Seriously? "WARNING: This user is a newbie.."

Bifta

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Quote from: jackg on November 08, 2015, 11:24:55 AM

Quote from: Hariom on November 08, 2015, 04:04:22 AM

Quote from: Spoetnik

i got that pm message *header* occasionally and i thought people were writing that in on their own.. doh LOL

Haha spoetnik bro U came to know about it now ??
When u were newbie that time u didnot came to know about this brother ? Hehehe

From July 18, 2013, 04:03:36 AM and you only noticed it in November 5/6 2015?

Maybe he use forum messages only occasionally.. Wink

jackg

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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory

Quote from: Hariom on November 08, 2015, 04:04:22 AM

Quote from: Spoetnik

i got that pm message *header* occasionally and i thought people were writing that in on their own.. doh LOL

Haha spoetnik bro U came to know about it now ??
When u were newbie that time u didnot came to know about this brother ? Hehehe

From July 18, 2013, 04:03:36 AM and you only noticed it in November 5/6 2015?

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Quote from: Spoetnik

i got that pm message *header* occasionally and i thought people were writing that in on their own.. doh LOL

Haha spoetnik bro U came to know about it now ??
When u were newbie that time u didnot came to know about this brother ? Hehehe

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FUD Philanthropist™

Quote from: hilariousandco on October 15, 2015, 03:01:15 AM

Quote from: Unstoppable on October 15, 2015, 02:26:36 AM

Let's come up with solution better than this

Go on then. What do you suggest as a solution? The warning is there because impersonation by newbs of higher ranked members was becoming rife and they had actually been successful in scamming people. Since this warning was put into place I don't believe there's been a single successful scam this way so it works.

i got that pm message *header* occasionally and i thought people were writing that in on their own.. doh LOL

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Quote from: jackg on November 07, 2015, 06:19:28 PM

Quote from: koshgel on November 07, 2015, 06:12:58 PM

Good feature that helps cripple scammers preying on distracted/gullible users through PM.

Plus, it doesn't take much activity to get out of the newbie status anyway.

The Gullible shouldn't really be using the internet if they can believe information sent by a pm from a random stranger they don't know and to hand over money from this!
Can people not just check the activity of a person and their rank to see that they are not a hero member they were expecting a PM from? That's the first think I check when reading amessage, who it was from!

Some people deal with dozens of PM a day, having to manually check everything every time is a lot of work, and not every user that they deal with are users with avatar or with a lot of posts.

Its pretty easy to catch an impersonator this way and it does not affect legit users.

I don't think people realize how many of these attacks there were daily.

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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory

Quote from: koshgel on November 07, 2015, 06:12:58 PM

Good feature that helps cripple scammers preying on distracted/gullible users through PM.

Plus, it doesn't take much activity to get out of the newbie status anyway.

The Gullible shouldn't really be using the internet if they can believe information sent by a pm from a random stranger they don't know and to hand over money from this!
Can people not just check the activity of a person and their rank to see that they are not a hero member they were expecting a PM from? That's the first think I check when reading amessage, who it was from!

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Good feature that helps cripple scammers preying on distracted/gullible users through PM.

Plus, it doesn't take much activity to get out of the newbie status anyway.

VirosaGITS

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Quote from: jackg on November 07, 2015, 02:50:36 PM

Quote from: Bifta on November 07, 2015, 02:23:43 PM

Quote from: hedgy73 on November 07, 2015, 01:43:08 PM

The only people moaning about this are the newbie scammers because its making their scamming difficult.

Well do you know what I say about that. Fuck them they're not welcome here Angry

.

True, everyone who have good intentions don't seems to care, takes it as a information and that's all. I think that's what most bothers scammers!

I found that quite annoying when I was a newbie. I am not a scammer or anything but it does leave a large flag up to everyone that I pmmed. Luckily it was very few people. It could at least be in the same size as the message text rather than in the bitcointalk maximum size of 50pt instead of 20pt.

I had no problem doing dealings as and with people with the flag. People will just expect you to do escrow, you'll only gain instant distrust if you refuse escrow, refuse to prove you have the goods with the typical picture + handwritten note.

