Selling pirated / illegal software licenses. - page 3.

Floord-1

member

Activity: 78

Merit: 100

Skype: jsweeney13

Quote from: Relnarien on June 29, 2014, 09:11:33 PM

I'm confused now as well actually. He/She keeps saying that proof of legitimacy will be provided to "others" for free if they ask for it, but not to anyone who asks for it.

I say just direct a Microsoft representative to his/her thread. Microsoft, the BBB and the seller's government can sort out the whole issue of legitimacy themselves.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=509600.140

Quote from: bluefirecorp on June 29, 2014, 09:11:25 PM

Violates forum rules mate. Can't sell illegal goods on this site. If this were silkroad / another site, sure go for it, I don't care. I just want to see that forum rules are actually rules and the play ground is even and fair.

Now, if we can start selling illegal goods, this could get rather interesting. Being able to purchase weed here would be rather neat! (Obviously, a few of us would need a new account or two, but still!)

Please carefully read content from me ... ignorant and conservative.

Finally: You accept the evidence buy of my or not?....spammers to raise Activity

Show the last posts of this person: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bluefirecorp-20802 (Pages: 1 -> 39)

bluefirecorp

legendary

Activity: 882

Merit: 1000

Quote from: Relnarien on June 29, 2014, 09:11:33 PM

I say just direct a Microsoft representative to his/her thread. Microsoft, the BBB and the seller's government can sort out the whole issue of legitimacy themselves.

That's kinda the problem though. They won't go for just the seller's thread. They'll go for the ENTIRE forum. And legally, they have the right to go for the entire forum. If I were selling weed on a website, the US government could take down the site rather easily. I mean, just look at megaupload.com and the whole kim dotcom thing!

Relnarien

sr. member

Activity: 399

Merit: 257

Quote from: lilfiend on June 29, 2014, 09:02:21 PM

Quote from: Floord-1 on June 29, 2014, 08:53:57 PM

Quote from: lilfiend on June 29, 2014, 08:47:03 PM

I don't see any reason for you to argue with bluefirecorp over this unless you aren't legit. You should have been able to provide some sort of proof by now.

I also don't see how he would need to pay you to see if you're legit. Unless all you're going to do is sell him a key and go "see? It's legit!"

I'd buy a home premium key if you could prove that you have the COA's for them, and could provide me with it.

Why don't you read this comment in my topic:

- Him ordered me to provide evidence or ask politely.

- Him got a knowledge so ignorant of Microsoft.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/selling-keys-windows-office-antivirus-509600

You are not my client ... You can not impose me to give evidence for you a free... If you want the proof ... Please pay money to see it ... OK! Wink Wink Wink

For others I can provide evidence for them for free ... As for you ... I like to send money.

PS: Please reputable members in this forum help me Escrow with this stupid guy...When I put out the evidence in a convincing way and make him see what a stupid comment on my toppic.

Price evidence for him = 300$

If I did not give evidence: Please banned my nickname...Removing my posts.

I'm so confused. Are you saying that now you won't provide me with evidence unless I throw $300 at you first simply because I bothered to ask for it? Fuck that. Show me proof of COA and I'll buy a key.

And BTW simply selling me a key that activates for now isn't proof of you selling me legitimate keys, they could be stolen via a keylogger or, as I suspect, resold from MSDN/MSDNA accounts.

I'm confused now as well actually. He/She keeps saying that proof of legitimacy will be provided to "others" for free if they ask for it, but not to anyone who asks for it.

I say just direct a Microsoft representative to his/her thread. Microsoft, the BBB and the seller's government can sort out the whole issue of legitimacy themselves.

bluefirecorp

legendary

Activity: 882

Merit: 1000

Quote from: tspacepilot on June 29, 2014, 09:08:33 PM

So, I don't get it. The OP is mad that someone is selling cracked microsoft stuff on the internet...

