Topic: serious discussion on the strategy of the manipulator. Please no flame posts - page 3. (Read 7872 times)
September 21, 2011, 05:09:06 PM
uh! the whole market is THE MANIPULATOR! WTF!
September 21, 2011, 05:07:19 PM
That one wasn't! The whole side is "The Manipulator"! lol
September 21, 2011, 04:57:40 PM
Did anyone else see the $.40 of sells just drop out?
They were bought, I think.
September 21, 2011, 04:54:32 PM
Yes, it was... odd.
September 21, 2011, 04:52:52 PM
Did anyone else see the $.40 of sells just drop out?
September 21, 2011, 04:47:30 PM
So, WTF was that?
September 21, 2011, 04:33:00 PM
It's clear that there are some active traders with programs trying to profit from small swings. But averaged out over a month, they have little effect.
Bitcoin, down $4 a month every month since June.
On the scale of days, there are lots of little "rallies" and "crashes". But few exceed 3 days, and at the end of each cycle, the price is down. Each time there's a "rally", after about two days the market depth on the buy side dries up. We're watching a thinly traded market being played by short term traders, probably with the same money going round and round.
Bitcoin, down $4 a month every month since June.
On the scale of days, there are lots of little "rallies" and "crashes". But few exceed 3 days, and at the end of each cycle, the price is down. Each time there's a "rally", after about two days the market depth on the buy side dries up. We're watching a thinly traded market being played by short term traders, probably with the same money going round and round.
in your outlook what is going to be a new low in this round? and in what timeframe?
September 21, 2011, 04:21:43 PM
It's clear that there are some active traders with programs trying to profit from small swings. But averaged out over a month, they have little effect.
Bitcoin, down $4 a month every month since June.
On the scale of days, there are lots of little "rallies" and "crashes". But few exceed 3 days, and at the end of each cycle, the price is down. Each time there's a "rally", after about two days the market depth on the buy side dries up. We're watching a thinly traded market being played by short term traders, probably with the same money going round and round.
Bitcoin, down $4 a month every month since June.
On the scale of days, there are lots of little "rallies" and "crashes". But few exceed 3 days, and at the end of each cycle, the price is down. Each time there's a "rally", after about two days the market depth on the buy side dries up. We're watching a thinly traded market being played by short term traders, probably with the same money going round and round.
September 21, 2011, 04:20:48 PM
Actually I think the goal here is to predict his moves to profit off them.
That is what I've been trying to do, might as well if we are stuck with it... whatever it/she/he/them "The Conductor"
is. 
Maybe it is Obongo and he's just trying to make a few $$$. Who knows ? September 21, 2011, 04:19:19 PM
It really is all a conspiracy against us. Government manipulates BTC price and makes it crash to levels like 1 dollar etc. -> mining becomes unprofitable -> miners quit -> government takes over network without 13 million needed worth of ATI cards etc. Simples
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This is certainly a possibility
some institution/company who has an interest to drive bitcoins down
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This is certainly a possibility
some institution/company who has an interest to drive bitcoins down
September 21, 2011, 04:17:06 PM
Actually I think the goal here is to predict his moves to profit off them.
That is what I've been trying to do, might as well if we are stuck with it... whatever it/she/he/them "The Conductor"
is. September 21, 2011, 04:13:07 PM
> they are manipulating it UNFAIRLY
do they play above rules that the rest of people go by on the market?
larger wallet has larger pull, or is it unfair?
do they play above rules that the rest of people go by on the market?
larger wallet has larger pull, or is it unfair?
September 21, 2011, 04:12:57 PM
Actually I think the goal here is to predict his moves to profit off them.
September 21, 2011, 04:08:16 PM
And I'm saying it doesnt matter if they are purposefully 'being malicious' or just 'trying to make money' it is still manipulation. How about you read the dictionary yourself, there is nothing 'fair' about a 17000btc wall and selling 10000btc at once to drop the price. You posting the dictionary just proved my point.
What a joke!
If you truly believed there was no ulterior motive, you'd be calling him "The Conductor" or something without obvious negative connotation.
Instead, you idiots think there is intent to stop natural market motion for 'his' own greedy motives.
