Sent funds to coinbase Aug9th and have not yet received them...HELP

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Quote from: LoyceV on September 04, 2018, 01:39:26 PM

The main question I have is: how did the ATM have your Coinbase address?

That one bothers me too.

I don't see a logical explanation (1) how the ATM could aquire YOUR deposit address from coinbase and
(2) why would the ATM forward a payment to another address not in their control. Especially since ATM's either receive funds and withdraw cash or vice versa.

Something smells fishy here. This doesn't make sense Huh

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Quote from: Oldnewbie on September 04, 2018, 03:02:30 PM

I think Coinbase does have a wallet.

If you don't hold the private keys, it's not a real wallet.

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Quote from: LoyceV on September 04, 2018, 01:39:26 PM

(because Coinbase is an exchange, not a wallet).

I think Coinbase does have a wallet.

Edit-- misunderstood Coinbase wallet, just an app they hold the keys.

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Quote from: Alexw592 on September 04, 2018, 09:55:14 AM

Lot going on here...the 12ngg does belong to the bitcoin atm. I had sent money to it before as a cash withdrawal. I have no idea how transaction #1 for $600 roughly was forwarded to my coinbase account...although I have used coinbase to withdraw to this coinbase atm as well. Transaction #2 is for sure stuck on the chain and I talked with the bitcoin atm, the 12ngg does belong to them and they are working on a solution today to get me my money. I assume as I sent to this address on accident that they were not looking for funds so they did not do anything with them

There's so many weird things going on here, but it would be crazy luck if you get it back!

The main question I have is: how did the ATM have your Coinbase address? Even if you did withdraw from Coinbase, that doesn't mean the funds came from your own address (because Coinbase is an exchange, not a wallet).

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Quote from: Thirdspace on September 04, 2018, 06:26:34 AM

Quote from: Alexw592 on September 03, 2018, 08:27:39 AM

I found the 12ngg address. Luckily I named each withdrawal address when I processed them through Kraken...this address is linked with a bitcoin atm I have used to withdraw in the past.
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I have sent funds to this atm before from both Kraken and Coinbase only confusing part is how did the transaction #1 find its way into my coinbase account if this address is linked with a third party ATM.

if you have used it to withdraw in the past, then it would show on the blockchain
but there are only two incoming transactions on that address and both was made on Aug 9th
also if you used 2 addresses from ATM that forward to 2 different coinbase addresses,
then you should be consciously linking the addresses, do you remember doing them?
coinbase addresses 33ppd... 36ii5... 3BnLn... was created in the same day with those transactions
they were done on August 9th, were you also using the ATM that day?

Quote from: Alexw592 on September 03, 2018, 07:47:46 AM

I also had a third transaction that same day...this transaction occurred 2 hours earlier
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does this transaction look normal? This also went into my account no problem!

so you have 3 withdrawals to 1xxx addresses which get forwarded to your 3xxx coinbase addresses
one thing for sure it worked only for the first tx on each address and ignore the second
are you sure those addresses related to the ATM, I think they are something else
btw what is the purpose of that ATM? it accepts btc and send out btc? (less 10k sats txfee)

Lot going on here...the 12ngg does belong to the bitcoin atm. I had sent money to it before as a cash withdrawal. I have no idea how transaction #1 for $600 roughly was forwarded to my coinbase account...although I have used coinbase to withdraw to this coinbase atm as well. Transaction #2 is for sure stuck on the chain and I talked with the bitcoin atm, the 12ngg does belong to them and they are working on a solution today to get me my money. I assume as I sent to this address on accident that they were not looking for funds so they did not do anything with them

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Quote from: Alexw592 on September 03, 2018, 10:12:28 AM

Would you think they would release the private key to me?

Probably not in that case, but I don't think that they would just keep your money either.
They are in the business to grow their operation, I don't think they want the liability of keeping your money if you can show that it is a mistake was honestly made.

