. If they continue patterns of collusion they should be banned. This is common sense.
I encourage everyone to boycott Seals With Clubs until Micon at least attempts to do something about the cheaters. The odds can never be fair when cheating is allowed. You will have more fun playing PokerStars.
When are you going to start cleaning up the rampant cheating and collusion that happens in >50% of your NL tables?
Any time you have 2 or more players playing at more than 1 table together, they should be auto-kicked. If they continue patterns of collusion they should be banned. This is common sense.
I encourage everyone to boycott Seals With Clubs until Micon at least attempts to do something about the cheaters. The odds can never be fair when cheating is allowed. You will have more fun playing PokerStars.
August 27, 2014, 01:23:43 PM
But odds are just odds, not absolutes
^this
And if you record every instance (EVERY INSTANCE!) over a large sample size you can verify things are as they seem, shuffle is properly random on SwC.
August 27, 2014, 09:31:48 AM
^^^ Couldn't agree more. It's impossible to look back and say "this or that *should* have happened". What happened is what happened. If you don't like your odds, you should fold. But odds are just odds, not absolutes, that's really the point of the game, I think.
August 27, 2014, 12:48:28 AM
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You should change the software. No matter how much you call it not rigged..
It is rigged. The variance is simply too much. and people river everything, after going all in on the turn or the flop.
There is such things as bad runs. Just last week I won a tournament of about 900 chips and for every single tournament I played after that, probably around 10 ones that were actually worth something I got screwed over. Ex. KK losing to QQ all in pre-flop, someone having 34 suited and then getting a flush two spades on the turn and river after I was betting high with 3 of a kind, 10-10 losing to 2-2 pre flop. Never had such bad luck so I'm taking a break for awhile. Sometimes it's just the cards you get.
August 27, 2014, 12:33:52 AM
1) There will always be rigtards. ALWAYS. #GoodScientist using absolutes.
And I have come to understand, believe, and celebrate the fact this means there will always be poker.
It's still fun to mock them though.
August 26, 2014, 11:42:38 PM
Disconnections and small player base are an issue. ..RNG and cash outs are not.
That is very well said IMO
1) There will always be rigtards. ALWAYS. #GoodScientist using absolutes.
2) Disconnects are something that we are working hard to fix. The server-side improvements being designed now address this. It seems to effect some players regularly and the majority of players not at all. ST6 seems to have a solution and it will be first tested on the beta server then pushed live when ready. Players can read this thread and judge for themselves, but it's something we very much know about and are very actively coding a fix.
3) I am very proud of SwC's cashout times. So consistant over our 3 year history. IMO something to look back on and say "we have done this right so far"
August 26, 2014, 11:36:20 PM
I use your poker site until few month ^^ Its a good place , thanks for it . im still a newby in but i withdraw few times thanks to freerolls
thks again ^^
thks again ^^
Enjoy it!
"Tell 'em where ya' got it from"
tyvm for playing on SwC
August 26, 2014, 10:58:07 PM
You should change the software. No matter how much you call it not rigged..
It is rigged. The variance is simply too much. and people river everything, after going all in on the turn or the flop.
It is rigged. The variance is simply too much. and people river everything, after going all in on the turn or the flop.
No it's not.
You are a moron.
Of all the problems and challenges Seals has (I will not make a list, but I could), you picked one that is entirely not real.
There are arguments to be made for different software. Your's is not one.
Switch to checkers.
I would have to agree. I have looked at the RNG that Maven uses and the math behind it...it is open source and can be downloaded from the Briggs site as well as a utility program to test it.
http://briggsoft.com/docs/pmavens/Utilities.htm#shuffle
...I am convinced that it is not rigged. I would trust the RNG more than Bovada' and ACR's.
Disconnections and small player base are an issue. ..RNG and cash outs are not.
This guy is a noob.
August 26, 2014, 06:58:03 PM
I use your poker site until few month ^^ Its a good place , thanks for it . im still a newby in but i withdraw few times thanks to freerolls
thks again ^^
thks again ^^
August 26, 2014, 03:56:49 PM
That said, Monero is one of the few alts which actually solves a problem. It would make the coinbase problem go away completely. 
I understand that this new crypto-currency called Monero that has anon features.
So all that needs to happen now is for monero to become more widely used than bitcoin, all the bitcoin exchanges and ATMs switch to Monero, and then you don't have the Coinbase issue.
meh, IMO stick with bitcoin.
