Sending bitcoin without the miner fees ! - page 6.

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Quote from: Easteregg69 on July 03, 2017, 02:09:25 AM

This is why Mc'donalds will ditch bitcoins in the long run.

It is to complicated if you just want a burger.

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the internal implementation of a banking system and a credit card is also too complicated but you don't see anyone complaining!

the reason is simply because the "end user" being the customer or Mc donals both won't be exposed to the details and complications. they just use a simplified interface which is that little device you swipe your credit card (i think it is called POS in English!) or a simple wallet interface for bitcoin.

the same way you don't need to know what happens when you swipe your card you don't need to know about fees, etc in bitcoin. the App should analyze and tell you everything.
and then the same way that credit card device rejects a dead or stolen, ... credit card, another bitcoin app/device can reject bad transactions with low fees or other risks.

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Quote from: BtcKing 1 on July 02, 2017, 08:15:36 PM

So i was thinking if i send a bitcoin transaction without the miner fee or a very low fee what will happen ? would i get the coins back eventually ? or they will just stuck there forever ! and if that happened how to do that double spend ?

Don't try such stupid stunts you will have your coins stuck for a very long period of time, and then what if they don't return to you, I do know they will return but say due to your bad luck they don't return then what will you do. What I would suggest you pay higher fees or look in the service section of this forum, one guy was offering free trx services, you could get in touch with him he will help your transaction go fast, but I would advise strongly against this low fee idea.

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Quote from: BtcKing 1 on July 02, 2017, 08:15:36 PM

So i was thinking if i send a bitcoin transaction without the miner fee or a very low fee what will happen ? would i get the coins back eventually ? or they will just stuck there forever ! and if that happened how to do that double spend ?

absolutely not recommended , miner fees used to be pay mined block on blockchain payment so i think your funds will stuck , i never experience this as well , do not use fees below 0.0005 btc or you cant get your money back , i guarantee it , just play it safe and everything should be fine

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Quote from: BtcKing 1 on July 02, 2017, 08:15:36 PM

So i was thinking if i send a bitcoin transaction without the miner fee or a very low fee what will happen ? would i get the coins back eventually ? or they will just stuck there forever ! and if that happened how to do that double spend ?

So if your transactions are not confirmed in a long time and your transactions are removed by pools, yes, the amount of Bitcoin should return to your wallet. But I suggest you not do that, it's not a right action.

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Quote from: bamboylee on July 03, 2017, 02:47:30 AM

What I want to know is why OP wanted to send bitcoin without mining fee? I think everybody in bitcoin knows that if you send without mining fees, it will be stuck. Does he sees any benefit in it?

Just curious. Grin

As reading comments on this thread, I've noticed that many people had tried it before. I guess they were also just curious.

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I think they system will not allow you to finish your transaction if the fee's amount will be too low and you will not have another option besides to pay a regular fee. Better don't even try.

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Quote from: totaleclipseofthebank on July 03, 2017, 01:56:44 AM

NO, you can not do that because wallet will not allow you to do that and if there is some bug and it allows you to do that, your transaction will never be proceeded and your money will be stuck for many days

It is possible to send the coins without any fee, if you are using a wallet which allows you to manually set the tx fee (such as Blockchain.info). But there is very little chance that the transaction will get confirmed. Most probably, the coins will be stuck for many days, and they will be returned to the sender address after that.

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your transaction will either return after 72 hours if in the mempool, or it will remain stuck there forgotten, and you can do some trick to have it back like

abandon transaction or if you are in prune mode and you get the abandon transaction greyed out, you can do this one

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19201753

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I was just experimenting with the same with my alternate wallet by giving low transaction for 1000 sathoshi it holds for week transaction confirmation was in hold after 6 to 7 days its back to my wallet . so its bad idea for giving less transaction fees now may be past it was working.

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What I want to know is why OP wanted to send bitcoin without mining fee? I think everybody in bitcoin knows that if you send without mining fees, it will be stuck. Does he sees any benefit in it?

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If you don't want some headache then don't send transactions without fees and just pay the recommendable fee.

And if you are using blockchain.info or xapo you can't even succeed with your transaction so it's a must to pay for it.

Always check the recommended fees so you won't be mislead.

