Topic: SebastianJu accepts transaction buying/selling bitcointalk accounts - page 2. (Read 1088 times)

The buyers and sellers of the accounts are the issues. Keeping people safe as an escrow isn't something to be punished for, regardless of what they are escrowing.

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What a silly thing to say.

I would.

There's just one tiny problem, why I won't:
I simply don't see anything wrong with escrowing a deal that is perfectly legal and even accepted under the rules of this forum.

If I negged that, where should I stop?
Could I also neg the escrows of any kind of deal I personally don't like?

I don't like selling Altcoins, ICOs, drugs, porn (because I consider it a human right to get that for free!), and probably a lot of other things.
But who am I to force my opinion on others?

I really loathe account sales.
But I will never judge anyone for escrowing them.

Very few people are so corrupt that they will leave negative ratings against people that speak out against them for made up reasons. Your level of corruption is the exception rather than the rule.

See won’t get tagged because he isn’t weak enough to be unable to defend his actions. He would win a debate of the issue on its merits.

You can't tag him even if you have proper justification without receiving unjust retaliation (not OgNasty, Seb. himself). Therefore, I highly doubt that anyone will act on this regardless of where they stand on escrowing forum accounts.

Bump, unbelievable seeing that SebastianJu is still walking around with no red tags, I know that you are afraid of OgNasty, I'm just hoping for the best.


Hear me out will you? if SebastianJu is not tagged with red left and right, people will use his service to buy and sell accounts, your great job at tagging account sales would be wasted if people could bypass somebody like you on DT2 and trade accounts safely. SebastianJu is not going to stop this because he is getting a fee for escrowing no matter what is the deal, if he is tagged though he will stop doing it.

I don't like it particularly, but I'm not going there with the tagging.  That goes for all escrows.  The purpose of an escrow is to keep the buyer and seller safe, which is what SebastianJu was doing.  That's necessary with bitcoin, and I would probably venture that escrow has been used for other things I wouldn't agree with--I don't have examples, just my suspicion, and I'm not talking about SebastianJu in particular.  But every situation is different. 

In this case, it's bitcointalk accounts and he might not agree with my stance that account buyers & sellers are killing this forum and can be used to scam.  I pick my battles, and this isn't one of them.

Doing escrow of buying and selling account is obviously tolerating the transaction of an account being transferred to someone else. Isn't being untrustworthy? Or is it only because a "SebastianJu" did the escrow that's why no one can touch him? So is it safe to say that the account that were escrowed by someone like "SebastianJu" can be safe and will not be tagged by DT members as long as they aren't violating any rules?

How about other members of this community doing escrow like this but not famous as SebastianJu, will they be neg tagged for this kind of transaction?

No hate, just asking this.  

Ignoring our newest forum sheep a.k.a pugman. moving forward with the fact that from now on people are going to use SebastianJu as escrow to buy and sell forum accounts without any risk.

Unfuckingbelievable, could we have a few topics on invites and accounts asking buyers and sellers to use the most trusted forum escrow for their deals already?

Irrelevant.

I am not trying to be a DT "bitch". I want to help this forum,yes. But being a DT member is not the only way. And change of behavior? The fuck? Do elaborate.

I don't do anybody favors,unless I know them very well personally.

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This has nothing to do with favors. Stop twisting my own words against me. I know what I said and I stand by it. Seb shouldn't be tagged for doing escrow.

Do you know there is something called,"There's an exception to anything and everything." This applies here.

Seb helps this forum, and the people by providing escrow so that people can't be scammed and you want to warrant him a negative trust because he is untrustworthy all of a sudden,just because he escrows accounts?

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What does =/= mean?

You have a very disturbing idea of what DT actually is. No wonder you're saying random shit.

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You have no clue on how this forum works, let alone DT. Do you know why theymos handpicked a few DT members? Do you? And FYI, people have been booted off from DT1.

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You can't say if he knew or didn't knew. If a community frowns such behavior, that doesn't mean that he should also frown such behavior.

I am not aware of any DT member that wants merit that badly. Most are Hero Members and Legendary.

This argument is still stupid and yet you continue to push it. Is this quote not enough? Haven't you seen it enough?

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You can leave feedback based on the person, not a specific trade.

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The comment section isn't relevant at all, then.

Are you the new merit source now? if you are then what happened to your promise of meriting those 10 posts in your application? if you are then it could explain your change of behavior, or are you trying to become more of DT bitches so that they could welcome you to their flock? are you also going to do favors for those who you or DT members trust? perhaps doing merit favors for them like some of the sources?
The problem with me is that I don't do favors for people, escrowing for account sales for years deserve a red trust. you disagree? you want to let them decide what is best?