FWIW, and I will not derail further, Monero and Bitcoin may exist side by side well (along with perhaps ONE alt 2.0 type coin). Bitcoin can remain open and traceable. A system in which records of payments are public and traceable. And monero can do the work of the crypto swiss bank account and perhaps take the place of the crypto cash transaction. Entirely fungible and private.
I think Seals would be crazy to take anything but bitcoin.
I also think players need to be responsible enough to manage their crypto wealth well and not do (frankly stupid) things like deposit from a poker site to an exchange hooked up to your bank account. Part of this money revolution is learning to manage your own accounts, and privacy.
I hide a portion of my crypto in Monero now. It is the only alt I own in any notable quantity, though I am also interested in about 3 others... Moving Monero to bitcoin to the poker site is something I can do in all of 2 minutes. And if I were ever to use coinbase (I will not) then they can be none the wiser of where my money has been...
But if people think the sorts of actions taken by coinbase are going away they are crazy. This sort of privacy breech will be MAXIMIZED by both corporate entities and governments.
August 26, 2014, 03:48:32 PM
That said, Monero is one of the few alts which actually solves a problem. It would make the coinbase problem go away completely.
I understand that this new crypto-currency called Monero that has anon features.
So all that needs to happen now is for monero to become more widely used than bitcoin, all the bitcoin exchanges and ATMs switch to Monero, and then you don't have the Coinbase issue.
meh, IMO stick with bitcoin.
August 26, 2014, 03:31:00 PM
So far whenever someone has come up to me and said "Why doesn't SwC accept X alt coin?"
the answer has always been "Because we already have bitcoin"
No crypto is more popular than bitcoin. All others are essentially copies of the bitcoin idea. We go with the original, the largest supported from a network and a human perspective. There is simply no reason to accept anything but btc at this stage.
The other part of this equation is that there exists many alt-exchanges, so anyone holding an alt that wants to play the largest crypto-currency poker site can convert with relative ease.
I think this is obviously a perfectly reasonable position. Seals does not have time to also run an exchange which is what taking multiple currencies is.
That said, Monero is one of the few alts which actually solves a problem. It would make the coinbase problem go away completely.
August 26, 2014, 03:27:56 PM
You should change the software. No matter how much you call it not rigged..
It is rigged. The variance is simply too much. and people river everything, after going all in on the turn or the flop.
It is rigged. The variance is simply too much. and people river everything, after going all in on the turn or the flop.
No it's not.
You are a moron.
Of all the problems and challenges Seals has (I will not make a list, but I could), you picked one that is entirely not real.
There are arguments to be made for different software. Your's is not one.
Switch to checkers.
August 26, 2014, 03:12:49 PM
No.
Seals is bitcoin only.
I have seen similar questions about alternative coins before and Micon literally said "never".
Seals is bitcoin only.
I have seen similar questions about alternative coins before and Micon literally said "never".
So far whenever someone has come up to me and said "Why doesn't SwC accept X alt coin?"
the answer has always been "Because we already have bitcoin"
No crypto is more popular than bitcoin. All others are essentially copies of the bitcoin idea. We go with the original, the largest supported from a network and a human perspective. There is simply no reason to accept anything but btc at this stage.
The other part of this equation is that there exists many alt-exchanges, so anyone holding an alt that wants to play the largest crypto-currency poker site can convert with relative ease.
You could just create new tables that you can only play with Litecoin. That's the only other ALT coin I know of that has value.
August 26, 2014, 08:46:24 AM
No.
Seals is bitcoin only.
I have seen similar questions about alternative coins before and Micon literally said "never".
Seals is bitcoin only.
I have seen similar questions about alternative coins before and Micon literally said "never".
So far whenever someone has come up to me and said "Why doesn't SwC accept X alt coin?"
the answer has always been "Because we already have bitcoin"
No crypto is more popular than bitcoin. All others are essentially copies of the bitcoin idea. We go with the original, the largest supported from a network and a human perspective. There is simply no reason to accept anything but btc at this stage.
The other part of this equation is that there exists many alt-exchanges, so anyone holding an alt that wants to play the largest crypto-currency poker site can convert with relative ease.
August 26, 2014, 07:16:23 AM
No.
Seals is bitcoin only.
I have seen similar questions about alternative coins before and Micon literally said "never".
Seals is bitcoin only.
I have seen similar questions about alternative coins before and Micon literally said "never".
August 26, 2014, 07:07:33 AM
Any chance you'll be accepting Monero anytime soon?
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