Jeez, if I wanted cracked microsoft products, I think I'd just crack them myself or download from thepiratebay or something. Seems to me that people who are paying money for stolen windoze software are crazy. Every pc I ever bought comes with windoze whether i want it or not. I always have to delete a copy of windows before i can put a proper os on. Who would pay for a stolen copy of a product that's so proliferant you can even get a computer without accidentally having a valid copy.

I totally don't get it.

Violates forum rules mate. Can't sell illegal goods on this site. If this were silkroad / another site, sure go for it, I don't care. I just want to see that forum rules are actually rules and the play ground is even and fair.

Now, if we can start selling illegal goods, this could get rather interesting. Being able to purchase weed here would be rather neat! (Obviously, a few of us would need a new account or two, but still!)

Floord-1

member

Activity: 78

Merit: 100

Skype: jsweeney13

Quote from: bluefirecorp on June 29, 2014, 09:05:17 PM

Even with proof of a COA, remember to contact Microsoft Support and talk to a representative there. Make sure they're able to tell you the key type and where it came from (which partner ID). With Microsoft, reselling product keys makes you a valued-added reseller (which means he's responsible for ANY microsoft questions you may have).

Please read carefully the contents of my ...spammers to raise Activity.

You are not my client ... You can not impose me to give evidence for you a free... If you want the proof ... Please pay money to see it ... OK! Wink Wink Wink

For others I can provide evidence for them for free ... As for you ... I like to send money.

PS: Please reputable members in this forum help me Escrow with this stupid guy...When I put out the evidence in a convincing way and make him see what a stupid comment on my toppic.

Price evidence for him = 300$

If I did not give evidence: Please banned my nickname...Removing my posts.

Quote

Are you ready to spend money to see the evidence from me?

Note: I Accept Escrow or you go first.

tspacepilot

legendary

Activity: 1456

Merit: 1081

I may write code in exchange for bitcoins.

So, I don't get it. The OP is mad that someone is selling cracked microsoft stuff on the internet...

Jeez, if I wanted cracked microsoft products, I think I'd just crack them myself or download from thepiratebay or something. Seems to me that people who are paying money for stolen windoze software are crazy. Every pc I ever bought comes with windoze whether i want it or not. I always have to delete a copy of windows before i can put a proper os on. Who would pay for a stolen copy of a product that's so proliferant you can even get a computer without accidentally having a valid copy.

I totally don't get it.

bluefirecorp

legendary

Activity: 882

Merit: 1000

Quote from: lilfiend on June 29, 2014, 09:02:21 PM

Quote from: Floord-1 on June 29, 2014, 08:53:57 PM

Quote from: lilfiend on June 29, 2014, 08:47:03 PM

I don't see any reason for you to argue with bluefirecorp over this unless you aren't legit. You should have been able to provide some sort of proof by now.

I also don't see how he would need to pay you to see if you're legit. Unless all you're going to do is sell him a key and go "see? It's legit!"

I'd buy a home premium key if you could prove that you have the COA's for them, and could provide me with it.

Why don't you read this comment in my topic:

- Him ordered me to provide evidence or ask politely.

- Him got a knowledge so ignorant of Microsoft.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/selling-keys-windows-office-antivirus-509600

You are not my client ... You can not impose me to give evidence for you a free... If you want the proof ... Please pay money to see it ... OK! Wink Wink Wink

For others I can provide evidence for them for free ... As for you ... I like to send money.

PS: Please reputable members in this forum help me Escrow with this stupid guy...When I put out the evidence in a convincing way and make him see what a stupid comment on my toppic.

Price evidence for him = 300$

If I did not give evidence: Please banned my nickname...Removing my posts.

I'm so confused. Are you saying that now you won't provide me with evidence unless I throw $300 at you first simply because I bothered to ask for it? Fuck that. Show me proof of COA and I'll buy a key.

And BTW simply selling me a key that activates for now isn't proof of you selling me legitimate keys, they could be stolen via a keylogger or, as I suspect, resold from MSDN/MSDNA accounts.

