Topic: serious discussion on the strategy of the manipulator. Please no flame posts - page 2. (Read 7872 times)

Yes, I mean MORE organized than that.

Well, we do not know that. Not with certainty that justifies all caps.


A rally is an organized motion, in so far as a herd is organized.

His wall always get torn down when we get close to them...

Thus the question: Why we do not mount a ORGANIZED rally, so that he is forced to remove his wall or let us buy it? (and thus cause a real rally).



It is obvious that part of his strategy is maintain the price where he wants, and do so by using fake walls... If we push HARD against those walls, we will break his strategy, and then we "win"



What we need to to is simple, gather lots of fiat, and then at a organized time, buy all BTC that we can... the spike will:

a) Scare the wall away.

or

b) Buy the wall away.



Of course, this has a potential flaw: People that know of the plan that do not believe in a real rally, might want to use us all buying BTC to create the spike, as a sure-fire way to dump all their BTC without causing a crash...

Okay Descartes

This isn't trying to prove the existence of God. This is proving the existence of a specific person with deep pockets, who is throwing large orders at the Bitcoin market with the intent of evoking a specific buy/sell response from other players. Seeing as how quickly and thoroughly Bruce Wagner was exposed, I don't think I'm asking too much.
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The existence of a rich person or people working together isn't even up for debate. Someone with HUGE pockets has massive walls up. Those walls are put up and and taken down instantly all the time, generally at key times when action is happening. If you haven't seen those, you shouldn't be commenting. The fact these massive walls appear and disappear instantly, along with how they are used, is plenty of proof that a very rich 'person' exists. You just seem to have a huge problem with them being called "The Manipulator" even though it fits with your provided definition. There was a massive 10000btc sell that crashed everything at 6.90 which may or may not have been the same person.  "His" exact goal can only be speculated, but that goal is really the only aspect that remains up for debate, not the "persons" existence. You can see the walls just like everyone else.

The 'twists and turns' caused to the market by "his" behavior aren't 'ulterior motives' or a hidden agenda, they are relatively CLEAR motives, almost blatant for the world to see. They would be ulterior if he made a public statement about his goals, and then did the opposite. Of course it isn't an ulterior motive, WE KNOW HE WANTS TO MAKE MONEY. Kind of clear, just like you said. So unless he honestly thinks that 17000btc wall will sell, he has a reason for keeping the price from getting any higher. He doesn't want it to go over 7, at least not yet, most likely because it will make him money 'playing the market' as you said. These walls have stopped rallies, massive 10000 coin sell offs have caused panic crashes. Perhaps you are suggesting that this "person" is ALSO an idiot (like everyone here according to you), because how can they expect to sell 17000btc in a massive rally stopping wall instead of spreading it out? But wait! Every single time the price gets close to his walls he removes them! So clearly he doesn't actually want to sell that that price. Thus we come back to manipulation and "their" strategy.

Purposefully playing with a small market with tons of money or doing so accidentally through ignorance achieves the same result. Calling it 'the manipulator' 'it' 'he' 'she' 'the conductor', it is all the same. The market is affected.  So what is your theory? All you've done is talk shit. Why is the 17000btc sitting there at $7? Why was the 12000btc sitting at $5 until yesterday when the price got close? Why has this been happening for almost two months? Why does "THE CONDUCTOR" make these walls? Please regale us with your 'non idiot' wisdom.

The point of the thread is not to decide whether the manipulator exists or not; it is about, the behavior of the manipulator, regardless of whether he is hypothetical or real.

Revalin:

I'm intrigued by your charts, but I'm having a hard time parsing them.  Can you break it down a little bit more?

Okay Descartes

This isn't trying to prove the existence of God. This is proving the existence of a specific person with deep pockets, who is throwing large orders at the Bitcoin market with the intent of evoking a specific buy/sell response from other players. Seeing as how quickly and thoroughly Bruce Wagner was exposed, I don't think I'm asking too much.

Prove to me you exist.

Correct. You do not.


Incorrect. Reread the first post for further explanation.

I guess I just haven't hugged enough rainbows.

Harsh people exist. On this topic, I am one of them. I don't have to prove to others the LACK of existence of this mysterious, omnipresent, "The Manipulator." You have to prove his existence to me! And every time someone here tries and fails to conclusively do that, I am going to tell them why they're an idiot.

A daily gain against a monthly drop bouncing along a year long upward support.




I nominate this guy for Grand Internet Poobah.

Major askwalls at 5.8, 6.0 are gone... manipulator is away for the moment.

My way:  Listen to what they have to say with an open mind.  Give them some honest consideration.  Show them the facts the way I see them.  Give them a chance to show how their theory works.  We all get a chance to consider the merit of our ideas, and perhaps some opinions change.

Your way:  Tell them they're wrong.  State your opinion in all caps, but don't bother actually backing up your opinions with facts or data.  Become increasingly condescending in your tone, culminating in calling them idiots.  Finally act surprised that no one listens to you.

If you stare at that second chart a little you can see that a previous resistance trendline is now a support.  Granted, the trendline is going downwards but still...

That is pretty easy to do etc. First he pushes the price up ( pumps ) then when he gets it to what he wants etc. he dumps a boatload of coins like happened with 20k last week etc.

I've been thinking, without him, the market would stagnate.  What is useful is to be able to predict his next move.

Hey Nagle, I love a good gloom'n'doom story as much as anyone, but you're not even trying anymore. With 50% monthly declines, bitcoin has been hyper-depreciating 8 June to 8 September! And the past 30 days have been no exception.

Wait wait wait....


then...


Clearly, in quote number two, you admit that you believe that 'he' is putting up massive amounts of money to "twist and turn and entire market." How is that NOT belief in an ulterior motive?? ?? ??

When I place a buy order, I'm simply trying to buy some coins. When 'he' places a buy order, he's doing it to twist the market... Unfairly!

ULTERIOR. MOTIVE.

Like I said, pick up a dictionary.

I'd rather spend my time gleefully trolling, as it's something that, as you can tell, I deeply, deeply enjoy. Unfortunately, the idiocy surrounding the belief in "THE MANIPULATOR" has shocked me straight.

@Revalin: I read the OP, and the thread title, and I ignored it because I was foolish enough to believe I could talk sense into people on the internet. Truly, I am the naive one.

Fuck

I lost lots of money

I bought leveraged, and then that huge sale that threw it to below 5 happened And I got a automatic liquidation

EPIC market manipulation. The government is onto us people. Run for ya lives