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Quote from: Alexw592 on September 03, 2018, 08:27:39 AM

I found the 12ngg address. Luckily I named each withdrawal address when I processed them through Kraken...this address is linked with a bitcoin atm I have used to withdraw in the past.
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I have sent funds to this atm before from both Kraken and Coinbase only confusing part is how did the transaction #1 find its way into my coinbase account if this address is linked with a third party ATM.

if you have used it to withdraw in the past, then it would show on the blockchain
but there are only two incoming transactions on that address and both was made on Aug 9th
also if you used 2 addresses from ATM that forward to 2 different coinbase addresses,
then you should be consciously linking the addresses, do you remember doing them?
coinbase addresses 33ppd... 36ii5... 3BnLn... was created in the same day with those transactions
they were done on August 9th, were you also using the ATM that day?

Quote from: Alexw592 on September 03, 2018, 07:47:46 AM

I also had a third transaction that same day...this transaction occurred 2 hours earlier
~
does this transaction look normal? This also went into my account no problem!

so you have 3 withdrawals to 1xxx addresses which get forwarded to your 3xxx coinbase addresses
one thing for sure it worked only for the first tx on each address and ignore the second
are you sure those addresses related to the ATM, I think they are something else
btw what is the purpose of that ATM? it accepts btc and send out btc? (less 10k sats txfee)

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Quote from: Alexw592 on September 03, 2018, 10:12:28 AM

Would you think they would release the private key to me?

I doubt so.
They'll probably take the free money and won't release any private keys to you.

But it still would be worth a try. They might be refunding it (for a fee).

Quote from: Alexw592 on September 03, 2018, 10:12:28 AM

So are these funds sitting in that wallet address or still on the block chain?

Bitcoins are ALWAYS 'on the blockchain'. They are NEVER 'inside' of a wallet or 'in' an address.
The blockchain is the public ledger. The BTC's are assigned to an address.

And in order to use these UTXO's you'll need to have the corresponding private key to create a (valid) signed transaction.

Anyone with access to a private key, has access to all UTXO's associated to the addresses derived by this private key.

Quote from: Alexw592 on September 03, 2018, 10:12:28 AM

If they want to help me are they capable of sending funds back? Or how would they help me in this case

Yes.
If they want to help you, they are simply going to send the funds back. But i woulnd't expect them to do that.

Did you already find out why the first transaction got forwarded to coinbase ? This still seems to be somehow inconsistent because it doesn't make sense.

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Quote from: bob123 on September 03, 2018, 09:08:40 AM

Quote from: Alexw592 on September 03, 2018, 08:27:39 AM

I believe I stumbled upon the answer in my Kraken account...

You can save wallet addresses when you withdraw money...I found the 12ngg address. Luckily I named each withdrawal address when I processed them through Kraken...this address is linked with a bitcoin atm I have used to withdraw in the past. Essentially I selected this on accident...the atn company has the private key correct? They were not expecting the money to be sent to them, why it is still sitting on the chain

Would it be as simple contacting them and having it sent back to me? or how would this process work?

Yes, the ATM provider in this case has the private key to this address.

You might try to contact them, but if this address isn't actively a deposit address for your account, they probably won't do much for you.

It would be still worth contacting them.

Quote from: Alexw592 on September 03, 2018, 08:27:39 AM

I have sent funds to this atm before from both Kraken and Coinbase only confusing part is how did the transaction #1 find its way into my coinbase account if this address is linked with a third party ATM.

This seems really weird. There is no practical reason for the atm provider to forward your payment to your coinbase account..

Would you think they would release the private key to me? So are these funds sitting in that wallet address or still on the block chain?

If they want to help me are they capable of sending funds back? Or how would they help me in this case

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Quote from: Alexw592 on September 03, 2018, 08:27:39 AM

I believe I stumbled upon the answer in my Kraken account...

You can save wallet addresses when you withdraw money...I found the 12ngg address. Luckily I named each withdrawal address when I processed them through Kraken...this address is linked with a bitcoin atm I have used to withdraw in the past. Essentially I selected this on accident...the atn company has the private key correct? They were not expecting the money to be sent to them, why it is still sitting on the chain

Would it be as simple contacting them and having it sent back to me? or how would this process work?