Even with proof of a COA, remember to contact Microsoft Support and talk to a representative there. Make sure they're able to tell you the key type and where it came from (which partner ID). With Microsoft, reselling product keys makes you a valued-added reseller (which means he's responsible for ANY microsoft questions you may have).

Floord-1

member

Activity: 78

Merit: 100

Skype: jsweeney13

Quote from: lilfiend on June 29, 2014, 09:02:21 PM

I'm so confused. Are you saying that now you won't provide me with evidence unless I throw $300 at you first simply because I bothered to ask for it? Fuck that. Show me proof of COA and I'll buy a key.

And BTW simply selling me a key that activates for now isn't proof of you selling me legitimate keys, they could be stolen via a keylogger or, as I suspect, resold from MSDN/MSDNA accounts.

It is asking for him...spammers to raise Activity

You: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=509600.140

lilfiend

member

Activity: 96

Merit: 10

Quote from: Floord-1 on June 29, 2014, 08:53:57 PM

Quote from: lilfiend on June 29, 2014, 08:47:03 PM

I don't see any reason for you to argue with bluefirecorp over this unless you aren't legit. You should have been able to provide some sort of proof by now.

I also don't see how he would need to pay you to see if you're legit. Unless all you're going to do is sell him a key and go "see? It's legit!"

I'd buy a home premium key if you could prove that you have the COA's for them, and could provide me with it.

Why don't you read this comment in my topic:

- Him ordered me to provide evidence or ask politely.

- Him got a knowledge so ignorant of Microsoft.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/selling-keys-windows-office-antivirus-509600

You are not my client ... You can not impose me to give evidence for you a free... If you want the proof ... Please pay money to see it ... OK! Wink Wink Wink

For others I can provide evidence for them for free ... As for you ... I like to send money.

PS: Please reputable members in this forum help me Escrow with this stupid guy...When I put out the evidence in a convincing way and make him see what a stupid comment on my toppic.

Price evidence for him = 300$

If I did not give evidence: Please banned my nickname...Removing my posts.

I'm so confused. Are you saying that now you won't provide me with evidence unless I throw $300 at you first simply because I bothered to ask for it? Fuck that. Show me proof of COA and I'll buy a key.

And BTW simply selling me a key that activates for now isn't proof of you selling me legitimate keys, they could be stolen via a keylogger or, as I suspect, resold from MSDN/MSDNA accounts.

Floord-1

member

Activity: 78

Merit: 100

Skype: jsweeney13

Quote from: skottiejay on June 29, 2014, 08:53:08 PM

I don't mean to impose on something I know very little about, while it IS illegal to sell these keys do you know how easy it is to get keys and activators online? Fuck you could go to kickass.to or some torrent site right now and activate your Windows version for nothing at all. The fact this guy is selling keys, whether they are legit or not that's all him. If they aren't legit and M$ finds out, someone surely will find a way around it.

Although I did read (I think?) that one of the OS's is going to start throwing in a kill-switch for pirated copies of their OS's in the near future, which is a good idea I guess but I'm sure someone will find a way around that as well.

What was the point of this thread? To tattle? I mean seriously, bitcointalk has literally become a bunch of cynical bastards who either cry scam on people or do shit like this.

Let me ask you this, what looking at this thread, all the threads that cry scam and the likes and others and tell me what would entice anyone to look into getting bitcoin? Seriously?

How is this going to convince anyone to adopt bitcoin?

Why don't you read this comment in my topic:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/selling-keys-windows-office-antivirus-509600

Quote from: bluefirecorp on June 29, 2014, 08:56:49 PM

The point is, if a business were to buy the licenses and got audited, there's a chance a person who was just ignorant would be going to jail. I'm trying to protect that person from ignorance. You don't do any sort of pirated software in a legit business and get away with it.

Honesty will entice people to look at bitcoin. A place filled with honest people and scammers being banned left and right.

Quote

Are you ready to spend money to see the evidence from me?

Note: I Accept Escrow or you go first.