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Quote from: BtcKing 1 on July 02, 2017, 08:15:36 PM

So i was thinking if i send a bitcoin transaction without the miner fee or a very low fee what will happen ? would i get the coins back eventually ? or they will just stuck there forever ! and if that happened how to do that double spend ?

If you will execute a transaction with a very low fee or worst, doesn't have miners fee then your transaction will just get stuck to the network and it will take a lot of weeks or even months to be confirmed to bring back your coins because the miners will prioritize the people who putted fees because that is how they will earn money and not the people who did not put fees.

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This is why Mc'donalds will ditch bitcoins in the long run.

It is to complicated if you just want a burger.

PS: Don't shoot the messenger..

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Quote from: BtcKing 1 on July 02, 2017, 08:15:36 PM

So i was thinking if i send a bitcoin transaction without the miner fee or a very low fee what will happen ? would i get the coins back eventually ? or they will just stuck there forever ! and if that happened how to do that double spend ?

Depends I would say to wait and go with a minimum fee with block confirmations the old standard text would be a risky but possible amount at times.
You could also wait on the network for a few months and see if that impacts the rates.
https://bitcoinfees.21.co/
The wait isn't to long at the time of posting though 8-78 Blocks or 50-660 minutes and not an infinite time on 0 so I guess you could gamble today and get lucky.
https://blockchain.info/charts/mempool-size?timespan=1year Trend seems to show a small mempool but fees are lagging and higher than needed in processing cases hmm it is interesting.

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NO, you can not do that because wallet will not allow you to do that and if there is some bug and it allows you to do that, your transaction will never be proceeded and your money will be stuck for many days

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Well without the miner fees is really just going to leave you nowhere, so I wouldn't go ahead and do something so drastic like that. You could in theory go ahead and pay lower fees, that could work but it's going to take a long time for something to go ahead and be confirmed, so if you're doing something that is time specific I would avoid this altogether as you're really not going to get anywhere.

If you're that concerned about overpaying for fees or something like that, I'd go ahead and find a fee estimator which can help you pay the lowest fee in the fasted amount of time to be confirmed. Those usually do the trick for me.

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Quote from: DOGE12321 on July 02, 2017, 08:23:46 PM

Quote from: BtcKing 1 on July 02, 2017, 08:15:36 PM

So i was thinking if i send a bitcoin transaction without the miner fee or a very low fee what will happen ? would i get the coins back eventually ? or they will just stuck there forever ! and if that happened how to do that double spend ?

First of all, I wouldn't suggest that you do that because it is a very stupid idea.

If a transaction goes unconfirmed for too long, it will eventually disappear from the network. Most clients will remove it from their pool of unconfirmed transactions at some point. And yes, the money should return to your account. When most clients have removed it, you can go ahead and send the transaction again, if you wish and I would suggest to use a higher fee. There's not a precise time when the transaction will disappear from the network, it could be days or up to a week. This is why it's always recommended to set a transaction fee.

Yes.Don't try that especially in this period where there is huge number of transactions stuck.If you still send it without a fee or with a very low fee,then it may take even one or two weeks to get confirmed or else,it may return to your account.I had that experience when i forgot to set transaction fee manually in my electrum wallet and it took around two weeks to get confirmed.

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Quote from: BtcKing 1 on July 02, 2017, 08:15:36 PM

So i was thinking if i send a bitcoin transaction without the miner fee or a very low fee what will happen ? would i get the coins back eventually ? or they will just stuck there forever ! and if that happened how to do that double spend ?

Don't try to send without paying a fee. It's better to pay with smaller fee if you want to try, base on my experience I paid for small fee but the transaction didn't reflect to my wallet and I was worried by that time and the note is unspent. But upon waiting for a while the amount credited. No bitcoin is being stuck, it will be only delayed for process.

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Quote from: xianbits on July 02, 2017, 11:14:44 PM

Ok wait, things gets more complicated to me now. Someone says it will return back to your wallet and someone also says it won't. Since there's this differences of opinion, it will be better to do the transaction with a miners' fee - playing safe, though.

its always better to play safe than having some issue, placing transaction fee is the best ways though its depend on how fast or quick you wants the mere fact that transaction will be push much quicker if you provide miners fee will be much convenient.

Even when you place a small transaction fee you'll be notified that the transaction may go unconfirmed, please make an increased transaction fee. So when you place the low transaction fee the risk is big, based on the fact it's good to go with the fee suggested by the wallet itself.

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