Yes, the ATM provider in this case has the private key to this address.

You might try to contact them, but if this address isn't actively a deposit address for your account, they probably won't do much for you.

It would be still worth contacting them.

Quote from: Alexw592 on September 03, 2018, 08:27:39 AM

I have sent funds to this atm before from both Kraken and Coinbase only confusing part is how did the transaction #1 find its way into my coinbase account if this address is linked with a third party ATM.

This seems really weird. There is no practical reason for the atm provider to forward your payment to your coinbase account..

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Quote from: bob123 on September 03, 2018, 02:26:00 AM

And there is no possibility that you have confused the deposit address from coinbase with a 'wallet' address from coinbase ?
Did you ever use an 'online wallet' (from coinbase) ?

Can you tell us which version of the coinbase app you are using on your mobile ?

I only used the wallet addresses that were created inside the app...

I believe I stumbled upon the answer in my Kraken account...

You can save wallet addresses when you withdraw money...I found the 12ngg address. Luckily I named each withdrawal address when I processed them through Kraken...this address is linked with a bitcoin atm I have used to withdraw in the past. Essentially I selected this on accident...the atn company has the private key correct? They were not expecting the money to be sent to them, why it is still sitting on the chain

Would it be as simple contacting them and having it sent back to me? or how would this process work?

I have sent funds to this atm before from both Kraken and Coinbase only confusing part is how did the transaction #1 find its way into my coinbase account if this address is linked with a third party ATM.

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Quote from: Oldnewbie on September 02, 2018, 05:51:58 PM

Quote from: Alexw592 on September 02, 2018, 04:59:30 PM

Those addresses are the same when I copy them...they do not change

Have you upgraded the wallet since the first transaction?

I have not upgraded the wallet at all..I went through every account on coinbase I have and the 12ngg does not appear in anything. Only the 36ii address appears...

I also had a third transaction that same day...this transaction occurred 2 hours earlier

The address that shows in my Kraken account as where the money was sent is the following...
1AFqDhC98SnqtTYoRG68SLu2qNCnUdfeNh

Now this 1AF is also not associated with my coinbase account...the address below is what is associated with this deposit into coinbase...

0.06001968 BTC to
33ppd1SMCU63yQCKyhoX8ZVf1ZQX67VS8H (spent)

does this transaction look normal? This also went into my account no problem!

Could something be up on Kraken end?

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And there is no possibility that you have confused the deposit address from coinbase with a 'wallet' address from coinbase ?
Did you ever use an 'online wallet' (from coinbase) ?

Can you tell us which version of the coinbase app you are using on your mobile ?

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Quote from: Alexw592 on September 02, 2018, 04:59:30 PM

Those addresses are the same when I copy them...they do not change

Have you upgraded the wallet since the first transaction?

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Quote from: HCP on September 02, 2018, 02:48:51 PM

So we can eliminate there possibility of malware, can you please try the following:

- open coinbase wallet
- get deposit address like you did previously
- copy/paste that address into another app (like email or browser or notepad)

Is that address pasted identical? Or is it changed?

Those addresses are the same when I copy them...they do not change

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So we can eliminate there possibility of malware, can you please try the following:

- open coinbase wallet
- get deposit address like you did previously
- copy/paste that address into another app (like email or browser or notepad)

Is that address pasted identical? Or is it changed?

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Quote from: Thirdspace on September 02, 2018, 05:35:32 AM

	Transaction	Amount	Received Time	Included In Blocks
TX1A	afc31... kraken to 12ngg...	0.09481172 BTC	2018-08-09 15:47:54	535949 ( 2018-08-09 16:05:30 + 18 minutes )
TX1B	17fa9... 12ngg... to 36ii5...	0.09471172 BTC	2018-08-09 15:55:31	535949 ( 2018-08-09 16:05:30 + 10 minutes )
TX2	f1c52... kraken to 12ngg...	0.62574 BTC	2018-08-09 16:04:46	535949 ( 2018-08-09 16:05:30 + 1 minutes )
TX1C	48e9d... 36ii5... collected	by coinbase	2018-08-09 16:07:12	535950 ( 2018-08-09 16:08:32 + 1 minutes )

this is just my little tx forensic, may or may not be correct Tongue

as you can see above, both transactions TX1A & TX1B was confirmed in a single block 535949
TX1B is moving an unconfirmed utxo (at that time) and using a default txfee of 10k satoshi
it's unlikey done by coinbase (like TX1C), or any exchange or online wallet
exchanges would wait for at least 1 confirmation before moving fund

Thanks for the input...not sure what any of the tx forensic means?