Are you ready buy evidence spammers to raise Activity.

bluefirecorp

legendary

Activity: 882

Merit: 1000

Quote from: skottiejay on June 29, 2014, 08:53:08 PM

I don't mean to impose on something I know very little about, while it IS illegal to sell these keys do you know how easy it is to get keys and activators online? Fuck you could go to kickass.to or some torrent site right now and activate your Windows version for nothing at all. The fact this guy is selling keys, whether they are legit or not that's all him. If they aren't legit and M$ finds out, someone surely will find a way around it.

Although I did read (I think?) that one of the OS's is going to start throwing in a kill-switch for pirated copies of their OS's in the near future, which is a good idea I guess but I'm sure someone will find a way around that as well.

What was the point of this thread? To tattle? I mean seriously, bitcointalk has literally become a bunch of cynical bastards who either cry scam on people or do shit like this.

Let me ask you this, what looking at this thread, all the threads that cry scam and the likes and others and tell me what would entice anyone to look into getting bitcoin? Seriously?

How is this going to convince anyone to adopt bitcoin?

The point is, if a business were to buy the licenses and got audited, there's a chance a person who was just ignorant would be going to jail. I'm trying to protect that person from ignorance. You don't do any sort of pirated software in a legit business and get away with it.

Honesty will entice people to look at bitcoin. A place filled with honest people and scammers being banned left and right.

Floord-1

member

Activity: 78

Merit: 100

Skype: jsweeney13

Quote from: lilfiend on June 29, 2014, 08:47:03 PM

I don't see any reason for you to argue with bluefirecorp over this unless you aren't legit. You should have been able to provide some sort of proof by now.

I also don't see how he would need to pay you to see if you're legit. Unless all you're going to do is sell him a key and go "see? It's legit!"

I'd buy a home premium key if you could prove that you have the COA's for them, and could provide me with it.

Why don't you read this comment in my topic:

- Him ordered me to provide evidence or ask politely.

- Him got a knowledge so ignorant of Microsoft.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/selling-keys-windows-office-antivirus-509600

You are not my client ... You can not impose me to give evidence for you a free... If you want the proof ... Please pay money to see it ... OK! Wink Wink Wink

For others I can provide evidence for them for free ... As for you ... I like to send money.

PS: Please reputable members in this forum help me Escrow with this stupid guy...When I put out the evidence in a convincing way and make him see what a stupid comment on my toppic.

Price evidence for him = 300$

If I did not give evidence: Please banned my nickname...Removing my posts.

skottiejay

full member

Activity: 140

Merit: 110

bitcoinnaire

I don't mean to impose on something I know very little about, while it IS illegal to sell these keys do you know how easy it is to get keys and activators online? Fuck you could go to kickass.to or some torrent site right now and activate your Windows version for nothing at all. The fact this guy is selling keys, whether they are legit or not that's all him. If they aren't legit and M$ finds out, someone surely will find a way around it.

Although I did read (I think?) that one of the OS's is going to start throwing in a kill-switch for pirated copies of their OS's in the near future, which is a good idea I guess but I'm sure someone will find a way around that as well.

What was the point of this thread? To tattle? I mean seriously, bitcointalk has literally become a bunch of cynical bastards who either cry scam on people or do shit like this.

Let me ask you this, what looking at this thread, all the threads that cry scam and the likes and others and tell me what would entice anyone to look into getting bitcoin? Seriously?

How is this going to convince anyone to adopt bitcoin?

bluefirecorp

legendary

Activity: 882

Merit: 1000

Quote from: lilfiend on June 29, 2014, 08:47:03 PM

Quote from: Floord-1 on June 29, 2014, 08:30:11 PM

Quote from: bluefirecorp on June 29, 2014, 08:23:21 PM

Are you seriously trying to sell me a product in meta? Do you not understand you're being reported here for exactly this. If you want someone to pay for evidence that you're not selling illegal goods, you have another thing coming.

You are not my client ... You can not impose me to give evidence for you a free... If you want the proof ... Please pay money to see it ... OK!