Who says DT=trusted? DT actually means that theymos is favoring a selected few over others, he is not doing anything if these trusted few do something untrustworthy such as red tagging the competition or countering the feedbacks to hide the truth from the public eyes or bullying other forum members or leaving positive trust on whomever they want with no reference.
How does that make you feel if I could rank up anybody I want without giving them any merits? leaving positive trust with no reference is like that, they are increasing the trust scores of anybody they want without providing any evidence other than their words.

Here take this positive trust because I trust this guy.(without providing any convincing reason so that people know why this guy has a green trust)
Here take this forum rank because I trust this member.(without giving them merits so that people could see why this member is getting to the next rank)
Both of them are wrong.
Here SebastianJu has done escrow for account sales for years if you read the PM in the screenshot, didn't he know that the community was frowning such deals? yet he was gladly taking the deals because of his fees. unfuckingtrustworthy behavior no matter how much you don't want it to be.

I am sheep? WHY SHEEP? You can't even make names up now? who dis? Definitely not the digaran troll we all know.

DT members ain't gods. Trusted members =/= DT members. And no, I don't agree with all DT members. And I have told that openly.

Go away sheep. you are like the rest of them, you think DT members as your gods, what they say or what they do, what they decide. you are=sheep.
SebastianJu has done many escrowing for account dealers for years, he has facilitated a safe haven for them and now we're smelling all the shit he has done. on the bright side though, Quicksy now has a legitimate way to do account sales using the most trusted escrow. go figure eh.

You're comparing trusted members to shitposters. That is like comparing chicken to broccoli. No one likes broccoli.

I don't know if you remember this, marlboroza also gave you a warning and a second chance, did he not? He gave you the benefit of the doubt and so did all the other members who tagged you, initially. But you decided to fuck that up. What you were doing is wrong, and you knew it(which is why you edited your service topic numerous times to correct yourself).

Again, it is up to SebastianJu whether or not he decides to escrow accounts. That's his decision. If you want, you can tag him, not that anyone would care about that. If DT members see it right, they might tag him, and SebastianJu would do what would be the best case scenario for him,probably.

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Why don't you ask SebastianJu yourself?

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Off topic: Did you contact blazed yet?

OK, lets do this for everybody then, when you see somebody is doing something untrustworthy and wrong, just tell them that and if they didn't change their behavior then tag them. but I don't think anybody would do that, no they want to bully normal members and always give a free pass to trusted members (especially DT members). DT members here are not in the mood of giving any chance to those people they don't like. how do we know SebastianJu is not going to escrow for account sales anymore? should we just tell him that what he is doing is frowned upon by community and wait to see if he does that again or not?

Let us do that for everybody to show greatness and let them to learn that greatness from us.

Tagging is always not the right thing to do. It's up to the escrow on what he wants to escrow for. If the community really wants to eradicate account sales, then just tell Sebastien Ju that such thing is frowned in the community.

As always we have Quickseller defending account sellers and their escrows. if SebastianJu is not tagged and stopped right now, he will continue to do this forever, what is the meaning of tagging account dealers while giving a legitimate way of doing it safely?

People (largely though anon troll newbie accounts) have called for the tagging of everyone involved in any way of account sales for a long time, going back to 2015 or so. These same people have compared selling accounts to rape and murder, which is just ridiculous. This is just more evidence that hardliners against account sales are pointless to debate, act in bad faith, and are willing to ignore any community consensus, or lack thereof in regards to the underlying issue.

The fact remains that anyone who buys an accounts is, in effect, paying a bounty in the form of the price of their account that they will not engage in behavior that will result in them getting banned, nor that they will attempt to actually scam anyone (as in steal money, or attempt to steal money) because doing so will result in the account they paid for becoming worthless, or nearly worthless.

Ignoring all of the above, I generally do not like telling other people what kind of transactions they can and cannot take part of, when all parties to the transaction are fully understanding of the consequences of the transaction. Attempts to regulate these kinds of transactions is nothing more than a power grab.

Seb is one of the noted members on Bitcointalk and tagging for his service might actually make him leave bitcointalk. A lot of knowledgable and reputable members have left already, we don't want honorable members to leave, we want shitposters to leave.

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Then the community only includes a quarter portion of DT members and a few others. The main purpose of this frowning upon is to avoid scams and then spam. Other than that, nothing. The escrow has nothing to do with this. And Sebastian isn't the only escrow who has escrowed accounts. People give their bitcointalk accounts as collateral for loans and those are also escrowed. Point is, escrows shouldn't be tagged for this. Period.

The primary (notable) names that are or were against tagging people for account trading were those that were directly or indirectly involved in them (case example shorena). This should be an intuitive conclusion for anyone who isn't having a hard time beating monkeys at spelling 4 letter words.

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Looks like Seb. turned into what we here refer to as a pajeet. #SayNoToAccountTrades.