Topic: ShadowCash is mathematically broken. I urge all SDC supporters to join Monero. - page 2. (Read 7970 times)

Shall I still lock the topic?  Or is it still serving a purpose?

Please get your facts straight:

...and Smoothies 

I don't like boy bands, so I don't listen to them--seems to work. Pretty sure you can apply the same technique with threads you don't like.

Amen ... its getting a bit tiring to read.

It's not about kicking somebody when they're down, it's about cutting through the denial/deflection and utilizing the teachable moment.

You started the abrasive stuff; I merely dialed it up until you had enough (never wrestle with a pig... ).

Anyway, apology accepted.  You are welcome to join us on Monero Mountain.  We have ponies, beer, and wine!   

Monero has the most hashpower in Cryptonotes.
Dash has a Masternode pyramid scheme artificially inflating the price

Which system is used more by people? SDC or MONERO?
I'm not person with much technical knowledge.
Why DASH still have much more volume than those two mentioned?

I already did. I see you like kicking an investor while he is down almost as much as the community enjoyed this PR blast. While I appreciate the clarity I still think you all went about it in the most abrasive way possible ("digging in mud" and "flinging crap"). Now you want to keep taunting me or you about ready to move on? Because as an investor, I am about ready to move on.

I do suppose I owe an apology though to iCEBREAKER for calling him a  "punk bitch". Sorry about that. Same goes to AP. I couldn't swing my sword fast enough.

I remember how SDC bastards fudded Stealth Coin when it revealed some weaknesses.

These bastard trolls were led by longandshort.

Now this disgusting SDC community will get fud from XMR !!!

I don't often quote Anonymint, but when I do it's because there is a point to be made, and a lesson to be learned.

So erok, do you want to man up and admit fault, or continue burning what infinitesimal social capital you have left after your previous nattering about "digging in mud" and "flinging crap?"

Pro tip: when a cryptographer of vaunted ability such as Shen Noether tells you your shit is fucked, it's best not to double down by rambling about unrelated nonsense that invokes irrelevant, futile deflection frames such as "children digging in mud" and "people flinging crap."

Because it turns out you are the metaphorical child digging in mud, who (upon being upset by harsh reality) resorted to flinging rhetorical crap.

Learn to know and respect your superiors, then submit to their authority as appropriate.  Or you will be taunted a second time!

You may go now.  You are dismissed.  Good day, sir.

If you read shen's blog post he explained it. He identified the potential flaw first and then looked to see if any coins were implemented in the broken manner. He found one that isn't even a launched coin, more of a proof-of-concept, as well as SDC.

Why waste time in time to prove that a shitcoin that no one cared about , is a shitcoin? OP is a fucking retard too.

Logic you mean. Speculation would be if the title of the thread (ShadowCash is mathematically broken. I urge all SDC supporters to join Monero.) would just be the first sentence and not the second.

If I am not mistaken, Shonoe did say he identified where in Shadowcash's source code it is using the wrong deterministic hash H_p. That is all the proof that is necessary. Those of us who are very knowledgeable about one-time ring sigs can clearly see that if H_p doesn't have the correct properties then the anonymity is toast. Award him the bounty and stop whining. If you offer bounties and then make someone do nonsense extra work, then your bounties are not worth attempting.

As for whether Shadowcash should quit and join Monero or Aeon, what americanpegasus is trying to say is he doesn't think Shadowcash's cryptographer is sufficiently capable and thus Shadowcash can't be relied upon to innovate on anonymity, e.g. Monero is improving by replacing one-time ring sigs with RingCT. Shadowcash made an error when they "reinvented" one-time ring sigs, so it is reasonable to conclude they will make more errors when trying to keep up with Monero's improvements.

I do understand that Shadowcash has innovated in other areas which they may feel provide some alternatives to Monero/Aeon/Boolberry. That is their decision to make and I think americanpegasus should respect their right to flog themselves with a paddle if they so desire.

Bottom line is Zcash is going to replace all this shit any way. And none of the anonymity coins have an significant user level adoption and never will.

I laugh at americanpegasus with his delusion about the coins he is invested in becoming world dominant. The guy has been drinking the KoolAid.

Proof please.

Otherwise your comment is all speculation.

Absolutely untrue.  Let's say that such a bug does render Shadowcash unviable as a privacy-oriented currency.  What's the responsible thing to do?  Again, being secretive or coy is the duplicitous tactic.  The responsible thing to do is announce the situation, and make an open statement of support for the best alternative.  I think that no one can argue that XMR is the best alternative, even if you were 1000% sold on SDC before.  
  
As always, the low road is to selectively disseminate the information.  I saw the topic on the /r/Monero subreddit and realized that gave potential dual-holders of both Monero and ShadowCash an advantage - and we are seeking to be as fair and transparent as possible.  When big news hits, it needs to be disseminated in a loud and transparent manner.  
  
The low road would have been to *not* make the topic, and wait for the news to trickle out on its own.  The low road would have been to take the opportunity to kick SDC or its supporters while they are down.  
  
Instead I have expressed concern over the situation, provided references, and extended an olive branch to our competitors.  It seems you are upset about the situation itself, to which I can definitely empathize with.  I would be upset too, but I would also take prudent action to make sure I stayed on the bleeding edge of money.  
  
We're not talking about tokens going from 50 cents to $8 each on some Litecoin-esque pump.  No, I am talking about a full blown global network and $4,000 tokens... and more.  SDC supporters have made contributions to the art in their own way - they don't deserve to get left behind.  I once was an ardent believer in Dogecoins and Nyancoins, and some kind soul slowly steered me down the right path.  
  
When I was redirected towards Cryptonote, I wasn't angry at the community for having an amazing product - I was just thankful for the chance to participate.  I'm hoping those who are reading this will feel the same.
  

You just used it to try to steal the marketcap. Don't even try to take the high road.

If you find a game breaking bug in Monero, please shout it from the rooftops.  Everyone needs to know - that's how you handle game-breaking bugs. 
 
If the community chooses to continue despite it - or chooses to fix it, that is a course for the community to decide. 
 
But errors and flaws are most malicious and evil when they are selectively shared or kept secret.  Making a lot of noise about it is the *responsible* thing to do because then it forces the issue to either get fixed or the asset reconsidered. 
 
I can assure you that if such an error is found in one of my assets, my response will not be to attack the person who found/spreads the information.  The truth does not fear inquiry and does not mind being challenged.

Proof of concept code has been posted by shen:


BTW, shen has a file with every single ring signature from the chain broken. Anyone can reproduce using the code from his blog.

EDIT: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ShenNoether/Deanon/master/sdcDeAnon.txt