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	Transaction	Amount	Received Time	Included In Blocks
TX1A	afc31... kraken to 12ngg...	0.09481172 BTC	2018-08-09 15:47:54	535949 ( 2018-08-09 16:05:30 + 18 minutes )
TX1B	17fa9... 12ngg... to 36ii5...	0.09471172 BTC	2018-08-09 15:55:31	535949 ( 2018-08-09 16:05:30 + 10 minutes )
TX2	f1c52... kraken to 12ngg...	0.62574 BTC	2018-08-09 16:04:46	535949 ( 2018-08-09 16:05:30 + 1 minutes )
TX1C	48e9d... 36ii5... collected	by coinbase	2018-08-09 16:07:12	535950 ( 2018-08-09 16:08:32 + 1 minutes )

this is just my little tx forensic, may or may not be correct Tongue

as you can see above, both transactions TX1A & TX1B was confirmed in a single block 535949
TX1B is moving an unconfirmed utxo (at that time) and using a default txfee of 10k satoshi
it's unlikey done by coinbase (like TX1C), or any exchange or online wallet
exchanges would wait for at least 1 confirmation before moving fund

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Quote from: Alexw592 on September 01, 2018, 09:38:29 PM

Quote from: cryptonerddy on September 01, 2018, 06:45:44 PM

Quote from: Alexw592 on September 01, 2018, 05:41:39 PM

Quote from: cryptonerddy on September 01, 2018, 05:09:03 PM

Try to figure this out, how many bitcoin wallets do you have?

I only use Coinbase and Kraken. That is it...I have a few diff wallets within coinbase but none show a balance.

Hope this helps and I appreciate your help or advise/help

Also, all the different wallets you have in coinbase, does any address start with a 1?

I use the app for iPhone. The wallet where the transaction #1 was deposited into starts with a 3

My other two accounts both start with 1 when I get a wallet address

ok, make sense then, if you say the others start with 1, just get a list of all the addresses used in the other 2 accounts and look for this 12ngg3CB9VDvkbFDx7JKY92i9kYgDmiEaj address.

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Quote from: Alexw592 on September 01, 2018, 01:03:58 PM

How else would deposit #1 find its way into my coinbase account?

Still didn't get it after all of our previous replies?
Okay, I'll break it down in a list:

First open a blockexplorer where 12ngg3CB9VDvkbFDx7JKY92i9kYgDmiEaj's history was listed: here Open in a new Tab
Secondly, from the bottom of the page, transaction afc314f97ab2e02076c4ceba0c2d8493b840b23570b97b2a60fcf5cf57fca9ae is your 1st tx which have inputs from Kraken's addresses to different outputs including 0.09481172 BTC to 12ngg3CB9VDvkbFDx7JKY92i9kYgDmiEaj.
But this tx wasn't credited by coinbase since it isn't their address.
Next, transaction 17fa98a77b8ce4dc91bd9569f4663687922344f223b9979dbb54a31996b11beb the 0.094BTC was quickly sent by the user or malware program to 36ii5gNkZw2vAZ8TVk9dYXtVVbJxk68hiE which belongs to your coinbase account (we can confirm this by looking at the image you've provided)
And this is why the first transaction made it through your coinbase account.

The Second transaction's funds however, is still being held by 12ngg3CB9VDvkbFDx7JKY92i9kYgDmiEaj: f1c52f3edd8fcb8277013b7654bcba48a1c3559bddd6ff305a95491210d6fde0

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