This guy is just playing the market, trying to make a buck, like the rest of us.
Of course he is playing the market for personal gain, that is kind of 'no shit' obvious. I don't speak for everyone but I've never said anything about conspiracy or 'ulterior motives' so attempting to paint me in that light isn't going to stick. If a person uses massive amounts of money to twist and turn an ENTIRE MARKET made up of thousands of people in order to make themselves more money, they are manipulating it UNFAIRLY, just as your posted definition of manipulation states. What are you going to reply next, a flip flop retraction of your 'read the dictionary' post? Perhaps you can just call us all idiots some more and impress us with your debating skills.
The term 'market manipulation' exists for a reason. It wasn't invented with BitCoin, or the speculation forum, and small markets such as BTC have the most potential to be manipulated. Every post you make weakens your own arguments. No shit the person probably just wants to make more money. Stick to your trolling/mocking (though entertaining) prayer posts, you're better at those.
September 21, 2011, 04:01:31 PM
Mining wouldn't cost that much electricity if we went back to CPU mining. Solidcoin v2 changed the hash scheme to promote CPU mining. Perhaps bitcoin should do likewise?
Bitcoin is the GOD !!! How dare you propose Scamcoin is better !?!?
September 21, 2011, 04:00:08 PM
Mining wouldn't cost that much electricity if we went back to CPU mining. Solidcoin v2 changed the hash scheme to promote CPU mining. Perhaps bitcoin should do likewise?
September 21, 2011, 03:57:21 PM
It really is all a conspiracy against us. Government manipulates BTC price and makes it crash to levels like 1 dollar etc. -> mining becomes unprofitable -> miners quit -> government takes over network without 13 million needed worth of ATI cards etc. Simples !
The government is making cuts so they need to be clever with the $$$
The government is making cuts so they need to be clever with the $$$
September 21, 2011, 03:53:46 PM
Jixtreme, please read the OP and GTFO? Your opinion has been well covered in other threads, and we'd like to get back to our discussion.
I personally don't believe in The Manipulator as presented (using bid/ask walls to corral the market), since all I've seen there is evidence of a market being a market. However, I'd like to dig into why some people do. That's why I'm bringing out my charts: people are making lots of guesses at things they're seeing in the market depth, but I think it's mostly just from an incomplete picture. I'm interested if people still see it when they're looking at the whole progression over time.
I do have an interesting manipulation theory of my own, but I want to finish hearing this one out first.
I personally don't believe in The Manipulator as presented (using bid/ask walls to corral the market), since all I've seen there is evidence of a market being a market. However, I'd like to dig into why some people do. That's why I'm bringing out my charts: people are making lots of guesses at things they're seeing in the market depth, but I think it's mostly just from an incomplete picture. I'm interested if people still see it when they're looking at the whole progression over time.
I do have an interesting manipulation theory of my own, but I want to finish hearing this one out first.
September 21, 2011, 02:26:47 PM
And I'm saying it doesnt matter if they are purposefully 'being malicious' or just 'trying to make money' it is still manipulation. How about you read the dictionary yourself, there is nothing 'fair' about a 17000btc wall and selling 10000btc at once to drop the price. You posting the dictionary just proved my point.
What a joke!
If you truly believed there was no ulterior motive, you'd be calling him "The Conductor" or something without obvious negative connotation.
Instead, you idiots think there is intent to stop natural market motion for 'his' own greedy motives.
This guy is just playing the market, trying to make a buck, like the rest of us.
September 21, 2011, 02:16:43 PM
It doesn't need to me malicious to be manipulation.
Pick up a dictionary:
ma·nip·u·late /məˈnɪpyəˌleɪt/ Show Spelled[muh-nip-yuh-leyt] Show IPA
verb (used with object), -lat·ed, -lat·ing.
1. to manage or influence skillfully, especially in an unfair manner.
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And I'm saying it doesnt matter if they are purposefully 'being malicious' or just 'trying to make money' it is still manipulation. How about you read the dictionary yourself, there is nothing 'fair' about a 17000btc wall and selling 10000btc at once to drop the price. You posting the dictionary just proved my point.
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