For others I can provide evidence for them for free ... As for you ... I like to send money.

From these conditions I can comment as follows: You spammers to raise Activity.

Quote

Are you ready to spend money to see the evidence from me?

Note: I Accept Escrow or you go first.

PS: Please reputable members in this forum help me Escrow with this stupid guy...When I put out the evidence in a convincing way and make him see what a stupid comment on my toppic.

Price evidence for him = 300$

If I did not give evidence: Please banned my nickname...Removing my posts.

I don't see any reason for you to argue with bluefirecorp over this unless you aren't legit. You should have been able to provide some sort of proof by now.

I also don't see how he would need to pay you to see if you're legit. Unless all you're going to do is sell him a key and go "see? It's legit!"

I'd buy a home premium key if you could prove that you have the COA's for them, and could provide me with it.

Thanks for stepping up. If he can delivery a COA for a home premium key, let me know! (You shouldn't forget to specify which OS you want as well).

lilfiend

member

Activity: 96

Merit: 10

Quote from: Floord-1 on June 29, 2014, 08:30:11 PM

Quote from: bluefirecorp on June 29, 2014, 08:23:21 PM

Are you seriously trying to sell me a product in meta? Do you not understand you're being reported here for exactly this. If you want someone to pay for evidence that you're not selling illegal goods, you have another thing coming.

You are not my client ... You can not impose me to give evidence for you a free... If you want the proof ... Please pay money to see it ... OK!

For others I can provide evidence for them for free ... As for you ... I like to send money.

From these conditions I can comment as follows: You spammers to raise Activity.

Quote

Are you ready to spend money to see the evidence from me?

Note: I Accept Escrow or you go first.

PS: Please reputable members in this forum help me Escrow with this stupid guy...When I put out the evidence in a convincing way and make him see what a stupid comment on my toppic.

Price evidence for him = 300$

If I did not give evidence: Please banned my nickname...Removing my posts.

I don't see any reason for you to argue with bluefirecorp over this unless you aren't legit. You should have been able to provide some sort of proof by now.

I also don't see how he would need to pay you to see if you're legit. Unless all you're going to do is sell him a key and go "see? It's legit!"

I'd buy a home premium key if you could prove that you have the COA's for them, and could provide me with it.

EDIT: Windows 7 home premium... Wink

Floord-1

member

Activity: 78

Merit: 100

Skype: jsweeney13

Quote from: bluefirecorp on June 29, 2014, 08:37:22 PM

So, you're saying you'll provide proof that your products are illegal for anybody but me? Sweet. That'll actually work out perfectly. Please, a mod or admin contact him directly for proof of this. If his proof is 100% legit, post here to let me know. I'll apologize and lock this thread right then and there. Remember, we're looking to verify he's a Microsoft Partner or he gets his keys from a Microsoft Partner. Also, that he legally has the right to sell MSDN accounts (which isn't even possible according the ToS on Microsoft), AND he ships actual COAs of Microsoft keys for Home versions of Window

You are not my client ... You can not impose me to give evidence for you a free... If you want the proof ... Please pay money to see it ... OK!

For others I can provide evidence for them for free ... As for you ... I like to send money.

PS: Please reputable members in this forum help me Escrow with this stupid guy...When I put out the evidence in a convincing way and make him see what a stupid comment on my toppic.

Price evidence for him = 300$

If I did not give evidence: Please banned my nickname...Removing my posts.

bluefirecorp

legendary

Activity: 882

Merit: 1000

Quote from: Relnarien on June 29, 2014, 08:37:39 PM

Just have one of his/her "happy customers" ask Microsoft if the licenses are legitimate. Microsoft can easily tell if those licenses are pirated or are NFR. I'm pretty sure that a customer who cares about purchasing legitimate keys would not object to finding out if the key he/she just purchased was indeed legitimate. Name-calling and speculation are really pointless when you can easily contact one of his/her buyers and put the issue to rest once and for all.