If anything, there is a certain bias because most of the people with that flag are often people who don't want to follow the etiquette. Those who does lose the flag momentarily.

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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory

Quote from: Bifta on November 07, 2015, 02:23:43 PM

Quote from: hedgy73 on November 07, 2015, 01:43:08 PM

The only people moaning about this are the newbie scammers because its making their scamming difficult.

Well do you know what I say about that. Fuck them they're not welcome here Angry

.

True, everyone who have good intentions don't seems to care, takes it as a information and that's all. I think that's what most bothers scammers!

I found that quite annoying when I was a newbie. I am not a scammer or anything but it does leave a large flag up to everyone that I pmmed. Luckily it was very few people. It could at least be in the same size as the message text rather than in the bitcointalk maximum size of 50pt instead of 20pt.

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Quote from: hedgy73 on November 07, 2015, 01:43:08 PM

The only people moaning about this are the newbie scammers because its making their scamming difficult.

Well do you know what I say about that. Fuck them they're not welcome here Angry

.

True, everyone who have good intentions don't seems to care, takes it as a information and that's all. I think that's what most bothers scammers!

jackg

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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory

Quote from: bill gator on November 07, 2015, 01:35:02 PM

It's as simple as sticking around for a couple weeks and this heading is removed from your messages. There need not be a solution to something that isn't a problem.

Any newbie worth his salt will not care about this being in their messages and it will be gone extremely soon.

This message has never hurt somebody, but I'm sure it has helped many.

A few weeks? Its over a month that a user must wait. They have to wait until they are atleast JR for atleast 1 day.

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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory

Quote from: Unstoppable on October 15, 2015, 02:26:36 AM

So I sent someone private message and I saw this message attached on the top:

"!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!"

I don't know guys but this isn't welcoming and definitely someone who receive messages from newbies here might not take it seriously or even think you are really a scammer. Are we fighting with spammy accounts here? There are other ways to deal with it.

Let's come up with solution better than this

My suggestion/solution: - lets attach this message only to first message send. Every next message send to the same user won't have this message attached.

That was attached when I was a newbie.
It goes when you become a Jr Member.
It is just a warning to say that the NEW user account may be an undetected imposter of a mod, staff, hero/senior, admin member account.
There should just be a message attached with a code instead that links to a warning rom a locked thread from Thymos or even just that people should look at the rank of the person and see if they can trust them.

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The only people moaning about this are the newbie scammers because its making their scamming difficult.

Well do you know what I say about that. Fuck them they're not welcome here Angry

.

bill gator

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It's as simple as sticking around for a couple weeks and this heading is removed from your messages. There need not be a solution to something that isn't a problem.

Any newbie worth his salt will not care about this being in their messages and it will be gone extremely soon.

This message has never hurt somebody, but I'm sure it has helped many.

VirosaGITS

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Quote from: techboy2 on November 07, 2015, 10:32:05 AM

I didn't really mind it much initially either. Took some getting used to. But I didn't mind it much. And I don't mind it now. It may be bothersome to some people. And yes, it isn't really needed.

Yes, it is really needed. I am very small time here, only picking up some small deals from time to time, i don't deal in pricy stuff or anything of significant value, yet 4 persons tried directly to scam me. So imagine how bad it is for bigger players.

I also reported a couples of impersonators that were posting in someone else's thread, impersonating the OP, "reducing the price for a quick deal" and giving a BTC address, then also sometime sending PM to the people who had replied to the thread to raise their changes. The warning is here to prevent mostly this.

Its a necessary evil, one that a new account can get rid of quickly and if you are legit, it does not even apply to you, since it merely say "If you were expecting a veteran user, then this is not that person."

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I didn't really mind it much initially either. Took some getting used to. But I didn't mind it much. And I don't mind it now. It may be bothersome to some people. And yes, it isn't really needed.

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Quote from: enhu on October 17, 2015, 04:01:54 AM

thats jsut a warning anyway. i got that message like everyone one here when they're once a newbie.

This!