Not quite as easy. See, I could sell a MSDN license key. It activates just like a retail / OEM key, however it isn't allowed to be in production / allowed to be used in an out-of-lab setup (not even allowed to use those keys on your desktop). But it follows the same activation process as any other key on the market.

He sells Home Premium keys without a COA which is literally impossible. Home Premium keys can only be obtained via retail / OEM which requires you to have the COA (certificate of authenticity), which he's never given out / shown proof of.

This is basic Microsoft Licensing. Anyone that's a microsoft partner (which you need to be to sell VLK) should know this.

Overall, if I were a business, and say I bought a hundred of his keys, and got audited by the BSA, I'd fail. I'd have to pay the retail price of all the license keys or be sued by Microsoft and not only pay court fees, but also massive fines. There might even be criminal damages in the end of the case.

Edit: Ah! Sorry about that, I didn't see the "ask" microsoft. If they were on the phone, and knew exactly what they were asking, they'd probably actually catch the key isn't legit.

Relnarien

sr. member

Activity: 399

Merit: 257

Just have one of his/her "happy customers" ask Microsoft if the licenses are legitimate. Microsoft can easily tell if those licenses are pirated or are NFR. I'm pretty sure that a customer who cares about purchasing legitimate keys would not object to finding out if the key he/she just purchased was indeed legitimate. Name-calling and speculation are really pointless when you can easily contact one of his/her buyers and put the issue to rest once and for all.

bluefirecorp

legendary

Activity: 882

Merit: 1000

Quote from: Floord-1 on June 29, 2014, 08:30:11 PM

Quote from: bluefirecorp on June 29, 2014, 08:23:21 PM

Are you seriously trying to sell me a product in meta? Do you not understand you're being reported here for exactly this. If you want someone to pay for evidence that you're not selling illegal goods, you have another thing coming.

You are not my client ... You can not impose me to give evidence for you ... If you want the proof ... Please pay money to see it ... OK!

For others I can provide evidence for them for free ... As for you ... I like to send money.

So, you're saying you'll provide proof that your products are illegal for anybody but me? Sweet. That'll actually work out perfectly. Please, a mod or admin contact him directly for proof of this. If his proof is 100% legit, post here to let me know. I'll apologize and lock this thread right then and there. Remember, we're looking to verify he's a Microsoft Partner or he gets his keys from a Microsoft Partner. Also, that he legally has the right to sell MSDN accounts (which isn't even possible according the ToS on Microsoft), AND he ships actual COAs of Microsoft keys for Home versions of Windows.

Quote from: Floord-1 on June 29, 2014, 08:30:11 PM

Quote from: bluefirecorp on June 29, 2014, 08:23:21 PM

From these conditions I can comment as follows: You spammers to raise Activity.[/i]

I'm already at the max amount of activity that helps me in any way, shape, or form. I'm a hero member, more activity doesn't really give me any more ranks. It's literally impossible for me to post faster than what my post limitation currently is. I mean, fuck. I've explained my reasoning for everything.

So far, your posts have been mostly repetitions of stuff I've already responded to on your thread, but let me be you for a second.

Form des conditioners I can has commenters as follows: You spamm0rz teh mah therds to raised acitiverity lerverls.

Floord-1

member

Activity: 78

Merit: 100

Skype: jsweeney13

Quote from: bluefirecorp on June 29, 2014, 08:23:21 PM

Are you seriously trying to sell me a product in meta? Do you not understand you're being reported here for exactly this. If you want someone to pay for evidence that you're not selling illegal goods, you have another thing coming.

You are not my client ... You can not impose me to give evidence for you a free... If you want the proof ... Please pay money to see it ... OK!

For others I can provide evidence for them for free ... As for you ... I like to send money.

From these conditions I can comment as follows: You spammers to raise Activity.

Quote

Are you ready to spend money to see the evidence from me?

Note: I Accept Escrow or you go first.

Topic: Selling pirated / illegal software licenses. - page 3. (Read 5323 times)