This is just warning! If someone will take your proposition seriously will be know that this is just information. This warning is not to ruin your life, it is just to inform people that something like this can happen and they should to be careful. Nothing more.

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Quote from: xinzark on October 25, 2015, 05:36:35 AM

Quote from: notlist3d on October 17, 2015, 01:11:17 AM

Quote from: subSTRATA on October 16, 2015, 09:40:15 AM

Quote from: Unstoppable on October 16, 2015, 09:33:55 AM

Quote from: jacee on October 16, 2015, 09:24:02 AM

Quote from: Unstoppable on October 16, 2015, 09:18:42 AM

Hugroll is right, one reminder attached to first message is enough. But if every next message looks like this, you really appear like a scammer to other members.

Get over it bro, it only takes a month to reach jr. member so if you want to remove that warning message, wait until you turn jr.

Chill. If you followed the topic you know I have been here for 2 years. So how does it work? You are tuning into Jr with a time or with an activity where you are actually logged in?

The quickest way I see it is to pass some certain amount of comments/posts.

why is this such a big deal to you?

I would have to agree. You will be out of newbie in not a ton of time. So it's not a lifetime sentence of having that or yes that would be a problem.

Before it there seemed to be a to common of a trend of people creating names like sellers of auctions or goods. They would message people, in a hurry they did not notice was a newbie account and not real person. So they got scammed. It seems like this newbie warning has almost if not gotten rid of this which is awesome.

So it by far does more good then bad.

Yes you are right. That is just like a culture Lil
And that warning won't create a thought in anyone dealing with you like a Scammer. That is just a warning to make them aware that user might not be that what I am expecting.
For example when I bid in Auction I got a message from a user whose username was 'THEYM0S `. Since the username of real username is 'theymos'. So he tried to scam me for 2.1 bitcoin
Here is the link : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12694464

So people just ignore the message when the opposite trader knows he is dealing with a Newbie.
So, it won't affect you and your deals

You might have people prone to slapping a red trust on you if you refuse to prove you own the items you are trying to sell (With a picture + handwritten date/user forum name) or refuse to use escrow or go first.

But if you avoid scammy behavior, you'll definitively be fine.

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Quote from: notlist3d on October 17, 2015, 01:11:17 AM

Quote from: subSTRATA on October 16, 2015, 09:40:15 AM

Quote from: Unstoppable on October 16, 2015, 09:33:55 AM

Quote from: jacee on October 16, 2015, 09:24:02 AM

Quote from: Unstoppable on October 16, 2015, 09:18:42 AM

Hugroll is right, one reminder attached to first message is enough. But if every next message looks like this, you really appear like a scammer to other members.

Get over it bro, it only takes a month to reach jr. member so if you want to remove that warning message, wait until you turn jr.

Chill. If you followed the topic you know I have been here for 2 years. So how does it work? You are tuning into Jr with a time or with an activity where you are actually logged in?

The quickest way I see it is to pass some certain amount of comments/posts.

why is this such a big deal to you?

I would have to agree. You will be out of newbie in not a ton of time. So it's not a lifetime sentence of having that or yes that would be a problem.

Before it there seemed to be a to common of a trend of people creating names like sellers of auctions or goods. They would message people, in a hurry they did not notice was a newbie account and not real person. So they got scammed. It seems like this newbie warning has almost if not gotten rid of this which is awesome.

So it by far does more good then bad.

Yes you are right. That is just like a culture Lil
And that warning won't create a thought in anyone dealing with you like a Scammer. That is just a warning to make them aware that user might not be that what I am expecting.
For example when I bid in Auction I got a message from a user whose username was 'THEYM0S `. Since the username of real username is 'theymos'. So he tried to scam me for 2.1 bitcoin
Here is the link : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12694464

So people just ignore the message when the opposite trader knows he is dealing with a Newbie.
So, it won't affect you and your deals

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Quite necessary, because unfortunately a large majority of Bitcointalk can not work out the difference between a usergroup title and the personal text under your name or even your signature. People generally either have the attention span of a goldfish or are unfortunately too inexperienced to spot these scams, at about a 75/25 split. I'm sure plenty of impostor scams still occur even with that warning.

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